CES January 5-10, 2020 What happens in Las Vegas will be broadcast World Wide

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So it's just an ambient light sensor? I turn that shit off on my TV for a reason

Normally I would agree with you, but on OLED you have ABL that dimmers dark HDR material and things seems like a solution to this.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by MerrickG

I don't see any information about HDMI 2.1 being implemented into Sony's new TVs.

Sony has the PS5 coming this year, surely they wouldn't leave that feature out.

Surely?

No Filmmaker Mode and only HDMI 2.1 on the absolute flagship model.
What the hell is Sony doing this year?!

[JohnAV]

Filmmaker Mode coming to TVs from LG, Samsung, Panasonic, Philips & Vizio - FlatPanelsHD 1/7/2020

At CES 2020, Samsung and Philips (TP Vision) joined the initiative along with Hollywood guilds and Kaleidescape. LG, Vizio, and Panasonic have said that their 2020 TVs will support Filmmaker Mode. Samsung has yet to detail its plans while Philips will announce its 2020 TV line-up later this month.

- "We’re honored to have the support of the DGA, ASC, ICG & the Film Foundation. All of which just formally recognized Filmmaker Mode as an important and critical step toward allowing home viewers to enjoy movies and TV shows as they were intended to be seen by the filmmaker," the organization said.

The initiative is also backed by notable film directors such as Christopher Nolan, Paul Thomas Anderson, Ryan Coogler, Patty Jenkins, Martin Scorsese, James Cameron, J.J. Abrams, Ava DuVernay, Judd Apatow, Ang Lee, Reed Moreno, and the Duffer Brothers.

Sony and TCL are notably missing from the list of partners. Sony declined to comment on its future plans.

How Filmmaker Mode works
Filmmaker Mode comes as Hollywood is acknowledging a significant shift from cinema to home entertainment. For the first time, TV video technology has leapfrogged cinema with 4K and 8K, HDR, and other new developments. However, all of this technology must be tamed to deliver the original creative intent, filmmakers argue.

Engaging Filmmaker Mode in a TV will disable post-processing systems such as motion smoothing, noise reduction and sharpening. It will also preserve the frame rate, colors, and aspect ratio. It works with both HDR and SDR content.

Filmmaker Mode can be engaged manually via a button or automatically through metadata in the signal. LG, Panasonic and Vizio confirmed that 2020 TVs will support both automatic and manual activation of Filmmaker Mode. There are no plans to bring Filmmaker Mode to previous TVs.

Here is how it works in LG's 2020 TVs. The TV will automatically recognize movie content and initially ask the viewer if he or she would prefer to activate the mode. LG said that Filmmaker Mode in SDR will use 100 nits full scene white and 2.4 gamma.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

No Filmmaker Mode and only HDMI 2.1 on the absolute flagship model.
What the hell is Sony doing this year?!

Not supporting a forced filmmaker mode possibly? There is always more to any story then what you read.

Sony Rules Out Filmmaker Mode Support, Says It Sets Its 'Own Standards' on Creator Intent
TOP NEWS|29 Aug 2019|Ref: 1908280022|by Paul Gluckman
Sony definitively removed its hat from the ring of possible Filmmaker Mode TV-maker supporters the morning after the UHD Alliance debuted the TV movie-watching feature at a Los Angeles event with broad creator backing. UHDA Chairman Michael Zink introduced LG, Panasonic and Vizio at the event as the TV-brand “launch partners” for Filmmaker Mode, the easy-to-access picture setting free of the “motion-smoothing” image processing that creators disdain for how it renders their movies on living-room screens

Licensing costs part of this initiative is another question?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

No Filmmaker Mode and only HDMI 2.1 on the absolute flagship model.
What the hell is Sony doing this year?!

Meh and meh. Filmmaker Mode sounds extremely grand but it's not doing anything other than not doing anything, if anyone has properly calibrated their TV to turn off all extraneous processing and align to the proper gamma, colour temp and peak white then they literally have a Filmmaker Mode. Is it nice to have it at the push of a button? Sure. Would any serious enthusiast have any need for it? Not really.

It's clearly designed for the unwashed masses, for them to see what they're 'missing', and that LG's version limits SDR to 100 nits is verr interesting because people used to maxing the shit out of their SDR (and/or putting it on Cool colour temp because they don't like how yellow Warm looks) are going to wonder what the fuss is about. Especially if they're watching in daytime with light blasting through the windows.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Not supporting a forced filmmaker mode possibly? There is always more to any story then what you read.

Licensing costs part of this initiative is another question?

Sony never bothered with UHDA certification either so I'm not surprised they're shunning another mode that's basically another licensing wheeze.

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Normally I would agree with you, but on OLED you have ABL that dimmers dark HDR material and things seems like a solution to this.

But ABL (and ASBL) are part and parcel of how OLED is being set up by manufacturers, I doubt that this ambient light sensor is there to work around those things. I mean, it'll adapt to lighting conditions first of all and then the usual limiters will kick in if they sense something.

[DJJez]

Sony not doing hdmi 2.1 on anything but their 8k tv is just ridiculous. Its a good excuse for me not to upgrade this year from my AG9 though

[zen007]

That rollable TV, if I am not wrong, has been done before by LG so it could be an upgraded model

Would have liked to see 12 bit panels for e.g. to take full advantage of DV rather than what is currently being shoved down our throats (8k, which not many care for atm)

[Archivy]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

No Filmmaker Mode and only HDMI 2.1 on the absolute flagship model.
What the hell is Sony doing this year?!

Sony's ethos with their MASTERING series TVs is that they adhere as close as possible to the creators' intent. Thus, there is no need for "Filmmaker Mode." Sony TVs are supposed to be in filmmaker mode by default.

I'll go a step further. By implementing a Filmmaker Mode, the likes of LG and Samsung are tacitly admitting that all the bells and whistles they've been incorporating into their TVs of late do not aid the artistic presentation of content, which is an embarrassing admission.

"Hey guys -- you know all the features we've been adding to our TVs lately? Well, you have to turn all that stuff off if you want the content to look right."

If TV manufacturers are not striving to aid the artistic presentation of content with their advancements, then what are they in the business of doing? This is why I wrote elsewhere that TV advancements aren't being driven by the creative community anymore but by engineers and marketing teams. It's frustrating and sad for us movie lovers.

[Geoff D]

Sony have a shitload of processing gubbins as well so I'm not sure it's a philosophical statement on their behalf, they're just stubborn AF and have always felt that they don't need anyone else's paid certification to tell them how good their gear is. It's why they've never gone near THX.

[Lee A Stewart]

Other than the 48" OLEDs from Sony and LG, I wasn't really impressed with this years offerings.

No new UHD-BD players

No 8K content

Very limited use of ATSC 3.0 tuners

[avs commenter]

Vizio and TCL both adding VRR and including HDMI 2.1. Vizio adding HDR10+. TCL adding THX Certified Game Mode.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Other than the 48" OLEDs from Sony and LG, I wasn't really impressed with this years offerings.

No new UHD-BD players

No 8K content

Very limited use of ATSC 3.0 tuners

Might UHD Blu-ray players become a annual thing post PS5, X Series launch?

[MisterXDTV]

So 0 new UHD Blu-ray Players this year?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Might UHD Blu-ray players become a annual thing post PS5, X Series launch?

Samsung left the disc spinner arena for a reason, as did OPPO: there's just not the same market there for disc players any more, and even the ones that are left aren't all revising them every year tech-wise because there's just no reason to. Bear in mind that UHD Blu was built atop the tech of regular Blu which is why the first-gen 4K players weren't the hefty tanks of yesterformat, and even then the changes from range to range over these last four years have been mostly cosmetic with only slight alterations to add things like DV and Panasonic's branded HDR Optimiser, as well as making an analogue-audio-friendly beast like the UB9000.

Blu-ray wasn't launched fully formed and had several key functionality updates to the tech, plus the 3D update too which resulted in a wholesale change of player for many folks about four years into BD's life, doesn't seem as if anything like that is on the horizon for UHD Blu. Maybe an update to bring quad-layer discs into the replicated spec, but that's about it. BD players did start to have 4K upscaling added as an inducement to upgrade so I guess the same could be said of 8K upscaling BUT as we keep getting told that the AI upscaling in 8K TVs is literally the greatest thing ever (as they tout their denoising and sharpening like they're good things, blech) then putting it inside the player seems to be self-defeating in this case and certainly wouldn't have the same processing power as what the TVs do.

If anything, I think that the presumed explosion in UHD disc's popularity off the back of the next next next gen consoles will make the standalone player market shrink further, possibly making it ever more specialised a la the UB9000 as the manufacturers look to gain back some value rather than churning out supermarket specials.

[avs commenter]

Do people just want a shiny new box or is there some feature current players dont have that Im not aware of?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Other than the 48" OLEDs from Sony and LG, I wasn't really impressed with this years offerings.

No new UHD-BD players

No 8K content

Very limited use of ATSC 3.0 tuners

Did you ever consider that displaying UHD players at a press events clearly remind consumers that there is no 8k content for 8k TVs? So other then they play UHD BD media, what is changed that is worth marketing them at a show events? Granted they still might be displayed in some booths, but it not something being hyped.

Take for example Panasonics press show, a karate exhibition, discussions about Olympics being a technological show off event of broadcasting, storm troopers to show off a technology partnering with Disney. All these press shows want to highlight to investors and attendee that a company is still relevant and exciting.

Discussing incorporating HDMI 2.1 in TV models, why bother? They all will have that this year.

Hey we have a new model of a UHD BD player, so? Let’s discuss all that lack of 8k content at a show, are you kidding?

All the products both soon coming, and future shown at these press events are stirring interest effecting financial aspects of a companies value to CES viewers. If if something not worth discussing why bring it up, given the limited time they have allotted.

[Lee A Stewart]

HiSense to add new technologies to solve burn-in, low brightness and color accuracy issues in its 2020 OLED TVs

In November 2018 HiSense launched its first OLED TV range, the Series X in Australia and later in Europe. The 55" model is now shipping in the UK for £1,149. According to reports, demand for HiSense's OLEDs were lower-than-expected, at least in Australia.

According to a new report from China, HiSense 2020 OLED TVs will feature new technologies to solve image burn-in, low brightness and color inaccuracies. HiSense developed six-layers of technologies that include LEA-edge station logo monitoring and adjustment; local brightness adjustment of static content under dynamic video; brightness adjustment function for still images; overscan pixel shift technology; OFFRS function; and JB function.

HiSense also implemented 3D color correction technology to achieve 729-point accurate color correction and its new OLED TVs offer 900 nits of maximum brightness. It is likely we'll learn more at CES 2020 next week.

https://www.oled-info.com/hisense-20...brightness-and

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Do people just want a shiny new box or is there some feature current players dont have that Im not aware of?

You on the right track. The only possible step up at the moment is a player with 8k up-conversation along with HDMI 2.1 output and what good would that do, but to remind us that the 8k ecosystem is still not fully present for consumers. There are no SoC that can do that yet designed to be the basis of a next generation player. Too early!

[elwaylite]

Displays and UHD players should just go to a 24-month program, no need in rehashing models yearly at this point.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

Dolby Vision IQ sounds cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHrG...ature=youtu.be

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So it's just an ambient light sensor? I turn that shit off on my TV for a reason

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, figuring out the ambient adaptive display management after getting the information from the sensors was no small feat.
Anyway, since giving you guys the initial heads-up to the project almost a couple of years ago – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14993439

I think it’s a good feature to offer for the general user who may be unaware or unable to compensate for a proper viewing environment – Table 3 of the BT. 2100 hyperlink here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...0#post17221320
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continuing on from the bolded……