CES January 5-10, 2020 What happens in Las Vegas will be broadcast World Wide

[Penton-Man]

John AV , you missed some coverage by my fellow gadget head (who was astute enough to marry a UVa lady ) Colbert

Robotic Cats, "Pooptime Robot Pal" Among The Hot New Gadgets At C.E.S. 2020 - YouTube

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

continuing on from the bolded……

Eh. Screens can't go any brighter than, well, however bright they can get (backlights are usually maxed out in HDR mode on most LCD sets to provide dat absolute brightness HDR headroom) and as the chief complaint about HDR is the perpetual cry of "it's too dark!" I don't see how this is going to help, apart from further changing the perception of what the creative intent is by, say, boosting the APL much higher than it actually should be. Still, Dobly has been rocking day and night modes on many TVs (which came as a surprise to one of our resident Dobly fanboys) so this is just the next step in that chain. But I only watch HDR in the dark so these kinds of practicalities are lost on me.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sony have a shitload of processing gubbins as well so I'm not sure it's a philosophical statement on their behalf, they're just stubborn AF and have always felt that they don't need anyone else's paid certification to tell them how good their gear is. It's why they've never gone near THX.

Just to add to this, Sony have got their own 'Ambient Optimization' feature that they're touting this year rather than go with Dolby IQ. You have to love how they take features that have been around for years and repackage them as a new feature because someone else is doing it.

[MechaGodzilla]

Ah, so the Z8H does have X-Wide Angle after all. Basically an 8K Z9F, then, as some of us guessed it might be.

Seems X-Wide Angle is here to stay on Sony's high-end LCDs. I myself have no strong opinions on it either way, as I haven't experienced it for myself.

Also, it seems they're basically bringing back 2017's favorite the X900E with the X900H? X1 processor, confirmed lower peak brightness than X900F/950G/950H, no X-Wide Angle... obviously with differences, but it's looking like it'll have very similar performance overall. Whatever it is, it's nice to see them introduce cheaper FALD sets.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh. Screens can't go any brighter than, well, however bright they can get (backlights are usually maxed out in HDR mode on most LCD sets to provide dat absolute brightness HDR headroom) and as the chief complaint about HDR is the perpetual cry of "it's too dark!" I don't see how this is going to help, apart from further changing the perception of what the creative intent is by, say, boosting the APL much higher than it actually should be. Still, Dobly has been rocking day and night modes on many TVs (which came as a surprise to one of our resident Dobly fanboys) so this is just the next step in that chain.

It’s a big step forward to be able to do it properly in real time in varying conditions. And not only LG, but Panasonic is also on the Dolby Vision IQ bandwagon for that matter.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But I only watch HDR in the dark so these kinds of practicalities are lost on me.

Geoff, like I said on the last page, the average consumer is not as video savvy as you are and they don’t strictly watch PQ in a 5 nits or less surround environment. A main benefit of DV IQ is a bit similar to how ‘filmmaker mode’ should help the general PQ user population, but not necessarily you, as although with excellent intentions by giving a heads-up to better viewing by Tom and Christopher prior to the rollout of the ‘filmmaker mode’ –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://twitter.com/TomCruise/status...71781757616128
Exclusive - Bringing y’all more detail to the background of Tom and Christopher's public service announcement –

even for those consumers who had the opportunity to watch their PSA, I’m not sure given the different nomenclature with different brands in their menus that the general population had the wherewithal or motivation to figure out how to manually change things with their particular televisions.

Plus, even professional scientific studies (by the IRT and EBU) have shown that the better motion interpolation solutions offered by consumer TV manufacturers can be very effective in reducing motion blur (although not as good as native high fps capture and delivery),

so do you think Joe and Jane6Pack are really going to go thru the inconvenience (even if they remember to), after watching a movie then to go back into their TV menus and turn video interpolation back on again for when they next watch a football or basketball, etc. game? Hell, after a hard day’s work or simply relaxing over the weekend the last thing most people want to do is manually tweak their TVs with all the confusing nomenclature and freakin buttons.

[ray0414]

I think the most impressive tvs that aren't getting any press are the Skyworth Wallpaper oleds. $3599 for a 65" wallpaper oled? That greatly undercuts what LG is selling. curious what their 77"W is gonna MSRP for. I did a search for Skyworth Ces 2020 and there is not a single video covering it. Hmmm.

[Matthew.H]

Originally Posted by ray0414

I think the most impressive tvs that aren't getting any press are the Skyworth Wallpaper oleds. $3599 for a 65" wallpaper oled? That greatly undercuts what LG is selling. curious what their 77"W is gonna MSRP for. I did a search for Skyworth Ces 2020 and there is not a single video covering it. Hmmm.

Has there been any pricing lists from any of the companies yet?

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Matthew.H

Has there been any pricing lists from any of the companies yet?

I think Skyworth is the only 1 so far. But now that CES is open for the week, we may here if the companies have prices listed out on the floors. We should start seeing videos from non media youtubers.

[JohnAV]

One of the best OLED TVs is finally coming to the US - TechRadar 1/7

Here in the US, we can get OLED TVs from two companies: LG and Sony. They deliver excellent quality, but leave us with limited options and are invariably expensive. That's about to change, though, as Funai has just shown off Phillips-branded OLED TVs at CES 2020.

The Philips OLED 804 just showed at CES 2020

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

One of the best OLED TVs is finally coming to the US - TechRadar 1/7



The Philips OLED 804 just showed at CES 2020

A shame Panasonic wont return to usa this year it seems

[tcripe]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

One of the best OLED TVs is finally coming to the US - TechRadar 1/7



The Philips OLED 804 just showed at CES 2020

How is this set quality wise compared to the LG and Sony OLEDS?

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by zen007

Is Samsung adding DV to its line up?

Samsung is charging ahead with deploying HDR10+ in it's products and has been joined by Google and Vizio, who are going to support it in the future.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by DJJez

A shame Panasonic wont return to usa this year it seems

They are small potatoes, just not enough production to even sell in the USA. Now that you have Phillips (Funai ), Visio, Skyworth, Konka selling OLEDs and LCD sets on top of what Samsung, TCL, LG, Sony offers.

[nick4Knight]

That's cool about the Philips but I don't think that'll come to Australia. Unlike the Panasonic, which do, but these TV's are not favorable on everyday consumers like the LG line is @ under $2000AUD when on special...

Yet again neat to see some movement on technologies and ranges. Though I'm not interested in 2.1 features so whether or not its 4K, or 8K with 2.1 isn't a factor for me -- But the bottomline take away is the pricepoints are all way too out there. And this year so far shows me my prediction of 3-5 years (from 2019) before any of the possible successor displays is really worth the money they ask of current large display FALD LCD and 77" OLED (being the premium stuff) of today. But at whatever size is cheapest.

[elwaylite]

They key really with the Oleds is not the panel as much as the video processing. I'd want to be very sure Philips and Vizio have motion, scaling and near black-figured out before buying one.

Sony has motion figured out, both Sony and LG scale well and have a nice smooth gradation feature, and it seems the E9 has better near black than the A9G with its fine-tuning of white balance abilities.

[zen007]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

Samsung is charging ahead with deploying HDR10+ in it's products and has been joined by Google and Vizio, who are going to support it in the future.

ATV4K, Netflix, etc., do not support HDRR10+

[JohnAV]

LG BX, CX, GX OLED AutoCal updates for 2020 announced at CES | Interview - YouTube

We interview Tyler Pruitt from Portrait Displays about the new AutoCal features available in the 2020 OLED TVs from LG.

[JohnAV]

Samsung Micro LED, why 8K QLED and why no Dolby Vision? | CES 2020 Interview - YouTube

We interview Craig Cunningham from Samsung Europe about the CES 2020 launches of Micro LED, 8K QLED and more. We also ask why now for 8K TVs and why is there no support for Dolby Vision and Atmos on the 2020 TV line-up.

[zen007]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Samsung Micro LED, why 8K QLED and why no Dolby Vision? | CES 2020 Interview - YouTube

We interview Craig Cunningham from Samsung Europe about the CES 2020 launches of Micro LED, 8K QLED and more. We also ask why now for 8K TVs and why is there no support for Dolby Vision and Atmos on the 2020 TV line-up.

Similar concern that I raised considering the increase in use of DV on discs and streaming services, while there is hardly any content in 8K. Also content creators on YT could continue to use or revert back to HD (than use 4K) as more and more content is consumed on cellphones:

4K Failed: the TRUTH about HD vs 4K - YouTube

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It’s a big step forward to be able to do it properly in real time in varying conditions. And not only LG, but Panasonic is also on the Dolby Vision IQ bandwagon for that matter.

Geoff, like I said on the last page, the average consumer is not as video savvy as you are and they don’t strictly watch PQ in a 5 nits or less surround environment. A main benefit of DV IQ is a bit similar to how ‘filmmaker mode’ should help the general PQ user population, but not necessarily you, as although with excellent intentions by giving a heads-up to better viewing by Tom and Christopher prior to the rollout of the ‘filmmaker mode’ –

even for those consumers who had the opportunity to watch their PSA, I’m not sure given the different nomenclature with different brands in their menus that the general population had the wherewithal or motivation to figure out how to manually change things with their particular televisions.

Plus, even professional scientific studies (by the IRT and EBU) have shown that the better motion interpolation solutions offered by consumer TV manufacturers can be very effective in reducing motion blur (although not as good as native high fps capture and delivery),

so do you think Joe and Jane6Pack are really going to go thru the inconvenience (even if they remember to), after watching a movie then to go back into their TV menus and turn video interpolation back on again for when they next watch a football or basketball, etc. game? Hell, after a hard day’s work or simply relaxing over the weekend the last thing most people want to do is manually tweak their TVs with all the confusing nomenclature and freakin buttons.

Funny thing is though Mr P I can see the wider public wondering what all the fuss was about re: Filmmaker Mode. It'll make their pictures darker, dimmer with less saturation and warmer colour temp than they're used to, as well as making it look all blurry now that the interpolation has been turned off and grainier now that the noise reduction has been turned off.

We like to think that we know best for people but if there's one thing I've learned from selling TVs to the public for so long it's that they don't want to ****ing know what it should look like. They want everything to 'pop' and to look smooth as buttah with no jerky motion, none of that nasty grain stuff and definitely no black bars, tastes which have been resurrected with a vengeance in the 4K era. Those kinds of folks are even more prevalent on here than we might think, they just don't crow about their choices.

I'm not saying that FM is a bad thing, it's a wonderful thing, but I think it's come FAR too late in proceedings to really change anything, the old adage about leading horsies (or poles) to water is going to apply here. Some people will become converts once they get used to not having the image jacked up to high heaven, but most average joes/janes will stick with it for about five minutes and then turn it back to Vivid mode in disgust.