I would agree, it's very, very suspicious... how on earth does anyone not have anything better to do with their time than coming up with tinfoil conspiracy theories. Really mistifying.
I hope they do the same at my neighborhood Costco. Every time I drive by it on the way home, there is a long line outside waiting to get in the store. If they clear out the general merchandise for more essential items, then the lines might go away since people shopping for both will be spending less time in the store, and those just standing in line for non-essentials won't go there at all. In the meantime, I'm not going there to waste time in a long queue and will just pay extra for the stuff I normally buy at Safeway (haven't seen a line there yet).
The Costco near me was limiting the number of people in the store at any given time to allow for social distancing thus the lines out side. Once they reach their limit they're only allowing one person in for every person that leaves. The parking lot of the Costco has always been packed on a normal day before this virus.
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Originally Posted by BluBonnet
1. If the experts give different estimates based on different calculations, it's not the media "creating fear and panic" - it's literally shooting the messenger. Those projection by the experts on viral diseases are good- faith estimates that should be used to plan accordingly. And also, to realize the severity of the situation.
It's more about responsible journalism, but that was thrown out the window long ago.
I would agree, it's very, very suspicious... how on earth does anyone not have anything better to do with their time than coming up with tinfoil conspiracy theories. Really mistifying.
Your right, let's just mindlessly consume everything in the frequently proven-to-be lying mainstream media and scoff at anyone who thinks that this is being spun and politicised for every party's individual goals.
I hate to say this, but I agree with this policy. Too many people here in the U.S. are disregarding the "shelter in place" doctrine & are still out congregating, partying, etc. So, screw them. People like that are the main reason this virus is still spreading.
This is not a joke nor should it be taken lightly. This virus is getting people seriously sick & in some cases killing them. And, if they survive, they may have permanent health problems.
In other words, the U.S. needs to lock this $#%$ down, pronto.
Bruce I can't access that article; do you have another source?
Or, can you copy and paste the title of the article...that way I will find that article...Reddit, Quora or Twitter, etc.
Bruce I can't access that article; do you have another source?
Or, can you copy and paste the title of the article...that way I will find that article...Reddit, Quora or Twitter, etc.
Not sure what Bruce's Bloomberg link was, but here are a few others from Bloomberg:
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says
Urns in Wuhan Prompt New Questions of Virus’s Toll
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll
I hate to say this, but I agree with this policy. Too many people here in the U.S. are disregarding the "shelter in place" doctrine & are still out congregating, partying, etc. So, screw them. People like that are the main reason this virus is still spreading.
This is not a joke nor should it be taken lightly. This virus is getting people seriously sick & in some cases killing them. And, if they survive, they may have permanent health problems.
In other words, the U.S. needs to lock this $#%$ down, pronto.
First comes drones, then comes the shock collars from Running Man...
“The Intelligence Community has warned about the threat from highly pathogenic influenza viruses for two decades at least. They have warned about coronaviruses for at least five years"
I just started watching Pandemic on Netflix yesterday. It's almost prophetic how well.some.of.the scenarios shown are, especially the simulation in NYC the beginning.
Anyone else really reflected on the value of a dollar lately? Haven't purchased any movies in about a month and so I've been going through old stockpile lately mostly to realize I probably didn't really 'need' them other than the favorites and films with sentimental value. It's still kind of interesting to me how routinely I've gone out and made frivolous purchases in the past whereas over the last few weeks we've really only gone out for the basic essentials like food we can cook at home. We rarely have gotten take out food even though there are tons of places within walking distance. I can kind of see the appeal of minimalism.
I have a feeling local government and the manufacturing plants are about to butt heads. 5 cases in my town at the moment. An emergency city council meeting concerning a stay-in-place order was announced, then quickly cancelled this evening. Rescheduled for Friday.
My plant can't simply shut down. We have coolers full of raw and finished product. Not to mention trucks delivering and picking up said products. It would take take two weeks or more to even think about closing the doors.
Thing is, we had one case last week, now five. How soon 25? 100?
Sure - because Walmart also sells home repair items, like my toilet repair kit, lightbulbs, AC/Heater filters etc.
IMO - it's too much of a draconian move. There will be push back.
Hmm, I didn’t know Walmart was in the business of selling appliances in the event one of mine conked out. I have no current need to go to a Home Depot or Lowe’s, but I know of there that may need them. Walmart doesn’t sell everything. I avoid them too during this.
Bruce I can't access that article; do you have another source?
Or, can you copy and paste the title of the article...that way I will find that article...Reddit, Quora or Twitter, etc.
I just went ahead and copied most of the text for convenience (while still linking to the article).
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China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The officials asked not to be identified because the report is secret, and they declined to detail its contents. But the thrust, they said, is that China’s public reporting on cases and deaths is intentionally incomplete. Two of the officials said the report concludes that China’s numbers are fake.
The report was received by the White House last week, one of the officials said.
China Seals Borders to Most Foreigners Starting Saturday
Airport employees wear full body protective suits at Pudong International Airport in Shanghai on March 28.Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg
The outbreak began in China’s Hubei province in late 2019, but the country has publicly reported only about 82,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. That compares to more than 189,000 cases and more than 4,000 deaths in the U.S., which has the largest publicly reported outbreak in the world.
Communications staff at the White House and the Chinese embassy in Washington didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
“The reality is that we could have been better off if China had been more forthcoming,” Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday on CNN. “What appears evident now is that long before the world learned in December that China was dealing with this, and maybe as much as a month earlier than that, that the outbreak was real in China.
While China eventually imposed a strict lockdown beyond those of less autocratic nations, there has been considerable skepticism toward China’s reported numbers, both outside and within the country. The Chinese government has repeatedly revised its methodology for counting cases, for weeks excluding people without symptoms entirely, and only on Tuesday added more than 1,500 asymptomatic cases to its total.
Stacks of thousands of urns outside funeral homes in Hubei province have driven public doubt in Beijing’s reporting.
Republican lawmakers in the U.S. have been particularly harsh about China’s role in the outbreak. Enhancing Beijing’s role in the pandemic could be politically helpful to President Donald Trump, who has sought to shift blame for the U.S. outbreak away from his administration’s delays in achieving widespread testing for the virus and mobilizing greater production of supplies such as face masks and hospital ventilators.
“The claim that the United States has more coronavirus deaths than China is false,” Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican, said in a statement after Bloomberg News published its report. “Without commenting on any classified information, this much is painfully obvious: The Chinese Communist Party has lied, is lying, and will continue to lie about coronavirus to protect the regime.”
Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House on its response to the outbreak, said Tuesday that China’s public reporting influenced assumptions elsewhere in the world about the nature of the virus.
“The medical community made -- interpreted the Chinese data as: This was serious, but smaller than anyone expected,” she said at a news conference on Tuesday. “Because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data, now that what we see happened to Italy and see what happened to Spain.”
China isn’t the only country with suspect public reporting. Western officials have pointed to Iran, Russia, Indonesia and especially North Korea, which has not reported a single case of the disease, as probable under-counts. Others including Saudi Arabia and Egypt may also be playing down their numbers.
U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo has publicly urged China and other nations to be transparent about their outbreaks. He has repeatedly accused China of covering up the extent of the problem and being slow to share information, especially in the weeks after the virus first emerged, and blocking offers of help from American experts.
“This data set matters,” he said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. The development of medical therapies and public-health measures to combat the virus “so that we can save lives depends on the ability to have confidence and information about what has actually transpired,” he said.
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