List of UHDs that utilize 4K or Higher Masters

[ray0414]

Here's what trusted reviews thinks of those "2K sources".



"Panasonic had managed to secure early clips of the 4K HDR versions of both Mad Max: Fury Road and The Lego Movie, and despite the very different looks of each film, both looked sensational in a way we haven’t seen before. Not even with the best streamed 4K content.

There’s an immediate buzz to be had from simply seeing a well-mastered 4K image playing from disc onto Panasonic’s new TV. And then there’s the even stronger buzz you get from seeing not just HDR but HDR that’s been artfully graded to a standard that’s now finally properly established. Colours look spectacularly intense, and the brightest parts of the picture sparkle and pop with an intensity that makes everything seen from a disc before look hopelessly flat and dull.


Once you’ve soaked up the UB900’s most obvious and instant attractions, you also start to see more subtle pleasures. Such as exquisite amounts of greyscale and shadow detail in dark areas, a complete absence of colour striping and blocking, and a sense of solidity and depth that’s so intense it makes actual 3D feel unnecessary. (Which is pretty handy considering the Ultra HD Blu-ray format doesn’t support 3D!)*

Dark shots in The Lego Movie also underline the full extent of the contrast range you get with HDR, as black areas of extreme but natural depth share the screen with spectacularly bold and diverse colours – as well as the glinting reflections that remind you you’re watching a world made from plastic blocks.*"

Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/panaso...p-ub900-review

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Added Sicario, The Last Witch Hunter, and Expendables 3.

HD Goofnut,

You have Ender's Game on the list, but it was a 2k DI.

I imagine it will be converted like The Martian. The 2k fx will be upscaled to 4k and matched to the 4k extraction from the 5k camera elements. But I do not think that meets the criteria for your list.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by puddy77

HD Goofnut,

You have Ender's Game on the list, but it was a 2k DI.

I imagine it will be converted like The Martian. The 2k fx will be upscaled to 4k and matched to the 4k extraction from the 5k camera elements. But I do not think that meets the criteria for your list.

Fixed.

[Penton-Man]

just catching up with this thread. were some posts deleted? goofy, after seeing Finn’s tweet posted a few pages back, why isn’t the martian on your list? especially given the fact that sicario is.

imdb specs aside, is it not realized that in essence Fox is telling folks that the martian got a 4k di conforming color (in HDR) for the home deliverable???? i thought people would be very enthused to place it on the list?

vfx ^ to UHD rez
live action resized down to UHD rez
equals a 4K (UHD) master for the ultra hd blu

what's the problem?

[Geoff D]

Yup, I don't get it either. But then IIRC it's Goofnut who won't watch a 3D conversion out of principle, so maybe he feels the same way about these 4K do-overs, even though from what's been described re: The Martian it's now gone through the exact process as a great many actual 4K masters have done (upscaled VFX, full rez live action).

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

just catching up with this thread. were some posts deleted? goofy, after seeing Finn’s tweet posted a few pages back, why isn’t the martian on your list? especially given the fact that sicario is.

imdb specs aside, is it not realized that in essence Fox is telling folks that the martian got a 4k di conforming color (in HDR) for the home deliverable???? i thought people would be very enthused to place it on the list?

vfx ^ to UHD rez
live action resized down to UHD rez
equals a 4K (UHD) master for the ultra hd blu

what's the problem?

The Martian never was on the list yet. And what is wrong with Sicario?

If The Martian is a legit title, then I am sure Everest got the same treatment.

http://av-insider.de/martian-everest-edr

Dolby Vision requires/prefers to use RAW files. And those were ARRIRAW (3.4K) & Redcode RAW (6K). And this confirms my thoughts; studios had 4K in their minds from the beginning. Also it would be rather pointless to shoot 6K, and all scale it down to 2K after all. Yes, from a greater source you will always see benefits. But there is still something to say for. A lot of native resolution would have gone to the bin.

Only out of budget reasons and 3D, the VFX effects were done at 2K.

And it's pretty safe to say, that Dolby Vision HDR content will be 4K, because of the RAW usage and they don't grade in 2K.

Same goes for The Walk, which can be found in Sony's 4K Streaming Services now. I am sure, Sony isn't that stupid here either.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yup, I don't get it either. But then IIRC it's Goofnut who won't watch a 3D conversion out of principle, so maybe he feels the same way about these 4K do-overs, even though from what's been described re: The Martian it's now gone through the exact process as a great many actual 4K masters have done (upscaled VFX, full rez live action).

I am sure, that is not what Goof is thinking. Goof has a lot of topics to maintain, you can't keep everything up.

[Geoff D]

Sure, if Goofnut just hasn't got around to adding it then that's fair enough, I'll shut up about it.

As for your first point I'm not sure that most studios had "4K in mind from the beginning" at all. If everything these last few years was being shot on >4K then you'd have a point, but the overwhelmingly popularity of Alexa suggests otherwise (FYI the 3.4K Open Gate feature is quite a recent development). Yeah, people will say 'becuz 3D hobbled everything to 2K' but Alexa's been used for plenty of flat 2K finishes too and when 4K nuts like Sony agreed to use Alexa and uprez it to 4K (Skyfall) that kinda proves that it's about more than sheer numbers. That they're able to go back and rebuild some stuff in 4K from >4K acquisition is more like dumb ****ing luck than some amazing act of foresight IMO.

[edit] Still, that they're doing 4K rebuilds at all is fantastic because I thought it'd be years before it became commonplace, the irony being that resolution-independent HDR is what's giving them the reason to revisit the camera acquisition and snaffle up those higher res originals.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure, if Goofnut just hasn't got around to adding it then that's fair enough, I'll shut up about it.

As for your first point I'm not sure that most studios had "4K in mind from the beginning" at all. If everything these last few years was being shot on >4K then you'd have a point, but the overwhelmingly popularity of Alexa suggests otherwise (FYI the 3.4K Open Gate feature is quite a recent development). Yeah, people will say 'becuz 3D hobbled everything to 2K' but Alexa's been used for plenty of flat 2K finishes too and when 4K nuts like Sony agreed to use Alexa and uprez it to 4K (Skyfall) that kinda proves that it's about more than sheer numbers. That they're able to go back and rebuild some stuff in 4K from >4K acquisition is more like dumb ****ing luck than some amazing act of foresight IMO.

[edit] Still, that they're doing 4K rebuilds at all is fantastic because I thought it'd be years before it became commonplace, the irony being that resolution-independent HDR is what's giving them the reason to revisit the camera acquisition and snaffle up those higher res originals.

So, were you saying further up that The Martian needs to be in the list even though it only received a 2K DI?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

So, were you saying further up that The Martian needs to be in the list even though it only received a 2K DI?

Is this not the same situation as spiderman tho?

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

So, were you saying further up that The Martian needs to be in the list even though it only received a 2K DI?

Could be worth noting these "4k rebuilds" with an asterisk.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yup, I don't get it either. But then IIRC it's Goofnut who won't watch a 3D conversion out of principle, so maybe he feels the same way about these 4K do-overs, even though from what's been described re: The Martian it's now gone through the exact process as a great many actual 4K masters have done (upscaled VFX, full rez live action).

Bingo

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

The Martian never was on the list yet. And what is wrong with Sicario?

Finally back on a keyboard in which I can type. I had thought that after reading goofy’s post about ‘fixing’ Ender’s Game to the poster in post # 222 just above, he had already rendered a decision (and rejected) The Martian…..a nomination that was presented pages ago by Benjamin or ray?

Nothing at all wrong if you want to place Sicario on *the list* but The Martian is a ‘pure-er’ 4K pedigree if you will because of the cameras used.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

http://av-insider.de/martian-everest-edr

That’s a fluff article….you want ‘inside’ info? Your country is scheduled to receive a SMPTE DCP (which is a very rare bird) for a feature film in the next couple weeks.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Dolby Vision requires/prefers to use RAW files. And those were ARRIRAW (3.4K) & Redcode RAW (6K). And this confirms my thoughts; studios had 4K in their minds from the beginning. Also it would be rather pointless to shoot 6K, and all scale it down to 2K after all. Yes, from a greater source you will always see benefits. But there is still something to say for. A lot of native resolution would have gone to the bin.

Only out of budget reasons and 3D, the VFX effects were done at 2K.

I’m familiar with the nuances of a DI using RAW, vfx and budgets…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post11671849

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

So, were you saying further up that The Martian needs to be in the list even though it only received a 2K DI?

It didn’t ‘only receive a 2K DI’…you people (home deliverable watchers) are getting a 4K color finish. I don’t know how else to explain it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

So, were you saying further up that The Martian needs to be in the list even though it only received a 2K DI?

Yes. Essentially, it's been rebuilt as pretty much any other original theatrical 4K finish would've been (outliers with 4K VFX like Tomorrowland aside) and because it was acquired at >4K res then there may also be a benefit in terms of sheer spatial resolution too (although my mind still boggles at how the stunning detail on the 1080p Blu-ray may actually be improved upon).

This isn't the same sort of thing as a 3D conversion whereby they're using their fancy tools to dimensionalise a flat image into something it's not, it's about going back to original camera capture (where available) and freshly harvesting detail that was originally shot to begin with. Sure, I'm not about to start assuming that everything finished in 2K has been rebuilt for UHD because (as with the 4K lists in the main forum) we needs proof - but we've got it with The Martian, so I contend that it should go on the list, m'lud.

[cms382]

If I had to guess one 2015 Disney release that would be a a launch title for them (whenever that might be), Tomorrowland would be it.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by cms382

If I had to guess one 2015 Disney release that would be a a launch title for them (whenever that might be), Tomorrowland would be it.

It's kinda all they have that would actually look great and use the format fully

[ray0414]

Im curious why pineapple express is in the list, yet has a 2k DI. Is it because it was filmed on 35MM?

Its crazy, would anyone actually buy pineapple express over the martian? ive seen both in HDR, and the martian by far is better quality than Pineapple Express. I also put The Martian ahead of hancock that also has a 4k DI too. I also put the Martian WAYY ahead of Mazerunner 1 that has a 4k DI. the DI is extremely misleading when it comes to these 4k discs!! Get my drift?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's kinda all they have that would actually look great and use the format fully

It's just a shame the film stank.