8K discussion thread

[Wummyhulk]

It's going to be years before they give us 8K video discs that will be twice as crystal clear as 4K. Think about it, we had VHS tapes, then Laserdiscs, then DVDs, then Standard Blu-rays, and now we have 4K UHD, it's only a matter of time before we get movies and shows on 8K discs.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wummyhulk

It's going to be years before they give us 8K video discs that will be twice as crystal clear as 4K. Think about it, we had VHS tapes, then Laserdiscs, then DVDs, then Standard Blu-rays, and now we have 4K UHD, it's only a matter of time before we get movies and shows on 8K discs.

That's not a foregone conclusion. Each time they introduced a new disc after DVD sales dropped. It just won't make financial sense to release an 8K disc.

Enjoy 4K UHD BDs - that will be the last disc format we see.

[danny24]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That's not a foregone conclusion. Each time they introduced a new disc after DVD sales dropped. It just won't make financial sense to release an 8K disc.

Enjoy 4K UHD BDs - that will be the last disc format we see.

Yeah it seems likely 4K UHD is the last consumer disc format we will see. However I saw someplace they have a 1tb disc done that can be sold for $5 a piece. There could be potential with that with consumers to be able to save 1tb of data on a disc. It might not start a new disc format but it could reignite PC drive sales if they release a drive and discs commercially. Supposedly that disc has 16 layers so current drives and players today would likely freeze loading a disc that size. Still if you can record 1tb of data on a disc that is going to spark interest for consumers unless it's a write once format.

[LexInHD]

New riffs on high-capacity disc designs are nothing new and plenty surfaced during the heyday of video media on DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray. The Blu-Ray format in particular had a bunch that were developed by the big names in optical media that weren't directly Sony or Panasonic affiliated, all promising significant capacity boosts over the current physical design for BD, and none of them got traction because of Sony and Panasonic's monopoly on disc tech and replication. Some would have only required a drive firmware update (optical pick-up adjustment) to work with existing players.

[Lee A Stewart]

Pioneer Develops World's First 16-Layer Optical Disc

JULY 7, 2008

Pioneer Corporation has succeeded in developing a 16-layer read-only optical disc with a capacity of 400 gigabytes for the first time in the world.

https://phys.org/news/2008-07-world-...ical-disc.html

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Wummyhulk

It's going to be years before they give us 8K video discs that will be twice as crystal clear as 4K. Think about it, we had VHS tapes, then Laserdiscs, then DVDs, then Standard Blu-rays, and now we have 4K UHD, it's only a matter of time before we get movies and shows on 8K discs.

There will be no 8K disc.

[lgans316]

I am sure we will slowly start seeing 8K streaming but on disc it might be virtually impossible and it better stay that way as can't imagine my 4K disc pile getting worthless like most of the BDs.

[Geoff D]

8K content? For sure. 8K disc? Nope.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I am sure we will slowly start seeing 8K streaming but on disc it might be virtually impossible and it better stay that way as can't imagine my 4K disc pile getting worthless like most of the BDs.

BDs are hardly worthless because, there are still hundreds of movies on Blu-ray that's not released on 4K UHD as yet, and probably won't be for a very long time, if at all.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by slimdude

BDs are hardly worthless because, there are still hundreds of movies on Blu-ray that's not released on 4K UHD as yet, and probably won't be for a very long time, if at all.

That's fine but let's be honest. You are talking about a sect few. I am going by own experience. YMMV

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by slimdude

BDs are hardly worthless because, there are still hundreds of movies on Blu-ray that's not released on 4K UHD as yet, and probably won't be for a very long time, if at all.

If anything, we're at a point where BD releases could increase dramatically, due to replication costs decreasing significantly and the push to create HD/4K masters of old film-based content for streaming use. There's still a healthy market for HDTV sales - with a push to start making medium-sized models again - and cheap BD players aren't hard to come by, as far as Sony and Samsung models go.

[smoothbutter]

I think there will be eventually be 8k discs, but instead of it being a thing in 2026, it could be 2030/2031..... I think the people here saying there is no chance seems way too dramatic

[LexInHD]

If there is an 8K format, it could very well be solid-state based and not optical disc. The low cost of such memory media in comparative storage sizes to standard optical discs and the superior medium performance make it a very attractive potential successor to optical disc media.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

If anything, we're at a point where BD releases could increase dramatically, due to replication costs decreasing significantly and the push to create HD/4K masters of old film-based content for streaming use. There's still a healthy market for HDTV sales - with a push to start making medium-sized models again - and cheap BD players aren't hard to come by, as far as Sony and Samsung models go.

Where are you getting your information from?

HDTVs are available - in less than 50" sizes. Most are in the 32" size. There is no push for medium sizes because TV OEMs work on Economies Of Scale. It's cheaper to make all sizes of 4KTVs then it is to make HDTV and 4KTVS at the same factory.

I haven't found a BD player for less than $50. DVD players - half that.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

If there is an 8K format, it could very well be solid-state based and not optical disc. The low cost of such memory media in comparative storage sizes to standard optical discs and the superior medium performance make it a very attractive potential successor to optical disc media.

Do they cost a dollar or less? How long does it take to make 500,000 of a single movie?

BTW - they talked about SSD a long time ago for movies and TV shows. It didn't happen when optical media sales were over $20 billion a year. It sure as hell ain't going to appear with yearly sales of less than $2 billion.

[rachaeldeckard]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Thanks for sharing this! It gave me something unexpected when I played it on my Chromecast w/GTV. It's the first YouTube video I've ever seen with a 5.1 soundtrack. Sure, you can rent or buy actual movies on there that have 5.1. But I've never seen a free video on there with 5.1.

There are a few 5.1 videos but they are hard to find. Most are mislabeled often intentionally. Same with 8K videos.

[nick4Knight]

If we grant the below prediction was right that would be 15 years between the start of 4K and the beginning of 8K. Factoring the same title penetration of 1000+ we have today in 6 years of the niche format, would take until about 2036/37 to reach at the same pace. And we know it won't be at the same pace... It's always slower. So nearing 2040 to get 1000 titles on 8K?

That's 18 years to get to the same point as we are today. And they'll all merely be upscales of current gen 4K scans to 8K. With what benefit other than resolution? All of them 12 bit native? 16 bit supersampled?

See this is why getting BETTER specs in 4K as a follow-up format would be preferable. Always.

Originally Posted by smoothbutter

I think there will be eventually be 8k discs, but instead of it being a thing in 2026, it could be 2030/2031..... I think the people here saying there is no chance seems way too dramatic

I don't think anyone is saying there is NO chance. But that there is no signs that we're used to needing to see to view a realistic pathway to it eventuating. Therefore temper expectation is just a smart frame of mind.

And with Hollywood CGI still being produced at 2K I don't know how big budget mainstream movies could ever get to being "mastered" in 8K within 10 years. Yes the streamers are cranking out 4K masters regularly as mandated standards but that won't drive 8K adoption if it needs to be upscaled. And they want exclusivity on those. They don't release on physical media and when they do it's in Blu-ray disc 1080p Lol

Face it. It looks bleak for physical media beyond 4K UHD. I think the digital space is 10x more likely to yield the next "format".

[Lee A Stewart]

Here's what happened at IFA 2022, the CES of Europe:

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1662465782

Notice it's ALL 4K. No 8K at all. That gives you a hint at how 8K is doing . . . nobody is buying 8k TVs so the TV OEMS have to make all their improvements to their 4K TV lines because that's what people are buying.

And you can believe that inflation didn't help the adoption of 8K TVs at all. They can't lower 8K TV prices because they have nothing to replace 8K with. So they raise the price of 4K TVs and add a bunch of "improvements" making their margins there.

Put $50 worth of improvements and raise the price $300. Nice added margin.

[mkozlows]

I think even more than the general lack of 8K, it's noteworthy that it's 4K on gigantic TVs with solid five-figure prices. If 8K were going to be successful, by now TVs like this would be 8K as a matter of course -- nobody would even consider making a $25-30K 4K TV, because everyone with that kind of money would be salivating for the latest and greatest. But instead, everyone views 8K as a gimmick, and even at megabuck prices, don't care about it. It's probably true that peak 8K was two years ago, and it's just downhill from here.

Related: I was reading this CNET article, which gives a pretty good take on why you shouldn't buy an 8K TV right now, and the absolute most damning point is at the very end: "Update, March 14, 2022: This article was first published in 2018 and is regularly updated with new info."

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There will be no 8K disc.

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