Lawrence of Arabia 4K UHD (1962)

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by BaronVH

Pardon if I missed this, but when will this be available?

We don't know yet.

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by Egbert Souse

I've seen the 4K DCP twice, once in 2012 and again last year, and it doesn't look grainy at all. Best way to describe how it looks is a fine mist. Looked on par with 15/70 IMAX to my eyes, just gorgeous.

Geoff D, I have a question: could the HDR application in itself really have made such a dramatic difference from a 4K DCP? I'm just curious.

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

Always the one to bring down the mood and be negative.

What you unnecessarily said is just the obvious logic that leads to the need of backups, if one can do them. I try to have as much as possible duplicated in the two externas HDs I have.

I would say YOUR negativity was unnecessary. What I talked about came partly from experience. From the things I worry about. I don't back up my backups. I want to, but it's a lot more money.

My NAS was originally set up as RAID5, stupidly without a UPS. When the power went out again and again, data striped across the whole array was corrupted. I think most of it is fine, but I still find corruption from back then. The TV shows were too much work to rip, so I just keep most until I can find the video messing up. I was converting Sopranos' audio to FLAC two months ago when I found one of the videos messing up. Ended up deleting the whole terabyte of the show. Will probably delete Breaking Bad and The Shield as well after writing down the duration of each episode. I worry about their disc sleeves, though. Most of the movies I deleted as well and plan to back up again when I actually want to watch them, rather than risk a viewing being ruined.

Now I just keep those drives as separate volumes. No RAID.

[matbezlima]

You could have said it all in a nicer way, to come cross like an advice. To me, your original comment came across almost as belittling the user who was just happy talking about storing many of his movies. You didn't add anything, it was just unnecessary, the user even said he would have liked to be able to backup it all.

But maybe I was way too harsh in how I interpreted your comment, and it's primarily for one reason: your comment in The Little Mermaid 4K thread, in which you said that revisionism is why directors and cinematographers are better off DEAD, really soured me on you. So toxic and insensitive. And I have already wasted time with other such angry fanatics in the American Graffiti 4K thread.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Imagine having a 16 TB hard drive fail and having to rip all those movies again after figuring out which ones they were. Or imagine the 100+ TB being a RAID that gets corrupted and having to rip EVERYTHING again.

The bigger issue is going to be down the road when UHD BD is longer being produced. What happens if one of your discs no longer plays and you cannot find it anywhere other than some ridiculous eBay price (like what happened with Lawrence)? Backing up will likely be the only practical solution.

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

The bigger issue is going to be down the road when UHD BD is longer being produced. What happens if one of your discs no longer plays and you cannot find it anywhere other than some ridiculous eBay price (like what happened with Lawrence)? Backing up will likely be the only practical solution.

UHD BD will not stop being produced, until technology reaches a point where we can easily and very affordably download many films in the highest quality possible to our hard drives. There are many such services in music, and it's not hard for people to crack DRM anyway. And even with all these services in music, LPs still exist. The UHDs will satisfy such premium market of physical media.

I refer to this comment I made.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1834

Nevertheless, you are right about the importance of backups, specially as I believe Disney Vault strategies will become more and more common by the big studios.

[matbezlima]

Point is: there will be many services like Kaleidescape only a few decades from now (if not earlier), doing what Kaleidescape currently does, while being actually accessible and affordable.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

UHD BD will not stop being produced, until technology reaches a point where we can easily and very affordably download many films in the highest quality possible to our hard drives. There are many such services in music, and it's not hard for people to crack DRM anyway. And even with all these services in music, LPs still exist. The UHDs will satisfy such premium market of physical media.

I refer to this comment I made.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1834

Nevertheless, you are right about the importance of backups, specially as I believe Disney Vault strategies will become more and more common by the big studios.

I don't think it's vanishing tomorrow, but the physical media market gets smaller every year as we know. With only one replication plant left in North America and the disc QC getting quite poor, I wouldn't be surprise if the format only has about ten years or less. Boutiques are really the drivers right now it seems and that will/can only be milked out for so long. What's affordable in the future to download at such a high quality and low price seems very questionable to me as many so-called video enthusiasts on various forums and "publications" think today's streaming quality matches UHD BD, so I am not nearly as optimistic as you are about a future cheap K-Scape option, but hey, we'll see.

[matbezlima]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I don't think it's vanishing tomorrow, but the physical media market gets smaller every year as we know. With only one replication plant left in North America and the disc QC getting quite poor, I wouldn't be surprise if the format only has about ten years or less. Boutiques are really the drivers right now it seems and that will/can only be milked out for so long. What's affordable in the future to download at such a high quality and low price seems very questionable to me as many so-called video enthusiasts on various forums think today's streaming quality matches UHD BD, so I am not nearly as optimistic as you are about a cheap K-Scape, but hey, we'll see.

Physical media market gets smaller, but it won't disappear completely. Just look at the LP industry. But it will get increasingly more niche. Limited releases could become the norm.

I believe in a cheap Kaleidescape, but it's not coming anytime soon. Not in the next 10 years. Maybe not even within the next 20 or 30. It depends on how long it will take for internet speed (for downloads of gigantic files, and higher-quality streaming as well) and storage capacity to get big and cheap enough, and I can't make any exact prediction about that. That's the big obstacle that music doesn't have, and why such services are common in music.

I believe the standard of UHD is still far better than blu-rays though, and it keeps getting better. The early years of blu-ray and DVD...

[teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Imagine having a 16 TB hard drive fail and having to rip all those movies again after figuring out which ones they were. Or imagine the 100+ TB being a RAID that gets corrupted and having to rip EVERYTHING again.

Best way I've found so far is to build a TrueNAS server. If one of your drives dies you insert a new disk and have the survivors figure out what is missing and rebuild it. Not the cheapest option though.

Honestly as long as I have the discs I'm good. Playing them off a server is just a convenience thing really

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

Physical media market gets smaller, but it won't disappear completely. Just look at the LP industry. But it will get increasingly more niche. Limited releases could become the norm.

I believe in a cheap Kaleidescape, but it's not coming anytime soon. Not in the next 10 years. Maybe not even within the next 20 or 30. It depends on how long it will take for internet speed (for downloads of gigantic files, and higher-quality streaming as well) and storage capacity to get big and cheap enough, and I can't make any exact prediction about that. That's the big obstacle that music doesn't have, and why such services are common in music.

I believe the standard of UHD is still far better than blu-rays though, and it keeps getting better. The early years of blu-ray and DVD...

I don't even know anyone personally (friends, co-workers, and family) who even own a BD player let alone a UHD BD player. And none of the big companies are even making new players any longer. They all stream exclusively.

LP vs UHD BD - very different dynamics, reasons, and factors at play.

The $1.2 Billion Vinyl Industry's Rise, Fall and Rebirth, Explained | WSJ

The $1.2 Billion Vinyl Industry's Rise, Fall and Rebirth, Explained | WSJ - YouTube

[matbezlima]

My point is really just this: collectors are a very small, niche market. It's them who will keep UHDs alive. It's the demand, the video in fact makes that exact same point at the end for why LPs are here to stay. There is still a difference between something being an insanely small niche, and it actually disappearing completely.

I believe the biggest reason for the decline of physical media is not streaming, it's in the rise of the internet in general. People torrent films all the time, I was torrenting films many years before streaming, and I still torrent films. Regular blu-rays here in Brazil never took off, and UHD is pretty much non-existent (all of this is also partially because BD-Rs never got anywhere near as cheap as DVD-Rs, not being easy and common to pirate is almost a death blow here).

I will admit, though, that LPs have one advantage over UHDs, and it's the same advantage LPs have over CDs. LPs, as a pure collecting item, look far more appealing, specially their covers. A LP collection looks cool.

[matbezlima]

On Lawrence Of Arabia: I think Sony won't see Dolby Vision as the 4K equivalent to Superbit releases. We will see something different in the future, but I wouldn't count on seeing it now, it will take some years at least.

But it would be a fantastic surprise if this re-release has the super fine detail unfiltered. I don't think it will, but let's hope.

[d3nt0n]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I would say YOUR negativity was unnecessary. What I talked about came partly from experience. From the things I worry about. I don't back up my backups. I want to, but it's a lot more money.

My NAS was originally set up as RAID5, stupidly without a UPS. When the power went out again and again, data striped across the whole array was corrupted. I think most of it is fine, but I still find corruption from back then. The TV shows were too much work to rip, so I just keep most until I can find the video messing up. I was converting Sopranos' audio to FLAC two months ago when I found one of the videos messing up. Ended up deleting the whole terabyte of the show. Will probably delete Breaking Bad and The Shield as well after writing down the duration of each episode. I worry about their disc sleeves, though. Most of the movies I deleted as well and plan to back up again when I actually want to watch them, rather than risk a viewing being ruined.

Now I just keep those drives as separate volumes. No RAID.

Say it with me now...
RAID is not a backup

[matbezlima]

I'm thinking now about Pixar almost losing Toy Story 2 a not a few months before release. Someone accidentally typed a command to delete everything. They pulled the plug, but they lost most of the film. They tried the backup in the studio, but it had become corrupted!

What saved Pixar was one of the animators being pregnant. To help her work from her home, she was allowed to regularly backup the film to her personal computer!

[NotASpeckOfCereal]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Imagine having a 16 TB hard drive fail and having to rip all those movies again after figuring out which ones they were. Or imagine the 100+ TB being a RAID that gets corrupted and having to rip EVERYTHING again.

I wouldn't put that much work into such a project without a backup. Yes, two NAS (or two RAIDs, or two 16TB drives).

In fact, my most important volumes exist in triplicate (two backups, one offsite).

That said, my main NAS has had failed drives before and always recovered because it's RAID 6. I've never lost any data in that storage.

Chris

[matbezlima]

I think Sony will do a new scan and restoration of Lawrence later in this decade, or in the beginning of next decade, for a new release in 2027 or 2032. Technology to scan 70mm film has improved a lot.

While not 70mm, I think Sony will do a new scan someday of Doctor Strangelove as well, it's only a matter of how long it will take.

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by teddyballgame

Best way I've found so far is to build a TrueNAS server. If one of your drives dies you insert a new disk and have the survivors figure out what is missing and rebuild it. Not the cheapest option though.

Honestly as long as I have the discs I'm good. Playing them off a server is just a convenience thing really

I use TrueNas. But with separate volumes, no RAID. That redundancy you speak of is why I originally used RAID 5. But I think it just makes the entire array vulnerable, versus one hard drive failing. Also takes several days to expand an array with dozens of terabytes, presumably the same to rebuild. Better have a good UPS while doing that. I mean, should have one anyway.

[Captain Keen]

Originally Posted by matbezlima

I think Sony will do a new scan and restoration of Lawrence later in this decade, or in the beginning of next decade, for a new release in 2027 or 2032. Technology to scan 70mm film has improved a lot.

While not 70mm, I think Sony will do a new scan someday of Doctor Strangelove as well, it's only a matter of how long it will take.

I think you might be right. Though honestly, this film looks incredible on just regular ol blu ray. I’ve seen it twice presented on 70mm and the home presentation isn’t that far off, all things considered. This film has been wonderfully preserved.

[teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I use TrueNas. But with separate volumes, no RAID. That redundancy you speak of is why I originally used RAID 5. But I think it just makes the entire array vulnerable, versus one hard drive failing. Also takes several days to expand an array with dozens of terabytes, presumably the same to rebuild. Better have a good UPS while doing that. I mean, should have one anyway.

Yep, I'm using a z2 setup right now. Haven't experienced a failure yet in a few years but it's inevitable at some point I'll get to test how this actually works. The scary thing is when rebuilding the chances of another failure go up

Your method isn't bad at all, keeping the eggs from being all in one basket