Lawrence of Arabia 4K UHD (1962)

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Kakihara

Lazy hyperbole? So ironic that you would make that claim. Like I pointed out, I'm not saying anyone is wrong other than the desire to find some kind of balance. You tend to be overly-sensitive and quick to attack others here.

[Kakihara]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Ok, enlighten me, if you will?

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by hoejunter

I'll never understand why people get so wound up over the opinion of others. There's a ton of 4K transfers that I don't see an issue with whereas others tear it apart, it doesn't take my personal enjoyment away A discussion or debate is fine but there's no need to take everything so personal. Everybody needs to chill out.

Agree. I completely appreciate the knowledge many members here possess but no need to take things personal and gang up on the members trying to participate in the discussion. I am seeing this often here which is not good. Not every discussion have to be up-to-point as we got members with mixed knowledge.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Kakihara

Ok, enlighten me, if you will?

1) There's a litany of posts where Geoff admits he has a morose manner.
2) He isn't out to provide "balance" . He gives a clinical technical analysis from his wealth of knowledge. How someone feels about that assessment isn't his fault.
3) He's not saying based on his analysis you should not buy something, or it should affect your viewing experience overall. He's well aware he picks up on things most people probably won't.

[Kakihara]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

1) There's a litany of posts where Geoff admits he has a morose manner.
2) He isn't out to provide "balance" . He gives a clinical technical analysis from his wealth of knowledge. How someone feels about that assessment isn't his fault.
3) He's not saying based on his analysis you should not buy something, or it should affect your viewing experience overall. He's well aware he picks up on things most people probably won't.

1) Just because one admits to having a morose manner doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out on it.

2) Just how it isn't his fault how someone feels about his assessment, it's not my fault that I don't think his assessment is infallible.

3) I never claimed he has specifically suggested everyone NOT buy something but based on his wealth of knowledge, if one sees post after post of him picking apart a disc, one would be naturally-inclined to decide not to spend their money on it or at least question which assessment rings more true given that there are opposing viewpoints from his own.

In the end, I make my own decision on what to buy and take these critiques at my discretion. But stating a desire to see more balanced reviews isn't being unreasonable. And again, if he's going to be rude to me, I'm not just going to take it. We can have differing views without him resorting to belittling me. I'm not going to press this further than I already have, though. I mean no disrespect to anyone here.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Kakihara

1) Just because one admits to having a morose manner doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out on it.

2) Just how it isn't his fault how someone feels about his assessment, it's not my fault that I don't think his assessment is infallible.

3) I never claimed he has specifically suggested everyone NOT buy something but based on his wealth of knowledge, if one sees post after post of him picking apart a disc, one would be naturally-inclined to decide not to spend their money on it or at least question which assessment rings more true given that there are opposing viewpoints from his own.

In the end, I make my own decision on what to buy and take these critiques at my discretion. But stating a desire to see more balanced reviews isn't being unreasonable. And again, if he's going to be rude to me, I'm not just going to take it. We can have differing views without him resorting to belittling me.

Gotta admit you said everything I would have said. I just choose to hang back a little because Geoff does have some knowledge that is obvious. On the other hand, you can have the forest for the trees kind of thing too.

As for the comparison, it is like 2 people running race, and one gets seriously smoked by the other despite having handicaps (like tons of language tracks, complete disc space not being utilized) and here one is actually looking for any sign that the loser did something special. Perhaps looking at one nanosecond of movement in a leg to say, see that stride was so much better (and yet they still lose)! When one see details for themselves that blow that argument apart, we get the "you are not seeing it my way, you are not reading, you are running off with it, how dare you zoom in!"

Can one not see the contradiction much less the belittling?

P.S. Scottishguy, we may not agree, but we sure agree on 2 points. Once Upon a Time in the West is a great film, and I was just finishing up the Sopranos on bluray finally. Love it!

[TravisTylerBlack]

Admittedly, after multiple direct comparisons of the SDR 4K stream and this UHD on my BenQ 4K projector, I can't deny the probability that a low-pass filter was applied here. It's not something I would have ever noticed had other eagle-eyed members not pointed to some very precise examples that I was able to replicate at home.

For the life of me though I just can't understand why it was necessary.
Was this encode completed with a single disc in mind before Sony (rightfully) opted for two? Did they work from an existing, older encode that had artifacts already baked in instead of starting fresh from the full uncompressed source?

It's still a gorgeous presentation IMO but it's also frustrating to know that my all-time most anticipated UHD title isn't *quite* all that it could be. Sony has released nothing but the most incredibly organic looking transfers on UHD up to this point. Given that Lawrence is without question the title selling this set to most people, one would think they would do everything within their power to give it the absolute finest, most purist-pleasing, cinephile wet-dream of a transfer possible.

Still really like this release. Still think it's currently the best possible way to watch the film outside of a Dolby Cinema 4K screening. But also just totally stumped.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Agree. I completely appreciate the knowledge many members here possess but no need to take things personal and gang up on the members trying to participate in the discussion. I am seeing this often here which is not good. Not every discussion have to be up-to-point as we got members with mixed knowledge.

Most of the hostility comes from individuals like backwards Jimbo who make comments like he does, which is why I replied. It’s one thing to say constructively what you don’t like about a release. It’s rare someone would be blasted for doing that.

Instead he goes into every Sony thread and says the same thing to get a reaction then gets upset when members like myself call him out.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

Still really like this release. Still think it's currently the best possible way to watch the film outside of a Dolby Cinema 4K screening. But also just totally stumped.

I got a question. Projected huge, are the compression artifacts from the stream apparent?

I would like to know why in my zoomed screenshots, and my experience do you actually lose quality, yet Sony is the one that is called "softened"?

I am not doubting your experience, but particularly the sky scenes seemed to be riddled with it.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Kakihara

1) Just because one admits to having a morose manner doesn't mean they shouldn't be called out on it.

2) Just how it isn't his fault how someone feels about his assessment, it's not my fault that I don't think his assessment is infallible.

3) I never claimed he has specifically suggested everyone NOT buy something but based on his wealth of knowledge, if one sees post after post of him picking apart a disc, one would be naturally-inclined to decide not to spend their money on it or at least question which assessment rings more true given that there are opposing viewpoints from his own.

In the end, I make my own decision on what to buy and take these critiques at my discretion. But stating a desire to see more balanced reviews isn't being unreasonable. And again, if he's going to be rude to me, I'm not just going to take it. We can have differing views without him resorting to belittling me. I'm not going to press this further than I already have, though. I mean no disrespect to anyone here.

Yeah but most people use his manner to hide the fact they can't admit his insight is superior to theirs 9 times out of 10. Thus we have everyone who has a bias against him curiously sticking a thanks to your post.

I don't see how he was belittling you. Geoff has kicked my butt hard on a number of subjects. You can cry about it, or just leave your ego at the door and say thanks, learn and move on.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Most of the hostility comes from individuals like backwards Jimbo who make comments like he does, which is why I replied. It’s one thing to say constructively what you don’t like about a release. It’s rare someone would be blasted for doing that.

Instead he goes into every Sony thread and says the same thing to get a reaction then gets upset when members like myself call him out.

That is not true at all. I post politely and speak about movies only, not other members. I give examples, explanations, and of course my opinion. I post in Sony threads because they have a lot of movies I like. Starship Troopers, The Fifth Element, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Christine, Lawrence of Arabia, Dr. Strangelove, Jerry Maguire, and many more are movies I watch on a regular basis. It’s fine to disagree with someone, or to ignore them. But a lot of members resort to personal attacks and gifs and that’s not okay.

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by slimjean

I got a question. Projected huge, are the compression artifacts from the stream apparent?

I would like to know why in my zoomed screenshots, and my experience do you actually lose quality, yet Sony is the one that is called "softened"?

I am not doubting your experience, but particularly the sky scenes seemed to be riddled with it.

Yes, the artifacts are definitely there and more noticeable on a projection system. They’ve always been there, though honestly for a 4 year old compressed stream it still looks solid. The audio is such a huge downgrade though that that alone will probably keep me from returning to any streaming version.
Lawrence is a film that absolutely needs lossless.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

That is not true at all. I post politely and speak about movies only, not other members. I give examples, explanations, and of course my opinion. I post in Sony threads because they have a lot of movies I like. Starship Troopers, The Fifth Element, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Christine, Lawrence of Arabia, Dr. Strangelove, Jerry Maguire, and many more are movies I watch on a regular basis. It’s fine to disagree with someone, or to ignore them. But a lot of members resort to personal attacks and gifs and that’s not okay.

I will say you’re typically “nice” initially but you know what you’re doing and why you’re doing it. It’s why you get called out so often and are constantly arguing with people. Come on dude, all your OLED vs LED, LD, posts? You do that to get a reaction. If that wasn’t your intent a normal person would mention it once.

At least own it.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

I will say you’re typically “nice” initially but you know what you’re doing and why you’re doing it. It’s why you get called out so often and are constantly arguing with people. Come on dude, all your OLED vs LED, LD, posts? You do that to get a reaction. If that wasn’t your intent a normal person would mention it once.

At least own it.

I do own it. It’s what I believe in 100%. I haven’t trolled a single time on any of these movie forums. If I post something, I believe in it. I may change my opinion later, but that’s okay. I don’t do this to get attention. I’m a huge movie fan. Like everyone else here. Wouldn’t it be boring if everyone agreed with everyone? And if someone disagrees or gets this mad over someone else’s opinion, why not just use the ignore feature? If everyone mentioned their opinion only once, this forum would be dead. Everyone constantly pushes what they believe in, Geoff and you included. That’s what we do.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I do own it. It’s what I believe in 100%. I haven’t trolled a single time on any of these movie forums. If I post something, I believe in it. I may change my opinion later, but that’s okay. I don’t do this to get attention. I’m a huge movie fan. Like everyone else here. Wouldn’t it be boring if everyone agreed with everyone? And if someone disagrees or gets this mad over someone else’s opinion, why not just use the ignore feature?

Ok well now I just feel sorry for you for multiple reasons.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I do own it. It’s what I believe in 100%. I haven’t trolled a single time on any of these movie forums. If I post something, I believe in it. I may change my opinion later, but that’s okay. I don’t do this to get attention. I’m a huge movie fan. Like everyone else here. Wouldn’t it be boring if everyone agreed with everyone? And if someone disagrees or gets this mad over someone else’s opinion, why not just use the ignore feature?

Because you literally swarm this board with ignorance like the locus scene from Days Of Heaven. You then try to defend your opinions with technical arguments that are completely devoid of any objective analysis, ironically more subjective than your atchual opinion.

What you call "trolling" is in fact just mocking how ridiculous they are.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Well said. Articulate and enjoyable.

I was just gonna call him a dink and take the time out because the weather is nice.

The deterioration of conversation and debate since he's trodden back on this board again is clearly evident. A real feeling of toxicity. I'm not putting the blame all kn him. But, a lot of people are capitalising on it to gang up on Geoff for the obvious reason he just knows more than them, and they don't like it. Clearly wanting to kick him off the board so they can go about with less scrutiny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPi...ature=youtu.be

[LoSouL]

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

I do own it. It’s what I believe in 100%. I haven’t trolled a single time on any of these movie forums. If I post something, I believe in it. I may change my opinion later, but that’s okay. I don’t do this to get attention. I’m a huge movie fan. Like everyone else here. Wouldn’t it be boring if everyone agreed with everyone? And if someone disagrees or gets this mad over someone else’s opinion, why not just use the ignore feature? If everyone mentioned their opinion only once, this forum would be dead. Everyone constantly pushes what they believe in, Geoff and you included. That’s what we do.

Noremac, I think ultimately you’re just on a different frequency than most of the regular patrons here. Nothing wrong with that per-say, but your views seem to be your views seem to be your views seem to be your views.
Furthermore, many of us find it hard to talk with you on any given day about how beautiful the blue sky looks in HDR Dobly+ Vision because you will ultimately insist that the sky should actually be purple and that
we’re all seeing it wrong anyway because the analog laserdisc (with the color cranked up 25 notches) looks better. Anyway, I don’t own an OLED so what do I even know about anything?

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by LoSouL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WN8...ature=youtu.be