Indiana Jones 5

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

My father taught Army ROTC at a major university a few years ago and most of the students in his classes hadn't seen The Godfather films, Indiana Jones, Jaws or Star Wars. They are out there.

Yeah, I just hate it when those despicable youngsters haven’t seen the same things as me, especially the more time passes by.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by wonderer99

Gemini man either looked incredible or like ass. The last scene looked especially like a fat bag of ass. I will be eternally grateful to that film for making me a fan of HFR however.

Terminator Dark Fate is the current wow factor holder for deaging effects for me.

That last scene in Gemini is so conspicuously awful that it must've been a pick-up, a last minute addition that meant they had to rush it through. The rest of him in that movie is, IMO, astonishingly good.

I love the work in the Dark Fate prologue too but it's only for a few scant minutes of screen time, less than that even, so while it's excellent we don't know how it would've held up had they needed to properly act their way through a scene. But yeah, it follows the same kind of technique as Gemini: paste a digital head onto a body (in this case stand-ins whereas Junior was always being played by Will, apart from stunt scenes etc) rather than taking the actual actor and de-ageing them.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Yeah, I just hate it when those despicable youngsters haven’t seen the same things as me, especially the more time passes by.

I don't hate it. I just don't understand what a 20 year old would consider to be a "classic" film or even remotely want to get into film if it weren't for, by and large, 1965-1995.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

My father taught Army ROTC at a major university a few years ago and most of the students in his classes hadn't seen The Godfather films, Indiana Jones, Jaws or Star Wars. They are out there.

good lord [face palm]

[HillSprinter]

Gemini looked way weirder than Irishman.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

Do that, and you're essentially making an animated movie. Just re-cast the role if Ford is too old (and he is). We've had six 007s, and we've already had three "young" Indys and one "old" one that Ford is older than right now.

Originally Posted by levcore

A whole movie of head replacement during anything physical would probably end up looking pretty horrible.

Maybe they should Gemini Man it and just go fully CG for Indy. Seriously that is how ridiculous this late in the day project is.

Wasn't advocating they do it for an entire movie. But for a flashback or some of the more intense stuntwork that Ford simply can't do, there are options to do a CG head/human double rather than a full CG replacement.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not sure anyone anyone's "pretending" that the stuff in Irishman is all diabolically awful, it's that for all the hype and hoopla it's still blatantly a load of septuagenarians creaking about with their turkey necks digitally taken in and for me it just doesn't work. If I liked the movie more then I'm sure I could look past it, but I don't so I can't.

And I don't care how much ILM tout their new witness camera system that doesn't require a load of mocap gear on the performers because they got their virtual asses handed to them by what Weta did with Will Smith on Gemini Man: full CG head replacement using the original mo-capped performer as reference and the result is astonishingly good. Not all the way perfect in every shot but it massacres what ILM did on Irishman, especially that quick WWII insert of De Niro which really does look like shite.

Obviously that was for a fairly small role as Junior in a 2hr movie rather than having to de-age three performers across a 3½ hour movie (although they had quintuple-double the workload as they had to animate Junior in 120fps 3D) but even so, that's the way forward for stuff like this and if ILM were to get it to that sort of quality for Indy 5 - I could totally see them doing the opening teaser in a de-aged stylee - then I'm game.

Honestly, ILM deserves all the credit in the world for working with Scorsese and the cast's mandate that they not have tracking dots. That they were able to make it look as good as it does is astonishing, small warts and all. I don't get the infatuation with the deepfake stuff; you can't just replace the entire performance with work that the actor did decades earlier. They still need to give a new, organic performance and then ILM has to work that.

But yeah, agreed that Junior fared better, except for that last scene (which we both seem to agree was a pickup, because I remember noting the same thing on opening night (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=302)). Harrison Ford may not have Will Smith's physicality but he should be more spry than any of the Irish Men, so that'd probably be the better option.

Again, in a limited capacity. Not saying I want an entire movie of de-aged/tweaked Ford-as-Indy. But for a flashback or some of the more elaborate stuntwork.

[Gbpxl]

hearing about all this de-aging crap really makes me yearn for a return to the days of films that didnt have CGI. i mean dont get me wrong, Jurassic Park was a masterpiece... but it was a film about living dinosaurs. is Hollywood so hard up for actors that they need to use geriatric actors and digitally alter them to appear younger? thats just pathetic. give some younger actors a chance

[aiman04]

Yeah, all films today full of de-aged old actors. The young actors are begging for work now.

Anyway, I hope Spielberg can make this as a tribute to his old pal somehow.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Gbpxl

hearing about all this de-aging crap really makes me yearn for a return to the days of films that didnt have CGI.

Maybe if Hollywood had an original idea up its ass they wouldn't have to de-age the actors we still care about to have them in the only characters movie audiences still relate to.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Gbpxl

hearing about all this de-aging crap really makes me yearn for a return to the days of films that didnt have CGI. i mean dont get me wrong, Jurassic Park was a masterpiece... but it was a film about living dinosaurs. is Hollywood so hard up for actors that they need to use geriatric actors and digitally alter them to appear younger? thats just pathetic. give some younger actors a chance

As a wise man once said:

"Stop the exploitation of animals and respect all lives, no matter their race, gender, age, species, appearance, or origin."

[Gbpxl]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As a wise man once said:

"Stop the exploitation of animals and respect all lives, no matter their race, gender, age, species, appearance, or origin."

Digitally altering their appearance is more disrespectful to the elderly than any of my criticism leveled at it is.

[IndyMLVC]

Harrison was on Ellen today.

The story has now changed.

She asked him about filming and he now says they start "late summer."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORIX...youtu.be&t=434

Starts at 7:13

[aiman04]

Next week: Early 2021.

[IndyMLVC]

Now it's scheduling issues with the cast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uofd...ature=youtu.be

(3:45)

And he wants this to be the best Indiana Jones movie.

[HillSprinter]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Harrison was on Ellen today.

The story has now changed.

She asked him about filming and he now says they start "late summer."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORIX...youtu.be&t=434

Starts at 7:13

From his words in combination with his gesticulations, I’m inferring he means it starts filming in the “summer” and will continue filming into “late summer”.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Now it's scheduling issues with the cast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uofd...ature=youtu.be

(3:45)

And he wants this to be the best Indiana Jones movie.

It was only funny the first 843 times you shared that.

[aiman04]

They've finished casting already?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

It was only funny the first 843 times you shared that.

My friends and I actually say it out loud in regular everyday speak.

[levcore]

The days must just fly by

[Star Lord]

Originally Posted by TheWildWhelk

This franchise is over with Crystal Skull. They have said they aren't going to re-cast Indy, so it's film number 5 and out. If they wanted to, i'm not even sure of a Hollywood actor that could pull off the part, certainly not Chris Pratt for starters! Bradley Cooper is 45, he would be a great choice. Convinced after i saw the amazing American Sniper.

Bradley doesn't have the charisma. Chris Pratt would be any day better than him.