Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Kaiju]

A mandatory vaccine for a virus that has a 99% survival rate... makes sense.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

No one on here is weirded out by how mRNA actually works???

An article addressing this (somewhat)..

Also debunks some claims, however, regarding tracking implants in injections:

"It has not been rolled out yet"

'Yet' being the key word...

https://www.bbc.com/news/54893437

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Kaiju

A mandatory vaccine for a virus that has a 99% survival rate... makes sense.

Without a vaccine we've experienced nearly 300,000 dead & counting, with records consistently now being set & broken concerning deaths per day & hospitalizations, including in ICU units. Many health care systems across the country are again suspending/postponing elective surgeries & other treatments/services due to a massive influx of COVID-19 patients. Additional space is also being created in some areas, including field hospitals, due to the system becoming overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases.

Doctors, nurses, therapists, administrators & scientists have been pleading, some even begging us for weeks & months to please follow guidelines & do our part to mitigate spread, because of exactly what is going on right now. And what is the response of millions of Americans? We see them traveling across the country, way too many not wearing masks & not physically distancing.

Look, all of these health care workers are worn out, both physically & mentally due to being overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases & they're begging us to cooperate. It's painfully obvious that without a vaccine this situation will continue to worsen because apparently, way too many people just don't care. Herd immunity through vaccination is the way to go. Herd immunity through widespread infection would result in millions of unnecessary deaths, which is not only just plain stupid, it's also morally repugnant & unethical.

Is there something about all of this that you just don't understand?

[Kaiju]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

Without a vaccine we've experienced nearly 300,000 dead & counting, with records consistently now being set & broken concerning deaths per day & hospitalizations, including in ICU units. Many health care systems across the country are again suspending/postponing elective surgeries & other treatments/services due to a massive influx of COVID-19 patients. Additional space is also being created in some areas, including field hospitals, due to the system becoming overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases.

Doctors, nurses, therapists, administrators & scientists have been pleading, some even begging us for weeks & months to please follow guidelines & do our part to mitigate spread, because of exactly what is going on right now. And what is the response of millions of Americans? We see them traveling across the country, way too many not wearing masks & not physically distancing.

Look, all of these health care workers are worn out, both physically & mentally due to being overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases & they're begging us to cooperate. It's painfully obvious that without a vaccine this situation will continue to worsen because apparently, way too many people just don't care. Herd immunity through vaccination is the way to go. Herd immunity through widespread infection would result in millions of unnecessary deaths, which is not only just plain stupid, it's also morally repugnant & unethical.

Is there something about all of this that you just don't understand?

I respect your stance, but I just don't feel the same. Call me what you will, but I'm of the opinion that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion for political reasons. I don't buy anything the MSM has to say about the subject. I've changed how I consume news in the past few months, and honestly, I wish more people would, because MSM is untrustworthy, and untruthful.

Dr. James Lyons-Weiler | PA Medical Freedom Press Conference ( 20 okt 2020 ) - YouTube

Watch that video. Let it sink in. I will never take a vaccine for this.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Kaiju

I respect your stance, but I just don't feel the same. Call me what you will, but I'm of the opinion that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion for political reasons. I don't buy anything the MSM has to say about the subject. I've changed how I consume news in the past few months, and honestly, I wish more people would, because MSM is untrustworthy, and untruthful. Watch that video. Let it sink in. I will never take a vaccine for this.

The person in that video is Dr. James Lyons-Weiler. On February 3rd, 2020, Dr. James Lyons-Weiler made an online statement in which he claimed the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) responsible for the ongoing COVID-19 epidemic was most likely constructed via laboratory recombination. In the results, he showed SARS-CoV-2 had a unique inserted sequence (1378 bp) located in the middle of its spike glycoprotein gene that had no match in other coronaviruses. Furthermore, he claimed this unique sequence was similar to some sequence in pShuttle-SN, a common expression vector used in research laboratory.

In March of 2020, a rebuttal to Dr. Lyons-Weiler's claims was published. The rebuttal concluded that the so-called unique sequence (1387 bp) in the SARS-CoV-2 spike gene was widely available in coronavirus from natural source, opposite to what James Lyons-Weiler had claimed. The pShuttle-SN plasmid contained a fragment from the spike gene of SARS-nCoV, which caused the similarity match between it and the SARS-CoV-2 spike gene sequence. From what I've read, Dr. Lyons-Weiler's claims were unsupported by facts. Therefore, his claims were misleading in the least. I don't trust people that are misleading, or worse, deliberate liars. Dr. James Lyons-Weiler hasn't demonstrated that I should trust what he says. He's already been proven wrong concerning his previous claims. It's quite possible, maybe even probable, the he's just another conspiracy theorist.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well done randomized, control trial on the use of convalescent plasma published last week in the NEJM -
A Randomized Trial of Convalescent Plasma in Covid-19 Severe Pneumonia
https://www.nejm.org/action/cookieAbsent
concluded –

In our trial, the use of convalescent plasma therapy in addition to standard treatment in patients with severe pneumonia due to Covid-19 did not reduce mortality or improve other clinical outcomes at day 30 as compared with placebo. We believe the use of convalescent plasma as a standard of care in such patients should be reevaluated. Further studies regarding antibody therapy may be best focused on other populations or on interventions with other types of preparations, such as intravenous immunoglobulin or anti–SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies.

I posted that two months ago. It's a little easier to use hindsight with new information. BTW, You still didn't answer the question at the time of me posting it back then.

How about we wait for the FDA trials (full trial results, not just EUA) before using NEJM studies in 333 patients? Of both regeneron and plasma.

Both regeneron and plasma received EUAs from the FDA. Both were in experimental EUAs from the FDA when I posted.

original post:

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

*eyebrow rises from seeing my name*

No, actually I wonder why you're positive on this experimental treatment (regeneron) and against a different experimental treatment (plasma).

The only difference I can see is that you've taken regeneron and not plasma.

[Kaiju]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

The person in that video is Dr. James Lyons-Weiler. On February 3rd, 2020, Dr. James Lyons-Weiler made an online statement in which he claimed the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) responsible for the ongoing COVID-19 epidemic was most likely constructed via laboratory recombination. In the results, he showed SARS-CoV-2 had a unique inserted sequence (1378 bp) located in the middle of its spike glycoprotein gene that had no match in other coronaviruses. Furthermore, he claimed this unique sequence was similar to some sequence in pShuttle-SN, a common expression vector used in research laboratory.

In March of 2020, a rebuttal to Dr. Lyons-Weiler's claims was published. The rebuttal concluded that the so-called unique sequence (1387 bp) in the SARS-CoV-2 spike gene was widely available in coronavirus from natural source, opposite to what James Lyons-Weiler had claimed. The pShuttle-SN plasmid contained a fragment from the spike gene of SARS-nCoV, which caused the similarity match between it and the SARS-CoV-2 spike gene sequence. From what I've read, Dr. Lyons-Weiler's claims were unsupported by facts. Therefore, his claims were misleading in the least. I don't trust people that are misleading, or worse, deliberate liars. Dr. James Lyons-Weiler hasn't demonstrated that I should trust what he says. He's already been proven wrong concerning his previous claims. It's quite possible, maybe even probable, the he's just another conspiracy theorist.

Did you miss the part where he mentions he was bribed to change his stance? Did you even watch the video? Of course there would be an effort to discredit him.

I think I'll just avert my eyes from this thread, officially. When politicians like Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Hancock, Steve Hadler, etc. are all employing rules for the rest of us that they themselves are breaking, you have to wonder if this whole "pandemic" is complete bullshit... here's a hint: it is. Until you see that, I can't help you.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Kaiju

Did you miss the part where he mentions he was bribed to change his stance? Did you even watch the video? Of course there would be an effort to discredit him.

I think I'll just avert my eyes from this thread, officially. When politicians like Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Hancock, Steve Hadler, etc. are all employing rules for the rest of us that they themselves are breaking, you have to wonder if this whole "pandemic" is complete bullshit... here's a hint: it is. Until you see that, I can't help you.

Yes, I watched it. Bribe? What bribe? Is that just another unsubstantiated claim, mere hearsay? Can he prove it with evidence? Email? Text? Phone conversation recording? Until then it's just words from the mouth of a person that has already been previously proven to be untruthful.

The people that did the opposite of what they told the American public not to do were all called out on it this morning on a major news program. Some have already apologized, but that doesn't excuse their behavior in my eyes.

I never asked for your help in seeing anything, so I have no idea where you got that from.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kaiju

A mandatory vaccine for a virus that has a 99% survival rate... makes sense.

A person in the U.S. is now dying of COVID-19 at a rate of one every minute….or less.
As to the MSN video, the particular news outlet is irrelevant in this case. What’s important is that the guest who was interviewed (be it on MSN, a local news station, wherever), was in this case Dr. Lipkin who has considerable experience and is well respected in the field - https://www.publichealth.columbia.ed...aculty/wil2001

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

I posted that two months ago. It's a little easier to use hindsight with new information.

Study was published this week. However, 2 months ago and before, intensivists in local medical centers (UCI, St. Joe’s, St. Jude’s) in your county….O.C., after highly publicized initial reports, were just not seeing significant value to the use of convalescent plasma. Point being, this randomized control trial further validates the individual clinical experiences from 2 months ago when we first had this discussion. EUA decision for convalescent plasma was premature.

Personally, I feel Dr. Hahn (of FDA) was pressured by outside non-medical people to announce it.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Kaiju

I respect your stance, but I just don't feel the same. Call me what you will, but I'm of the opinion that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion for political reasons. I don't buy anything the MSM has to say about the subject. I've changed how I consume news in the past few months, and honestly, I wish more people would, because MSM is untrustworthy, and untruthful.

Dr. James Lyons-Weiler | PA Medical Freedom Press Conference ( 20 okt 2020 ) - YouTube

Watch that video. Let it sink in. I will never take a vaccine for this.

The MSM is indeed a joke...a certain outgoing President (despite whatever other faults) is bang on in his disdain for them.

And yes, they tend to trend alarmist when it comes to Covid...but unlike with doing their part in overthrowing a sitting President, I don't believe there's any hidden agenda on their part when it comes to Covid.

[Pondosinatra]

What can you expect when you get the vaccine...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/healt...cts/index.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

What can you expect when you get the vaccine...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/healt...cts/index.html

To elaborate a bit more. A vaccinated patient gets a little protection even with the first dose. The majority of protection against COVID-19 coming at about 7-10 days after the first dose.

[dublinbluray108]

There's been a problem highlighted by health authorities in Dublin; Ireland about the reporting of new Covid cases this evening.

RTÉ News has reported that the main computer system that is used to report on the daily covid cases & deaths has been the victim of a computer glitch which has resulted in the under reporting of 100 cases. The problem came to light when figures of 183 cases were announced this evening which was the lowest numbers of cases in the Rep.of Ireland since October of this year. There will a further update to be given tomorrow to see how the actual case numbers are doing because the figures being noted today are not reliable to track the real time trends of the virus.

Re: Covid Vaccines

The HSE CEO in Ireland has made the announcement today that the Covid vaccines should realistically begin to roll out to at risk groups in Ireland from early January. The HSE have said they will have capacity to supply about 16 million vaccines if & when they are needed. 9 ultra low temperature refrigerators have been purchased by the HSE to store the vaccines when they arrive in Ireland with more being purchased when needed. The ultra low refrigeration facilities have capacity to store 200,000 vaccine doses each which is a maximum of 1.8 million doses if 9 fridges are purchased.

These ultra low fridges must have come from a high end medical manufacturing facility. I cannot get the name of the manufacturer for them yet.

[MrHT]

This is excruciatingly frustrating. We saw this second wave coming even before the Fall started yet we did nothing to prevent it from happening.... and lo and behold, cases are worse than ever. And all the news has to say is that the worse has yet to come. Ok, well can we do something about it??? I feel like world has given up and is just accepting the fact the virus cannot be controlled. But that's far from the truth and that's why it gets me upset sometimes. Can we please wake up and fix this pandemic??!!

[Penton-Man]

from olden times -
https://www.neh.gov/article/elvis-pr...io-vaccination

flashing forward to modern times, as to another viable pathway (in addition to that of featuring high profile people, like ^ celebrities, sports figures, past Presidents, etc.) to educate and encourage everyone to get COVID-19 vaccinated, Columbia public health is exploring with filmmakers to having everyday common folks in peoples’ neighborhoods like bus drivers, supermarket employees, etc. to be highlighted in public service announcements promoting the vaccines

[Batman1980]

The Department of Defense on Wednesday released the first images of a COVID-19 vaccination record card and vaccination kits. The cards will be sent out as part of vaccination kits from Operation Warp Speed, the U.S. government’s coronavirus vaccine initiative.

US virus deaths top 3,100 in a single day for the first time
“Everyone will be issued a written card that they can put in their wallet that will tell them what they had and when their next dose is due,” Dr. Kelly Moore, associate director of the Immunization Action Coalition, said in a CNN report.

The CDC issued a COVID-19 Vaccination Program Interim Playbook stating, “For most COVID-19 vaccine products, two doses of vaccine, separated by 21 or 28 days, will be needed. Because different COVID-19 vaccine products will not be interchangeable, a vaccine recipient’s second dose must be from the same manufacturer as their first dose.”

Source - KRQE.com

[ltb2.0]

Is it okay if I share the relevant articles in here about how my state is dealing with this?

I feel sorry for the Governor, he's trying desperately to reason with people and get them to voluntarily save themselves. He's gonna have to do what he's been trying to avoid.

Gov. Little: Idaho 'at a precipice' with COVID threatening economic gains

“I ask for your support in helping to slow the spread of this dangerous virus in our communities,” Little told the audience. “We all need to wear masks in public, keep our distance from others not in our household, and we cannot relent in those efforts.”

He added, “Sadly in Idaho, we’ve lost today nearly 1,000 of our fellow Idahoans to COVID-19, compared to a few dozen Idahoans who die from flu complications every year. Thousands of Idahoans of all ages have been hospitalized, and in fact, 40 percent of the people hospitalized because of COVID are in their 40s and 50s or younger.”

The state just isn't listening to reason. I just don't understand when science became akin to witchcraft and heresy.

The next article deals directly with my corner of the state.

Two deaths, 221 new COVID-19 cases identified in Southeast Idaho on Wednesday

The newly announced cases include 146 in Bannock County, 50 in Bingham County, eight in Oneida County, five in Bear Lake County, four each in Franklin and Power counties, three in Caribou County and one in Butte County.

That's home. And people still think it's a hoax.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

A person in the U.S. is now dying of COVID-19 at a rate of one every minute….or less.
As to the MSN video, the particular news outlet is irrelevant in this case. What’s important is that the guest who was interviewed (be it on MSN, a local news station, wherever), was in this case Dr. Lipkin who has considerable experience and is well respected in the field - https://www.publichealth.columbia.ed...aculty/wil2001

Yesterday was two US citizens per every single one minute ... 2,880 ... or one person every 30 seconds.

In the world it's one person every 7 seconds ... 12,342 ... December 2020.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

The person in that video is Dr. James Lyons-Weiler. On February 3rd, 2020, Dr. James Lyons-Weiler made an online statement in which he claimed the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) responsible for the ongoing COVID-19 epidemic was most likely constructed via laboratory recombination. In the results, he showed SARS-CoV-2 had a unique inserted sequence (1378 bp) located in the middle of its spike glycoprotein gene that had no match in other coronaviruses. Furthermore, he claimed this unique sequence was similar to some sequence in pShuttle-SN, a common expression vector used in research laboratory.

In March of 2020, a rebuttal to Dr. Lyons-Weiler's claims was published. The rebuttal concluded that the so-called unique sequence (1387 bp) in the SARS-CoV-2 spike gene was widely available in coronavirus from natural source, opposite to what James Lyons-Weiler had claimed. The pShuttle-SN plasmid contained a fragment from the spike gene of SARS-nCoV, which caused the similarity match between it and the SARS-CoV-2 spike gene sequence. From what I've read, Dr. Lyons-Weiler's claims were unsupported by facts. Therefore, his claims were misleading in the least. I don't trust people that are misleading, or worse, deliberate liars. Dr. James Lyons-Weiler hasn't demonstrated that I should trust what he says. He's already been proven wrong concerning his previous claims. It's quite possible, maybe even probable, the he's just another conspiracy theorist.

That report ...

⚕ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144200/