8K discussion thread

[JohnAV]

Samsung LCD TV panel orders up for grabs
Rebecca Kuo, Tainan; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES Monday 20 April 2020

LCD panel makers in China and Taiwan are expected to gear up efforts to grab TV panel orders to be released by Samsung Electronics after its associate company Samsung Displays stops producing LCD panels, according to industry sources.

Samsung Display has decided to terminate production of LCD panels at its plants in Korea and China by year-end 2020, as it moves to accelerate developing high-margin QLED panels, said the sources.

However, Samsung Display will remain the largest supplier of LCD TV panels to Samsung Electronics in 2020, with its shipments likely to reach 10 million units, supporting the vendor's goal of delivering up to 46 million TVs worldwide in the year, the sources indicated.

To mitigate its production risks, Samsung Electronics is likely to buy TV panels from multiple sources after 2020, mainly panel makers in China and Taiwan, the sources added.

China Star Optoelectronics Technology (CSOT), a subsidiary of TCL, has a good chance to grab more windfall orders from the Korean TV vendor as it holds a 10% stake in an 8.5G joint venture currently operated by Samsung Display in Suzhou, China, noted the sources.

Samsung Display holds a majority 60% share in the joint venture and the city government of Suzhou has 30%. Samsung Display has recently resumed talks for selling its stake to CSOT after previous discussions for such a deal were suspended due to unspecified reasons, the sources said.

Meanwhile, Taiwan-based AU Optronics (AUO) is expected to be able enhancing its business relationships with Samsung Electronics, having supplied high-end TV panels such as 4K, curved and bezel-less 8K models to the Korean TV vendor for years, commented the sources.

Cooperation between AUO and Samsung will continue to focus on high-end and slim-type models due to capacity constraints at AUO, said the sources.

[Lee A Stewart]

Flat Panel Display Market Set for Unprecedented 11.1 Percent Decline in 2020

Global unit shipments of flat-panel displays (FPD) are expected to plunge by 11.1 percent in 2020 as the coronavirus crisis cripples demand for televisions and smartphones, according to Omdia.

FPD shipments are set to total 3.2 billion units in 2020, down from 3.6 billion in 2019. The market has been undergoing low-single-digit increases and decreases since the financial crisis in the second half of 2008 caused shipments to drop by 8.8 percent in 2009. However, the double-digit drop this year represents an unprecedented rate of decline, as reported by Omdia’s Display Long-term Demand Forecast Tracker.

https://displaydaily.com/article/pre...ecline-in-2020

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

8K Ecosystem Is Ready For Implementation

Nice chose of words, implementation is defined as the process of putting a decision or plan into effect. Take for example this paragraph.

We’ve accepted the growth of the file sizes and developed products in anticipation of that need,” said Bob Caniglia, Blackmagic Design’s director of sales operations for North America, who points out that they offer existing products that can record and playback 8K and switch live with a 10-input 8K switcher, as well as monitoring devices to convert quad 12-gig SDI to quad HDMI to feed 8K HDMI displays.

Note the necessity to use quad HDMI to feed 8K displays? That reminds one of the earlier methods for driving 8k computer monitors, if you recall 4 GPU's. Thats not a real indication of progress in that area. Commercially we need to a advancement with GPU technology where a single card is performing this task along with a single cable in order for it to be used commercially before consumers. One only needs to look at the YouTube videos of someone driving a 8K game monitor came with a very elaborate CPU with GPU's. We'll eventually get there, but this is a lot more challenging then 4K.

“The tools to ingest, process, edit, color, composite and the rest are in place right now,” he said. “The only issues involve the upgrade in storage and bandwidth, and those become less constraining as the technology improves.

Yes I think this industry has already becoming well honed to 8K production with the edition bandwidth/storage requirements.

Its the transportation keystone architecture between that content and commercial cinemas that is the next hurdle. Not a great big satellite fed system with multiple GPU's fed with 4 or more interface cables going to a 8K display to show the ecosystem is actually ready for implementation.

As Captain Picard use to say "make it so!"

[JohnAV]

8K Media Player Eliminates Need for Large PC-Based System - Digital Signage Connection 4/10/2020

The Socionext “s8” is a world-leading compact, lightweight and low-power media player that performs local media playback/cloud distribution of 8K at 60p (HEVC) content in real time. Additionally, it supports Android OS and major network protocols such as HLS, UDP, and TCP. The “s8” measures at a compact 16 inches wide by 2.3 inches tall, weighs just 5.3 pounds, and operates at 50W. It surpasses the competition in its small size, low weight, and reduced power usage.
BACKGROUND
The Socionext “s8” is designed to run on the widely supported, easily deployable Android OS and allows for Gb Ethernet or USB 3.0/2.0 input with up to 4 x HDMI 2.0 output. It features simple content management including scheduling, status check, and content upload with play, pause and stop control functions.

CHALLENGES
Most digital media and DOOH content distributors may have just recently upgraded to a 4K TV or monitor, but 8K video is already making significant headway in applications where having the highest resolution possible is essential. The problem is, there have not been any good production-ready and easy-to-use 8K decoding solutions available. This is why the company has introduced the Socionext “s8” 8K media player.

SOLUTIONS
The “s8” can perform local media playback/cloud distribution of 8K/60p (HEVC) content and display 8K content on four 4K monitors and one 8K monitor. It features rich 8K content playback function for content saved in USB memory, and cloud distribution of content over Ethernet. It is also extremely easy to use with intuitive set-up features. The plug-and-play “s8” 8K media player is available for white-label use in a wide range of applications including DOOH, entertainment and other retail applications; large-format digital displays and signage, 8K content display and post production. Additionally, Socionext offers a companion converter box “s8-c21” with 4 x HDMI 2.0 input to 1 x HDMI 2.1 output for connection from the “s8” 8K media player. The s8-c21 is the only transmitter product on the market capable of achieving this and offers a unique solution/workflow for production and post production in 8K.

Earlier CES demo, they are based in Sunnyvale, CA

DSE 2019 APEX Awards - s8 8K Media Player - YouTube

[JohnAV]

Now for the naysayers article of the day, there is always one

8K cameras are coming. No, you don’t need one - Digital Trends

When Canon unveiled more details about its upcoming EOS R5 mirrorless camera today, it touted an over-the-top 8K video mode. I expect the R5 will be an impressive camera that may just shoot Canon’s EOS R series ahead of Nikon, Sony, and Panasonic in the full-frame mirrorless game, but Canon has yet to detail its still-photo capabilities. Instead, all attention is focused on that buzzworthy term, 8K.

It’s all hype.

Yes, the R5 is a professional camera, but its arrival will usher in a new era for video content. It won’t be long before Costco and Walmart are lining shelves with lower-tier models emblazoned with an 8K logo.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not anti-8K. I think there’s a place for 8K displays. These displays, when combined with HDR (high dynamic range), would make an excellent medium for displaying photographs — perhaps even better than print.

I just don’t think that an 8K video camera makes a lot of sense. Not for the average person, and not even the average professional videographer.

I just think that we are becoming pretty close that the average photography enthusiast is being misrepresented in this bias opinion from Daven Mathies.

The argument against really falls down to 8K ecosystem is not here, because of that there is no need for consumer 8K camera. But folks you have to start somewhere not sit on your thumbs if you can afford to experiment with this technology very shortly instead of dragging those big Red Digital cameras around.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Samsung LCD TV panel orders up for grabs
Rebecca Kuo, Tainan; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES Monday 20 April 2020

LCD panel makers in China and Taiwan are expected to gear up efforts to grab TV panel orders to be released by Samsung Electronics after its associate company Samsung Displays stops producing LCD panels, according to industry sources.

Samsung Display has decided to terminate production of LCD panels at its plants in Korea and China by year-end 2020, as it moves to accelerate developing high-margin QLED panels, said the sources.

However, Samsung Display will remain the largest supplier of LCD TV panels to Samsung Electronics in 2020, with its shipments likely to reach 10 million units, supporting the vendor's goal of delivering up to 46 million TVs worldwide in the year, the sources indicated.

To mitigate its production risks, Samsung Electronics is likely to buy TV panels from multiple sources after 2020, mainly panel makers in China and Taiwan, the sources added.

China Star Optoelectronics Technology (CSOT), a subsidiary of TCL, has a good chance to grab more windfall orders from the Korean TV vendor as it holds a 10% stake in an 8.5G joint venture currently operated by Samsung Display in Suzhou, China, noted the sources.

Samsung Display holds a majority 60% share in the joint venture and the city government of Suzhou has 30%. Samsung Display has recently resumed talks for selling its stake to CSOT after previous discussions for such a deal were suspended due to unspecified reasons, the sources said.

Meanwhile, Taiwan-based AU Optronics (AUO) is expected to be able enhancing its business relationships with Samsung Electronics, having supplied high-end TV panels such as 4K, curved and bezel-less 8K models to the Korean TV vendor for years, commented the sources.

Cooperation between AUO and Samsung will continue to focus on high-end and slim-type models due to capacity constraints at AUO, said the sources.

But a "QLED" TV is just an LCD TV with a quantum dot backlight, Samsung have always been the kings of this kind of marketing bullshit

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But a "QLED" TV is just an LCD TV with a quantum dot backlight, Samsung have always been the kings of this kind of
marketing bullshit

= disinformation, corporate speak

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But a "QLED" TV is just an LCD TV with a quantum dot backlight, Samsung have always been the kings of this kind of marketing bullshit

Yes I tend to not differentiate between the two (LCD vs QLED), only that note Samsung is seeking higher margins and looking for multiple sources, which says profits and manufacturing in China have hurt them Geoff.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Yes I tend to not differentiate between the two (LCD vs QLED), only that note Samsung is seeking higher margins and looking for multiple sources, which says profits and manufacturing in China have hurt them Geoff.

My issue wasn't with you or the article itself, just the whiff of Samsung's usual BS.

[JohnAV]

NABWeek 2020: Canon EOS R5 to offer internal 10-bit 4:2:2 8K video recording - VideoMaker 4/20/2020

Today, Canon revealed more specs regarding the highly anticipated EOS R5 mirrorless camera. This includes confirmation that the camera will record 10-bit 4:2:2 8K internally.

While the camera hasn’t been released yet, it’s already getting us excited. For a while, Canon has been teasing everyone with spec announcements. It’s been hard waiting to find out what they had in store for the EOS R5. However, it seems like it was worth the wait.

EOS R5 will shoot 8K video with few drawbacks

According to the company’s Virtual Press Conference, Canon has confirmed the EOS R5 will be an 8K mirrorless camera. Along with that, the camera will offer 10-bit 4:2:2 internal recording. In-body image stabilization is included, and the camera will shoot 8K video at 29.97fps with the full width of the sensor. In addition to all that, the EOS R5 will feature Dual Pixel autofocus in all video modes and frame-rates.

Photo shooting

Now, we just laid out a lot of impressive video features, but the EOS R5 isn’t just a video camera. It’s got some great photo-taking abilities as well. The R5 will have next-gen autofocus, including Animal AF that will detect and track dogs, cats and birds.

All the new specs announced

• 8K RAW internal video recording up to 29.97 fps
• 8K internal video recording up to 29.97 fps in 4:2:2 10-bit Canon Log (H.265)/4:2:2 10-bit HDR PQ (H.265)
• 4K internal video recording up to 119.88 fps in 4:2:2 10-bit Canon Log (H.265)/4:2:2 10-bit HDR PQ (H.265). 4K external recording is also available up to 59.94 fps
• EOS R5 sports no crop 8K and 4K video capture using the full-width of the sensor
• Dual Pixel CMOS AF available in all 8K and 4K recording modes
• Canon Log available in 8K and 4K internal recording modes
• The EOS R5 will feature 5-axis In-Body Image Stabilization, which works in conjunction with Optical IS equipped with many of the RF and EF lenses
• Dual-card slots: 1x CFexpress and 1x SD UHS-II

Pricing and availability

Currently, the Canon EOS R5 is still in development. We don’t have a price or a release date yet. Currently, the camera is expected to be fully revealed sometime this summer. We’re just going to have to wait and see when the camera will be released and how much it’ll cost.

[Lee A Stewart]

Fujinon develops two 8K broadcast zoom lenses

Recording 8K video, which has four times the resolution of 4K/UHD, requires lenses with an exceptionally advanced optical performance. The 66x zoom of Fujinon’s HP66x15.2-ESM box lens is the highest zoom magnification on any 8K lens so far; it is due to be released in the summer of 2020.

The smaller Fujinon HP12x7.6ERD-S9 offers a focal length range from a wide angle of 7.6mm to 91mm in telephoto and should start deliveries in the autumn.

According to Fujifilm, the ultra-high resolution of the 8K lenses “is combined with vivid colour reproduction and high contrast to produce rich tonal gradation in high dynamic range (HDR)”. Both lenses can be used with the focus position demand unit Fujinon EPD-51A-D02/F03, released in March this year, to achieve precise focusing. The combination should simplify shooting 8K video, which demands an advanced level of focusing precision.

https://www.ibc.org/create-and-produ...s/5794.article

[JohnAV]

VESA Releases Updated DisplayPort™ Alt Mode Spec to Bring DisplayPort 2.0 Performance to USB4™ and New USB Type-C® Devices - CISION PRPResswire. 4/29/2020

"DisplayPort Alt Mode version 2.0 enables all of the latest capabilities of DisplayPort through the USB Type-C connector, including beyond-8K resolution and higher refresh rates, along with USB data delivery"

SAN JOSE, Calif., April 29, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- The Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA®) today announced that it has released version 2.0 of the DisplayPort™ Alternate Mode ("Alt Mode") standard. DisplayPort Alt Mode 2.0 provides seamless interoperability with the new USB4™ specification published by the USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF), and fully enables all of the features in the latest version of the DisplayPort standard (version 2.0) through the USB Type-C® (USB-C) connector. With DisplayPort Alt Mode, the USB-C connector can transmit up to 80 Gigabits per second (Gbps) of DisplayPort video data utilizing all four high-speed lanes in the cable, or up to 40 Gbps with simultaneous SuperSpeed USB data delivery. VESA anticipates first products incorporating DisplayPort Alt Mode 2.0 to appear on the market in 2021.

DisplayPort 2.0, which was introduced in June 2019, provides up to a 3X increase in data bandwidth performance compared to the previous version of DisplayPort, as well as new capabilities to address future performance requirements of displays. These include beyond-8K resolutions, higher refresh rates and high dynamic range (HDR) support at higher resolutions, improved support for multiple display configurations, as well as improved user experience with augmented/virtual (AR/VR) displays, including support for 4K-and-beyond VR resolutions. Featuring the highly efficient 128b/132b channel coding shared with USB4, DisplayPort 2.0 delivers a maximum payload of 77.37 Gbps across four lanes (up to 19.34 Gbps per lane)—supporting ultra-high display performance configurations such as an 8K (7680x4320) display with 60 Hz refresh rate with full-color 30 bpp 4:4:4 HDR resolution uncompressed, and 16K (15360x8460) 60 Hz display with 30 bpp 4:4:4 HDR resolution with compression. With the release of DisplayPort Alt Mode 2.0, all of these high-performance video capabilities are now available to the USB ecosystem.

[JohnAV]

UHD HDR round up: 4K and 8K advance despite coronavirus setbacks - IBC.org 4/29/2020

In fact, 8K is gaining ground as an acquisition format for high-end TV series and films. Season 2 of Amazon Prime’s psychological drama Homecoming and season 4 of Netflix runaway hit Money Heist were shot at 8K and 7K respectively for a variety of creative reasons. Mank, a feature biopic of the co-writer of iconic film Citizen Kane from director David Fincher is also shot in 8K and in black and white. The Eddy, a Netflix musical drama from La La Land director Damien Chazelle shot most of its episodes with the Red Helium 8K sensor, cropped to mimic capture on S16mm.

Producers can’t sell productions delivered in less than 4K to Netflix and it stands to reason that Netflix will be among the first streamers to offer an 8K option. When it does, it will have a catalogue of 8K material in the bank.

6K is the new 4K
While 8K is still exotic, there is a trend toward shooting at resolutions beyond 4K for high end documentary and cine work. The additional data again providing scope to post-manipulate the image but still deliver in UHD.

Among cameras offering this are the EOS C500 Mark II (5.9K); Sony’s PXW-FX9 XDCAM which boasts a 6K full-frame sensor plus colour science inherited from the Venice camera; Blackmagic Design’s 6K, S35-sized sensor version of its Pocket Cinema Camera which allows users to fit EF lenses without the need for a converter; and Panasonic’s Lumix S1H full-frame mirrorless camera.

8K post production
Productions need the flexibility to work with and combine content spanning a range of resolutions as well as both HDR and SDR ranging from HD SDR to 8K HDR, and everything in between.

“There’s a misconception that 8K is vastly more expensive than it actually is,” says AJA director of product marketing, Bryce Button. “Generally, moving to 8K is an incremental cost, especially if you’re already working in 4K or have worked in stereo 3D. The biggest expense often comes with storage and moving large volumes of data, but the strides made by the industry to support 4K and S3D have provided a strong foundation to support the data needs that 8K workflows require.”

[Robert Zohn]

Just received our first allocation of Samsung's Q900T 8K TV! We'll be calibrating this beauty to peak its performance in every picture quality attribute.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Just received our first allocation of Samsung's Q900T 8K TV! We'll be calibrating this beauty to peak its performance in every picture quality attribute.

Don’t forget the magnifying glass to examine CM.

[Gillietalls]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Just received our first allocation of Samsung's Q900T 8K TV! We'll be calibrating this beauty to peak its performance in every picture quality attribute.

This 85 inch is on my shortlist. Can’t wait to hear your impressions.

[Robert Zohn]

Here's a pic with the Q900T setup in our showroom. This pic was taken when we powered it on with the protective plastic on the screen. It passed our initial q/c and it's now in our calibration lab for the break-in process and final q/c.

[Gillietalls]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Here's a pic with the Q900T setup in our showroom. This pic was taken when we powered it on with the protective plastic on the screen. It passed our initial q/c and it's now in our calibration lab for the break-in process and final q/c.

Are you able to confirm that 8K YouTube is working?

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1588919283

[JohnAV]

Reminder don't reply with another posters large images.

YouTube now streaming 8K video on 8K TVs with AV1 support - FlatPanesl HD 5/8/2020

YouTube 8K on 8K TVs
YouTube has flipped the switch on not only AV1 streaming for TVs but also 8K streaming via AV1. It means that you can now enjoy YouTube's 8K videos on compatible 8K TVs.

LG and Samsung's 2020 8K models are the first TVs to support AV1 hardware decoding. Below you see YouTube 8K (60fps) streaming to an LG 2020 8K LCD TV (NANO95 range). Yesterday, TCL said that its new X915 8K TV will also support YouTube 8K via AV1 but that an update to Android 10 (scheduled for later this year) will be required to enable it. Philips has told FlatpanelsHD that it is committed to AV1, too.

What is AV1? It is the new royalty-free video codec and format developed by the Alliance for Open Media, which unites heavyweights like Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Intel, Netflix, LG, Microsoft, Netflix, and Samsung. AV1 has the potential to bring 4K HDR to far more devices and streaming services. At CES 2020 in January, YouTube confirmed that AV1 support is required to stream 8K videos on 8K TVs, even though its 8K videos are available through PC browsers in other formats.

YouTube is the first major streaming provider to offer video in 8K on 8K TVs. There is a good selection of showcase and user-generated videos available but no movies or TV shows. No major subscription streaming services like Amazon Prime or Netflix have announced plans to offer content in 8K.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

UHD HDR round up: 4K and 8K advance despite coronavirus setbacks - IBC.org 4/29/2020

Shooting in 8K has been ongoing for a while (Guardians of the Galaxy 2 was shot on 8K RED) but sooooooo doesn't mean the same thing as having a "catalogue of 8K material in the bank". Even when Fincher shoots in x resolution he doesn't finished to the same resolution because of all the repositioning and split-screening that he does in post. And mentioning something shot in 8K but finished out using a S16-sized part of the sensor is just