Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by mar3o

"A Man Wrecked His $750,000 Gemballa Mirage GT After Speeding Recklessly Through Manhattan"
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/man-...180502369.html

"Chen was arrested shortly after smashing the $750,000 Gemballa into the back of a parked minivan on Eleventh Avenue in East Midtown around 7:30 a.m. Though video shows that the car sustained major damage, that didn’t stop Chen, who continued south on Eleventh, crashing into even more parked cars before finally being pulled over by police near the intersection West 44th Street."

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

But once we reach the light at the end of the tunnel, what if the numbers end up no worse than a regular flu season?



There's hope at the end of that tunnel.

The number of deaths turns out to be no worse than a regular flu season. Then that will be a success attributed to containment.

[Moe Szyslak]

[Show spoiler]

[chip75]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Apparently you haven't heard of this thing called Crohn's disease?

Also, stress can trigger IBS.

My post really wasn't about medical conditions (some of which I suffer from), mate, just the general public potty habits in general.

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[chip75]

Originally Posted by mar3o

"A Man Wrecked His $750,000 Gemballa Mirage GT After Speeding Recklessly Through Manhattan"
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/man-...180502369.html

"Chen was arrested shortly after smashing the $750,000 Gemballa into the back of a parked minivan on Eleventh Avenue in East Midtown around 7:30 a.m. Though video shows that the car sustained major damage, that didn’t stop Chen, who continued south on Eleventh, crashing into even more parked cars before finally being pulled over by police near the intersection West 44th Street."

It probably won't make a difference, but I hope his insurance (and Porsche) doesn't reward that kind of behavior.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

The number of deaths turns out to be no worse than a regular flu season. Then that will be a success attributed to containment.

It's going to be way worse. It already is. Even with containment, hospitals resources are stretched thin. Has there ever been tent cities in Central park during a flu season? Has there ever been makeshift morgues with bodies lying in refrigerated trucks?

Many people are under the impression that containment isn't necessary, that government is going too far. If so, then why is nearly every government in the world doing it? Are they all stupid and some people think they are smarter then all these leaders and disease control experts?

They say, "look, it's not that bad, all this panic for nothing. Let's get back to work and end this nonsense". But as you said the ONLY reason why it's not as bad as was projected is because of containment. And once things really start to improve, then that containment can be lifted. But slowly, very slowly.

Herd immunity will not work for this virus. It's too contagious and too deadly. The economic disaster would be worse if we just went about our business and millions ended up dying in the space of several months or even a few years. No system could handle that rate of mortality, as if we were in a real war.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Joggers...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...oing-past-you/

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I don't know why you said "joggers". Most runners know about the rules of running, unless this if the first time they've ran since 1998. It's idiot pedestrians who pay no attention to anyone but themselves and just walk wherever they want.

Joggers run in place when they're waiting at traffic intersections. We runners just stand there with pissed off expressions on our faces.

That's the main difference.

[Gold Ranger]

Those of you in NY, would you be brave enough to go to The Park and get pictures of these supposed death camps?
It isn't that I don't trust the news, but I don't trust the news.
They've already shown themselves to lie, and not just during this outbreak.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Article says to stay 10m away from joggers.

The 10 meters applies only to being directly behind a jogger/runner. Especially if there's a headwind. Not passing side by side or a jogger behind you. I'm careful, especially with a headwind, to not cross over in their side until I'm well past them. Some runners aren't, which makes it look bad for the rest of us unfortunately.

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

There are morons out there who are STILL saying this virus isn't as bad - or is only as bad - as the Flu. Bull%#%#. You don't have people getting sick & dying to this extent of the regular Flu. And, yes - things would be a hell of a lot worse now if we didn't have the "shelter in place" rules - and even those were instituted too late in many cases. In fact, I still think there are areas in the U.S. where things are still not being done as much as they should be and/or enforced as much as they should be.

I have never underestimated this virus. And, it's obvious that that it's foolish for anyone to believe that it's anything other than what is being reported - i.e., a very dangerous new disease that affects young & old alike, but seems to primarily affect older folks/those with compromised immune systems (or both).

What's especially scary about this is that an asymptomatic person may have 0 symptoms (or very mild symptoms) and not even be aware they have it, but can still spread the virus to those who are at risk.

This brings to mind the Typhoid Mary case from the early 1900's in NY. But, instead of just one asymptomatic individual - this is happening on a global scale:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

While hate crimes against Asians continue to happen in NYC, apparently most of our cases actually originated in Europe...

Most NYC Covid-19 Cases Came From Europe, Genome Researchers Say

and where did Europe get it from

Originally Posted by mar3o

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-weigh...041410383.html

What worries me is if they allow asymptomatic people to return to work without proper testing, everything we have done so far could be for nothing and we end up right back where we started again.

The only proper way to do this is with tons of testing. We've still only tested a tiny part of the population so far. We can't allow people to start going back to work and living a semi-normal life until we are able to do more testing.

We have 15-minute tests now. But there aren't nearly enough to go around. Until there is, we have to be very careful.

Just saying, "well, you don't have a fever, and you aren't showing symptoms, so go ahead and go back to work" will be a disaster. We know you can spread it with zero symptoms. And with spring allergies right around the corner (I suffer big time with spring allergies), it will be hard to tell who's sick and who's just got allergies. We need to be able to test people. And people could be virus-free today and pick it up tomorrow, so we need frequent testing.

what we need is the antibody test that everyone can take at home and know within minutes if they have already had the virus. that is how we will all get back to normal without a vaccine

Originally Posted by mar3o

https://www.yahoo.com/news/says-no-h...184300796.html

WHO says there is no need for healthy people to wear face masks, days after the CDC told all Americans to cover their faces

This is starting to get ridiculous. I know we're learning as we go here, but how are we supposed to know waht to do when they keep changing what they're telling us?

"But new guidance from the World Health Organization released on Monday says healthy people don't need to wear face masks and that doing so won't provide added protection from the coronavirus."

not to mention the homemade masks do next to nothing, not to mention people just wearing bandanas. people are getting a false sense of security and likely getting more loose in their distancing etc.

but yes, its absolutely ridiculous how they keep flip flopping

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Covid 19 projections have improved, with fewer deaths projected by August (60,000 vs 82,000 before).

Also the IHME believes new cases have already peaked, based on a 5 day moving average. And that we'll see a peak in daily deaths by Sunday.

So maybe a flicker of light at the end of the tunnel?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/healt...day/index.html

not to sound dumb, but how do these experts figure out when a pandemic 'peaks' ?

also getting back to that jogger who came way too close, it still amazes me that while I couldn't see him, he came up from behind me, he decides that the 6 feet distance isn't something that he should adhere to - knowingly putting yourself that close to another person while you're huffing/puffing/sweating reeks of stupidty. Wisely crossing the street after to not get his airborne germs and funk was the next step.

has there been any numbers or news of crime spiking during this pandemic? I had my car broken into, they didn't take anything, cause there was nothing of value (or hand sanitizer or TP) in it.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

not to sound dumb, but how do these experts figure out when a pandemic 'peaks' ?

also getting back to that jogger who came way too close, it still amazes me that while I couldn't see him, he came up from behind me, he decides that the 6 feet distance isn't something that he should adhere to - knowingly putting yourself that close to another person while you're huffing/puffing/sweating reeks of stupidty.

has there been any numbers or news of crime spiking during this pandemic? I had my car broken into, they didn't take anything, cause there was nothing of value (or hand sanitizer or TP) in it.

in NYC, major crime is down but commercial burglaries are up and continue to rise...expect that to be a trend throughout the country with more and more people losing their jobs and getting desperate

[zman73]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I don't know why you said "joggers". Most runners know about the rules of running, unless this if the first time they've ran since 1998. It's idiot pedestrians who pay no attention to anyone but themselves and just walk wherever they want.

It's obvious he dislikes them with everything that is going on... like you mention most of us are courteous and give plenty of space. He mentions wanting to punch them a while back... never had one person get mad at me for wanting to remain healthy and keep in shape as I keep my distance

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

not to sound dumb, but how do these experts figure out when a pandemic 'peaks' ?

They use dynamic modeling and they constantly update it when new data come in. As they say, all models are wrong, but most are somewhat useful. The model overestimated the cases and death so far, so this adjustment may go the other way and underestimate. You never know, but models are all we have without a crystal ball. Anyway hopefully the cases and deaths peak very soon and start to decline. All the doom and gloom is getting too much and we need reason to hope.

[zman73]

I am aware according to those models its not going to be rosy in the near future but based on the rules in place things will catch up and we will start seeing the drops in the newer cases and deaths. Those models severely mispredicted my states future in regards to the virus but is seems to have improved over the last few updates from over 5000 deaths to around 600

I am doing my thing, going to work, eating well, exercising, getting plenty of sleep. I feel for those who have severe anxiety over this based on location, previous conditions.

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

and where did Europe get it from

Europeans got it from travelling to China and bringing it home and taking it to the US as did American travellers. Native 'Chinese' residents were the only ones stopped from going into the US when the supposed 'ban' came into effect. Chinese Americans and other Americans who had travelled to China were allowed in as were travellers from everywhere else in the world coming in from China.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

There are morons out there who are STILL saying this virus isn't as bad - or is only as bad - as the Flu. Bull%#%#. You don't have people getting sick & dying to this extent of the regular Flu. And, yes - things would be a hell of a lot worse now if we didn't have the "shelter in place" rules - and even those were instituted too late in many cases. In fact, I still think there are areas in the U.S. where things are still not being done as much as they should be and/or enforced as much as they should be.

I have never underestimated this virus. And, it's obvious that that it's foolish for anyone to believe that it's anything other than what is being reported - i.e., a very dangerous new disease that affects young & old alike, but seems to primarily affect older folks/those with compromised immune systems (or both).

What's especially scary about this is that an asymptomatic person may have 0 symptoms (or very mild symptoms) and not even be aware they have it, but can still spread the virus to those who are at risk.

This brings to mind the Typhoid Mary case from the early 1900's in NY. But, instead of just one asymptomatic individual - this is happening on a global scale:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

The CDC estimates this season's flu burden could be as high as 60,000+ deaths, so if by "bad" they're referring to death toll and not communicability, are the CDC morons? There have been 14,865 deaths listed in the US so far from COVID-19 and that represents all deaths where someone tested positive for the virus (as per Dr. Birx) which means that figure does not represent the virus causing death but rather someone dying who then tested positive for the virus or had already tested positive for the virus. What are the actual figures for deaths where symptoms of COVID-19 were present?

The Lancet says the following:

"Our estimated overall infection fatality ratio for China was 0·66%"
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...243-7/fulltext

That is very similar to seasonal flu, but seasonal flu has a high burden so why do people think it's marginalizing COVID-19 to compare it to something that kills tens of thousands of people annually in the US? It's not like saying "COVID-19 is like a knee scratch"



There are states that don't have shelter in place, please point out how much worse they are experiencing this than the other states.

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The CDC estimates this season's flu burden could be as high as 60,000+ deaths, so if by "bad" they're referring to death toll and not communicability, are the CDC morons? There have been 14,865 deaths listed in the US so far from COVID-19 and that represents all deaths where someone tested positive for the virus (as per Dr. Birx) which means that figure does not represent the virus causing death but rather someone dying who then tested positive for the virus or had already tested positive for the virus. What are the actual figures for deaths where symptoms of COVID-19 were present?

The Lancet says the following:

"Our estimated overall infection fatality ratio for China was 0·66%"
https://secure.jbs.elsevierhealth.co...sent?code=null

That is very similar to seasonal flu, but seasonal flu has a high burden so why do people think it's marginalizing COVID-19 to compare it to something that kills thousands of people annually? It's not like saying "COVID-19 is like a knee scratch"



There are states that don't have shelter in place, please point out how much worse they are experiencing this than the other states.

Yes 60,000 deaths over a 12 month period. This thing has hit nearly 15,000 in a few weeks and you are not even at its peak yet.

The 0.66 figure for China is because they went into total lockdown pretty quickly and their lockdown was MUCH and still is harsher than ours.

[Batman1980]

*me driving back from a trip to Wal-Mart to get Scrub Daddies, do a bit of banking at a Wells Fargo ATM and gas the car for the first time in forever and seeing morons with poop eating grins walking in the street next to the sidewalk*