4K Blu-ray content on the horizon?

[Brightstar]

It will take more then ten years for 4K to take off. We have no 4k content and tv's will be very expensive when they come out. The good thing is you can play your 1080p blu rays at 4k

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by joliefan

It will take more then ten years for 4K to take off. We have no 4k content and tv's will be very expensive when they come out. The good thing is you can play your 1080p blu rays at 4k

Doubt it will take that long. It will probably be available WITHIN 10 years from now.
And why do we not have 4k-content? Aren't most films scanned digitally at that resolution?
And thus it would be possible to make 4k-transfers to a disc?...

Also the TVs for that resolution will go though the same situation as any screen, it won't be a problem.
It's all about getting people to buy it...

And I don't know if "playing 1080p at 4k" is a good thing, cause then you're basically saying that upconverting is a good thing.
While there was much ado about upconverting DVD-quality to 1080p...
Yes, 1080p will show less flaws in comparison, but still, it's just not that resolution, so it's not necessarily a "good thing".
It's more of a convenience, a possibility, than anything...

[sonic_debauchery]

A lot of cable companies are still getting channels switched to 1080p from 1080i. They aren't likely to switch all of whatever equipment they need to broadcast in 4K. If they do our rates will jack up.

[lgans316]

I think BDA has to react quick and approve BD-XL or any other higher capacity BD format. First step would be to completely abolish multiple BDs and feature everything in a single disc. Having a superior format and still having to change discs to watch LOTR / Ben Hur is really annoying. Imagine what a single BD-500 can hold.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sonic_debauchery

A lot of cable companies are still getting channels switched to 1080p from 1080i. They aren't likely to switch all of whatever equipment they need to broadcast in 4K. If they do our rates will jack up.

Initially, 4K programming will be offered by an a-la-carte method vis-à-vis download to *connected* TVs as that will not be that difficult. More challenging will be 4K broadcast. However, this will eventually come also, just later. People are already making plans toward that goal….
http://www.thomson-networks.com/news...-2012-nab-show

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I think BDA has to react quick and approve BD-XL or any other higher capacity BD format. First step would be to completely abolish multiple BDs and feature everything in a single disc. Having a superior format and still having to change discs to watch LOTR / Ben Hur is really annoying. Imagine what a single BD-500 can hold.

For some time, some members of the BDA have been thinking about higher capacity discs ( > 50 GB) for movies even before the ‘issue’ of 4K came on the radar, so that *mindset* of movement toward larger capacity discs has some impetus all on its own . The *hurdle* if you will towards implementation, has been at the level of the replicators, as you have to consider all involved parties.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Initially, 4K programming will be offered by an a-la-carte method vis-à-vis download to *connected* TVs as that will not be that difficult. More challenging will be 4K broadcast. However, this will eventually come also, just later. People are already making plans toward that goal….
http://www.thomson-networks.com/news...-2012-nab-show

The biggest problem will be convincing the general public of the need for a higher resolution picture. After so many people have made an investment in today's technology the transition to a higher technology may take a long time to happen. It was difficult convincing the public that Blu-ray was better than DVD. Convincing the public that 4K resolution is better than 2K will be much harder since unless you are sitting very close to the screen or have a projection system it will be very difficult at normal viewing distances to see the increased resolution.

Also, even with the use of better compression, many broadcasters and cable companies would rather be using this for increased content rather than increased resolution. 3D also requires additional bandwidth which would also be a factor in how the additional bandwidth could be utilized.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

The biggest problem will be convincing the general public of the need for a higher resolution picture. After so many people have made an investment in today's technology the transition to a higher technology may take a long time to happen. It was difficult convincing the public that Blu-ray was better than DVD. Convincing the public that 4K resolution is better than 2K will be much harder since unless you are sitting very close to the screen or have a projection system it will be very difficult at normal viewing distances to see the increased resolution....

If you’re concerned about lack of mainstream adoption of 4K as being an impediment to its eventual offering and sustainability, not to worry, for even if it takes long-term planned obsolescence of 1080p displays by consumer electronics companies, 4K will eventually come, sooner or later, and will not go away, until the next technological revolution….and the better serious home theater enthusiasts will be for its arrival, especially those seeking a more immersive experience without viewing *pixel artifacts*.

I think that some of you guys place more value or emphasis on the ‘convincing card’ than what it’s really worth. 4K will evolve into the home naturally in due course with time, yes, quicker, probably with a strong marketing presence, slower, with less marketing involved but, it will still come.

It didn’t take much ‘convincing’ to get Joe6Pack to purchase a 1080p set over a 720p set back in the day….despite the fact that I would wager that a good majority of typical consumers who don’t read A/V forums don’t even sit close enough to their current displays to fully appreciate the difference of 1080p over 720p TVs. At least anecdotal evidence I’ve seen over the years by visiting neighbors’ homes for dinner, etc. clearly bears that fact out. Heck, wasn’t there some Blu-ray movie reviewer of some filmic notoriety, who now fancies himself an expert in everything Blu-ray that was doing movie reviews of high definition packaged media for some time on a 720p display while a lot of other A/V enthusiasts were watching their movies on 1080p sets and wondering why on earth they were reading reviews about DNR and EE by a ‘reviewer’ viewing on a display hamstrung by an inferior resolution.

The important thing is that tech savvy serious videophiles in the U.S. will have a choice of a higher order viewing format in their homes and the knowledge to either adjust their seating positions or display sizes accordingly (like with 720p) in order to take advantage of the newest technology offered and at the same time benefit from a more immersive experience like at your local Multiplex. In Japan, I don’t think much of any ‘convincing’ will be necessary at the 4K Blu-ray software, digital download or streaming launches. Lastly will come broadcast, as you’ve noted.

[Steedeel]

But Penton man, will we have tvs to watch it on. The industry seems to be in a slump. More and more people watching on tablets. Are you confident tv units will still be available 10 years from now when 4k would possibly be mainstream.

[Blu-dock Saint]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But Penton man, will we have tvs to watch it on. The industry seems to be in a slump. More and more people watching on tablets. Are you confident tv units will still be available 10 years from now when 4k would possibly be mainstream.

Not to come off the wrong way but what is up with all your posts on TVs dying today? The market is in a slump for them but its still raking in the cash. As wormraper stated in another thread trends of watching on small mobile devices have come and gone, such as the umd with PSP. I would never give up watching stuff on my 55" and I doubt j6p will any time either. Just my two cents though.

[Nitro67]

Originally Posted by joliefan

It will take more then ten years for 4K to take off. We have no 4k content and tv's will be very expensive when they come out. The good thing is you can play your 1080p blu rays at 4k

Wrong! The first 4k TV has been here since 2010. Panasonic Professional 152" http://panasonic.net/prodisplays/pro...ux1/index.html There is a 4k projectors out now too. LG 84" 4k Plasma is going to be released this summer. There is a few 4k Professional monitors out for computers too. Yes, they are expensive. Sharp 4k ICC LCD TV at CES 2012. This seems interesting, because you can upconvert your to 1080i signal to 4k.

Sharp 4k ICC LCD TV at CES 2012! - YouTube

Actually, you probably see more companies offering 4K movies with Cloud servers and streaming. Here is a cloud server system that is capable of doing 4k, 8K. http://www.storagereview.com/nirvani...nal_geographic
Another company called Onlive also has future plans for 4k content through, their cloud servers. Here is on how fast that I have been able to stream through my wifi connection on my IPAD with Onlive Desktop Plus. Oh, my home connection is Docsis 3.0, but that below is over my wifi connection. Onlive plans movies too. So this is just the beginning.




There is plans to bring out 4k Bluray, but again you need a new player and 4K TV. Direct Tv announced that they have plans for 4k. Oh, eventually, you cable companies will just become big computer networks with Docsis 3.0 and the cloud servers will become the providers. The plans is to start 8K in 2025, so once you get 4k then they do it you again. That is why most of the Japanese companies want to skip 4k resolution.

[saprano]

New PS4 (orbis) rumor says that it supports 4K resolution and launching holiday 2013. Not surprised at all. I knew sony was going to use the PS4 to push 4K into homes just like it did with bluray. Though the rumor only mentions games, im sure it's for movies too.

So if this rumor is true it looks like i'll have 4K in my home sooner than i thought by default.

Im sure a certain person will be happy.

Edit- It says it will support 4096x2160p. The full 4K not QFHD.

[RiseDarthVader]

I highly doubt the PS4 will actually render games at 4K. Even my Core i5 2500K, GTX 570 SLI PC rig would struggle at some games rendering at 2.5K and the PS4 would be using a single GPU. 4K support for movies will be in that's for sure though I wonder if Sony will bother giving the PS3 a firmware update to support 4K or just keep it as a feature only for the PS4 to drive PS4 and 4K adoption.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by saprano

New PS4 (orbis) rumor says that it supports 4K resolution and launching holiday 2013. Not surprised at all. I knew sony was going to use the PS4 to push 4K into homes just like it did with bluray. Though the rumor only mentions games, im sure it's for movies too.

So if this rumor is true it looks like i'll have 4K in my home sooner than i thought by default.

Im sure a certain person will be happy.

Edit- It says it will support 4096x2160p. The full 4K not QFHD.

I've been following the rumors and news from the "gamer"-crowd point-of-view,
and Sony actually stated that they want to have the PS3 lasting for about a decade and won't rush the PS4 out the door.
And I think this is a really good choice, first of all, because it's a very good and enjoyable device.
I also I don't see why it would have to be replaced within even 2 years from now, because it's not really outdated yet.
On top of that, they stated the PS4 would be aimed for release in about 2016.
By this fact alone, and I mean "fact" as in if it would be released in that year,
it's pretty obvious it would have a higher resolution, most likely the next standard.

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

I highly doubt the PS4 will actually render games at 4K. Even my Core i5 2500K, GTX 570 SLI PC rig would struggle at some games rendering at 2.5K and the PS4 would be using a single GPU. 4K support for movies will be in that's for sure though I wonder if Sony will bother giving the PS3 a firmware update to support 4K or just keep it as a feature only for the PS4 to drive PS4 and 4K adoption.

There isn't even a need to point out your computer would struggle with it.
The PlayStation 3 today already struggles with games at 720p.
I don't know why they in fact went with games running at 720p, cause I was kind of disappointed to find out about that years ago.
But it's kind of clear that it struggles in performance, and it would be even heavier on the system if it were in Full HD, being 1080p.
Just imagine the stutters in 'inFamous' and the ultra-low framerates in some or most games.
They would have to cut back on even more settings, even lower level-of-detail, lower resolution textures and all that, to make up for the resolution.
Clearly, they "fixed" this by sacrificing the resolution, so they'd go with the "HD Ready" 720p-resolution and still make games look great.

This is my theory on it, although it's most likely. But I think it's a decent solution, although a little bit of a scam as it's not completely HD.
Oh well, so be it.


That's, by the way, NOT to point out that the PlayStation 4 WOULDN'T support 4k, because it doesn't have to do much with the graphics-chip.
Maybe the games would only be at 1080p on the PS4 and the full-on next HD-standard for video of course.
It would be great if they could do games at that massive resolution, if they could somehow figure out an affordable hardware-setup.
But it's unlikely. In any case, it would definitely fit the marketing; "Watch in 4k on the PS4!"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But Penton man, will we have tvs to watch it on. The industry seems to be in a slump. More and more people watching on tablets. Are you confident tv units will still be available 10 years from now when 4k would possibly be mainstream.

Yes, I’m confident that TVs will still be available in 2022 and I predict that the average size of those sets will be larger than the current average size main unit which is now in consumers’ homes (as of 2012) as well as there being a lower cost per diagonal inch for TVs in 2022 than there is now.

However , I make no predictions as to how much actual concentrated attention some folks < 50 years of age will be giving to the content as exhibited on large screens whether at home, or when they go out …http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...l-media-302921

I think the more interesting and practical question come 2022, is how much of the TV sales market will still belong to Sony Electronics, Sharp, Panasonic, Toshiba and Mitsubishi (Japanese manufacturers) and not pretty much exclusively belong to the Korean manufacturers (LG and Samsung) as well as Chinese manufacturers like TCL, Hisense and Haier.

[Steedeel]

Or Sony, Apple and Amazon with dedicated televisions?

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Or Sony, Apple and Amazon with dedicated televisions?

Dedicated to what?...

I know there is a special PS3-screen...

[RiseDarthVader]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc.

I've been following the rumors and news from the "gamer"-crowd point-of-view,
and Sony actually stated that they want to have the PS3 lasting for about a decade and won't rush the PS4 out the door.
I also I don't see why it would have to be replaced within even 2 years from now, because it's not really outdated yet.
On top of that, they stated the PS4 would be aimed for release in about 2016.

Sony has a 10 year plan for all their consoles including the PS2. What it means is that they will support the console for 10 years not that they will stick with each generation for 10 years. Just look at the PS3 launch and how the PS2 was still selling new games up to last year I think. With their 10 year plan there is overlap between the launch of a new console and end of a old consoles life.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Sony has a 10 year plan for all their consoles including the PS2. What it means is that they will support the console for 10 years not that they will stick with each generation for 10 years. Just look at the PS3 launch and how the PS2 was still selling new games up to last year I think. With their 10 year plan there is overlap between the launch of a new console and end of a old consoles life.

Yes, but I thought they were specifically speaking of having the PS3 stand until about 2016 without having to launch a new system.
Because they basically found it silly to already write it off and make a successor in the very near future.
Which I agree to after everything they've created for and around the PlayStation 3.
It's like they only really got started a couple of years after the whole platform was out.
If they'd "replace" or succeed this thing next year, it's like first building something great and suddenly just leave it and make something else.
Even if they would still support it...

In any way, they were speaking of specific years, and they basically said "No way." to a PS4 launching this or next year.
Because of all the rumors that both Microsoft and Sony would announce a new system last or upcoming E3.
The case will probably be the same again. Microsoft coming out with it first, because they have no patience and insist on instant money.
Cause they will fight over coming out last, to have some sort of advantage,
but Microsoft said they're wanting to come out with the Xbox sooner than later.
And I think both sides are pretty adamant about sticking to their own schedules...

Oh, not to turn this into Microsoft Xbox Vs. Sony PlayStation though.
But I wonder, if the next Xbox would come sooner, if it would then have a new HD-standard.
Cause if the PlayStation will come later, it's pretty clear it wouldn't just carry 1080p,
so the Xbox would have to have the technology built in sooner if they indeed come out earlier.
But in the end, I think the releases of these systems wouldn't be far apart.
Probably a lot of delaying by Microsoft, and who knows, if the PS4 would come out in about 2015/16,
the new Xbox might be a half year to a full year before that.

[saprano]

Yes, but I thought they were specifically speaking of having the PS3 stand until about 2016 without having to launch a new system.

Thats what everybody keeps thinking when sony mentions a 10 year life cycle. Just the like the PS2, what they mean is they will continue to support the PS3 even after the PS4 is released.

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

I highly doubt the PS4 will actually render games at 4K. Even my Core i5 2500K, GTX 570 SLI PC rig would struggle at some games rendering at 2.5K and the PS4 would be using a single GPU. 4K support for movies will be in that's for sure though I wonder if Sony will bother giving the PS3 a firmware update to support 4K or just keep it as a feature only for the PS4 to drive PS4 and 4K adoption.

I think with some compromises it can be done. 30fps instead of 60, small PSN titles etc. Wipout is one of the few games on PS3 thats native 1080p. I think it's going to be the same with PS4 where only certain games are 4K. Sony's first party studios will no doubt have a couple 4K games releases.

But i think what sony is doing is, once again, future proofing the system. Not to mention it gives them an advantage of being the only console with 4K resolution.