Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Receipts are handled only twice - once for a couple seconds by the cashier and then by you when you take it. Money is handled and exchanged over and over and over again.

Fair, but wouldn’t it still seem no more dangerous than those who cannot use contactless cards and are stuck mashing the pin keys?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by veritas

Masks won’t help very much if people are going to be shoulder to shoulder without social distancing. Most of the masks people wear also do very little in terms of protecting oneself and are more protect others a bit.

Personally I think they should have just shut it all down for like a month or 2 with no construction, no retail, no manufacturing, no restaurants... just hospitals grocery stores, pharmacy’s, delivery and essential manufacturing of goods like masks food etc that you need to permission to be open for. As we currently are we are running at like 40% for 2 months and we will need to continue for a undetermined time when we could have been done with the quarantine by now if we had shit it down at a level similar to China. These half measures will just draw it out over years rather then spreading theeconmic pain evenly for a couple of months.

One thing for sure - we need to be very careful how we open things back up again, or we'll just be facing round two. We can't just flip a switch and open it back up again all at once. And we need to play things very carefully in the coming months. Things like handshaking will be discouraged, and I worry about the upcoming allergy season - people are already getting dirty looks from crowds just for sneezing with their allergies. I'm as scared of the public as I am about the virus. I get spring allergies bad. I can't imagine going into a store and then having an allergy attack in this climate. Plus, what if somebody is infected, and also has allergies? Them sneezing their heads off will certainly increase the chances of spreading it around wherever they are.

[darkness2918]

Originally Posted by neoz

I just shave my head. It is free.

I’m about to do the same lol it’s easier to just take it all off.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

ok, ill bite....

the reason i say its a ridiculous statistic is because the "test" is incomplete, therefore meaningless. the sample size you are getting 38% from is so minuscule, the mention of it is clearly only used to push your stance on something. it literally tells us nothing. if those numbers hold up over time, then sure, you'll have a leg to stand on but until then, throwing out numbers like that is irresponsible and also meaningless. also, as you mentioned, the majority of people getting tested are very bad cases for the most part which in turn have a much higher chance of dying from Covid in general, otherwise, they would bt told to stay home and self quarantine and not even get tested. so, stats without perspective are pointless. need to look at everything from all angles are draw conclusions, not just take a tiny fraction and deduce from them

I know I shouldn't bother at this point, but that 38% number I came up with last week is also reported on this page, using the exact same methodology. Like I said, it's basic math.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


As of right now:

Coronavirus Cases: 583,870
Deaths: 23,485
Recovered: 35,755

Closed Cases - 59,240 (Cases which had an outcome):
35,755 (60%) Recovered / Discharged
23,485 (40%) Deaths

This is all direct from their site, posted just like this.

Are you through now?

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by mar3o

This should be the absolutely least of our worries. I'm needing one too soon and it's the last thing I'm worrying about. It's not ludicrous that barber shops and hairdressers are closed. That's a perfect place for this to spread as there is direct contact with one person's hand touching another person's face/head, and people being in close-proximity for a good amount of time.

Yeah, true. The last time I got a haircut was March 20th, which was the day before he was forced to close. When I went that day, my barber was wearing face mask, but yet wasn't washing his hands nor sterilizing his tools between customers. Yeah, that face mask ain't gonna do no good in this case of you ain't sanitizing between customers!

Now that I think about, I'm not sure if I really want to step foot into a barbershop when they re-open. It just doesn't seem safe and probably the easiest place for the virus to spread.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by veritas

Masks won’t help very much if people are going to be shoulder to shoulder without social distancing. Most of the masks people wear also do very little in terms of protecting oneself and are more protect others a bit.

Personally I think they should have just shut it all down for like a month or 2 with no construction, no retail, no manufacturing, no restaurants... just hospitals grocery stores, pharmacy’s, delivery and essential manufacturing of goods like masks food etc that you need to permission to be open for. As we currently are we are running at like 40% for 2 months and we will need to continue for a undetermined time when we could have been done with the quarantine by now if we had shit it down at a level similar to China. These half measures will just draw it out over years rather then spreading theeconmic pain evenly for a couple of months.

Most in construction don't work shoulder to shoulder and masks do help. It's amazing that people are just brushing off the devastating effects on the economy like it's nothing. When shutdowns go on for a few more months, a lot of people are going to change their tune.

Fortunately though the powers that be do have to look at the big picture and not just a part of it. And with the curve flattening sooner than expected, I'm cautiously optimistic that, at least in construction, it will be allowed to resume sooner rather than later. It's one of the first restrictions being removed in Italy.

[bruceames]

Also I wonder if herd immunity is the only way in some of these poorer and dense countries. Social distancing is impossible there. And reports of people desperate for food because they can't get out to work for their day's supply of food and reports of stampedes when food aid does arrive. Meanwhile, we complain here because we "only" get a $1200 stimulus check and can't get a haircut?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I know I shouldn't bother at this point, but that 38% number I came up with last week is also reported on this page, using the exact same methodology. Like I said, it's basic math.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


As of right now:

Coronavirus Cases: 583,870
Deaths: 23,485
Recovered: 35,755

Closed Cases - 59,240 (Cases which had an outcome):
35,755 (60%) Recovered / Discharged
23,485 (40%) Deaths

This is all direct from their site, posted just like this.

Are you through now?

That 38% is meaningless because only 10% of the cases have had an outcome. Eventually it's going fall into the lower single digits like South Korea and a few other countries with a longer case history. Just a few weeks ago it was over 70%.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I don't think anyone who is older than 30 (and *ahem* especially in this case 40) should be using the phrase "so 15 minutes ago."

seriously though, Facebook to the younger current generation is a social media outlet that is outdated and served its purpose, that's not new news.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

seriously though, Facebook to the younger current generation is a social media outlet that is outdated and served its purpose, that's not new news.

Ya only old people use Facebook these days. Which I'm ok with.

Damn millenials.

[bruceames]

What do the millenials use? Probably something under the FB umbrella.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

That 38% is meaningless because only 10% of the cases have had an outcome. Eventually it's going fall into the lower single digits like South Korea and a few other countries with a longer case history. Just a few weeks ago it was over 70%.

Well I wouldn't call that meaningless. I've watched that number for 2 weeks and it's hovered steadily between 35% and 40%. Back when the deaths were half this number, the percentage was still around 35%. Now it's slightly higher at 40% currently now, with twice as many recorded deaths. Obviously this could change as more patients either recover or don't, and that number may certainly lower as more patients recover, but I wouldn't call a sample size of 60,000 as meaningless. All I said was currently, 35%-38% of outcomes have died, and that's accurate according to the numbers that have been reported.

[Pondosinatra]

"Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees said social distancing would be the new normal until a vaccine is developed."

When this is all over I'm going to go up to the first babe I see and french kiss her. Sure it might get me arrested....but it'll feel so good.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by bruceames

What do the millenials use? Probably something under the FB umbrella.

I think it's a secret.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

it definitely goes both ways, over/under reporting, but i think the scale tips to overreporting personally based on the practices at hospitals. certainly more people are dying at hospitals than at home. thats my reasoning anyway

Nothing personal, but I favor Marc Lipsitch’s reasoning….. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/so...19-death-toll/
“A greater issue is errors in the other direction — deaths caused by COVID that are not counted as such,” he said.

as well as Sally Aiken's (President, National Association of Medical Examiners) conclusion at the end of the article

[Batman1980]

Millennials seem fond of Instagram.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Millennials seem fond of Instagram.

Well first there was that app - can't remember the name - all the kids would use to send naked pix of themselves because after viewing it, the app would automatically delete the picture.

Edit: Just remembered, Snapchat!

Oh, and what's TikTok all about?

I'm so old...

[InuYashaCrusade]

Originally Posted by bruceames

What do the millenials use? Probably something under the FB umbrella.

Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat. Never used Snapchat but most people my age do.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Well first there was that app - can't remember the name - all the kids would use to send naked pix of themselves because after viewing it, the app would automatically delete the picture.

Edit: Just remembered, Snapchat!

Oh, and what's TikTok all about?

I'm so old...

My 9 year old live-in granddaughter has the app. Maybe I shouldn't have approved it. Thought it was harmless but maybe not.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Nothing personal, but I favor Marc Lipsitch’s reasoning….. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/so...19-death-toll/
“A greater issue is errors in the other direction — deaths caused by COVID that are not counted as such,” he said.

as well as Sally Aiken's (President, National Association of Medical Examiners) conclusion at the end of the article

Right. That link says what should be obvious - that theory going around about falsely reported COVID-19 deaths started on Facebook as has no basis in fact.

“If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the [underlying cause of death], as it can lead to various life-threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS),” the guidance says. “In these cases, COVID-19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.”"

"The CDC advises that officials should report deaths in which the patient tested positive for COVID-19 — or, if a test isn’t available, “if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty.” It further indicates that if a “definitive diagnosis cannot be made … but it is suspected or likely … it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed.'”

One hypothetical example cited by the CDC is an 86-year-old woman dying after exhibiting symptoms such as a high fever, severe cough, and difficulty breathing, “after being exposed to an ill family member who subsequently was diagnosed with COVID-19.” The CDC says that “probable COVID-19” may be listed as the underlying cause of death — a deduction made “given the patient’s symptoms and exposure to an infected individual.”"