Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Full disclosure:
My sister-in-law in Chicago who acquired COVID-19 and was placed on a vent (now extubated and out of ICU but still in hospital on O2 via nasal cannula (5L/min) was administered Remdesivir.

Sorry to hear that, hope she's ok

[Batman1980]

I would hope situations like Penton-Man's explain why some of us think people need to do more to stay in their homes instead of getting into their cars to joy ride to the store and buy things they might not need.

[sk33tr]

covid19 claims the life of a hero...

https://www.wsfa.com/2020/04/17/alab...spitalization/

and if you'd like to know more about his time in Vietnam and what he did to earn the Medal of Honor...click here.

[mar3o]

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/...navirus/?rel=1

"Bottom line: There’s scientific evidence finding that (1) masks prevent flu infection and (2) surgical masks prevent infection of viruses like the coronavirus (Covid-19), as well as more sophisticated N95 masks."

When I was in Wal-Mart the other day for health supplies I wore a basic dust mask like you wear when sanding/woodworking, and it was a nightmare. Wal-Mart was packed, and the mask fit poorly, and partly affected my peripheral vision, and I was sweating a ton because of it too. The whole trip was like a nightmare and I spend probably twice the time as usual because I was so hot and sweating and couldn't see very well. It wasn't the Wal-Mart I usually shop in so I was unfamiliar with where things were in the health isles, and the mask was really affecting my visibility.

I have no idea if N95 masks would offer a better experience. I'm guessing a surgical mask would surely be more comfortable and cause less sweating, and according to this article, offer practically the same protection as an N95 mask. Read the article before saying this is not correct.

I can't imagine wearing that dust mask again.

By the way, there were lots of people wearing all types of different masks, and some not wearing masks too. Many were pulling the masks down to talk. One guy had his hand all over it. One wore it off his nose so his whole nose was exposed. What's the point of forcing masks when nobody is going to wear them right anyways?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

that goes right into medical masks and cloth masks too then.

the issue of N95 likely not working for most people as you mentioned, was due to them not being worn properly ie. not a suction around mouth and nose. cloth masks and surgical masks have openings all around the damn thing, so those arent doing all that much either. yes, they help, but in reality, they help very little unfortunately.

Not true. Read the article I linked to above about surgical masks being as effective as N95 masks at preventing the flu.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

We talked about Remdesivir way back on March 4...

Penton-Man, what is your opinion on Hydroxychloroquine?

[Lee A Stewart]

[Will.]

Originally Posted by chip75

Mainly due to the fact that it's not exercise and should only be used for essential travel, food, essential work and medical supplies.

We have to assume that the infrastructure for urban, suburban and highway travel has decreased as well.

I know you don't want to mention safety concerns, but people really do get "snow blind" when driving alone, it's not uncommon for people to lose concentration because there's so little traffic. There's also the case of people not seeing any traffic deciding that they've got free reign, my friend works auto-parts delivery and he's seen people just running reds and sweeping across oncoming lanes thinking they can do whatever they want.

If you (not you you) get in a crash when you're joyriding, there's a good chance you've risked your life and first responder lives and possibly taken lives of others because emergency services should be with them, not you.

The exercise option is basically there to placate people, if we abuse it, we will eventually lose it.

To me that just sounds like bad drivers that I see everyday. If you're not capable of driving alone on a quiet road, you shouldn't be driving at all. Is there any evidence of an uptick in accidents that is endangering safety workers? Because I haven't seen it. As many people have said, you're far more likely to get/spread disease on a jog than you are driving around the block

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by Will.

To me that just sounds like bad drivers that I see everyday. If you're not capable of driving alone on a quiet road, you shouldn't be driving at all. Is there any evidence of an uptick in accidents that is endangering safety workers? Because I haven't seen it. As many people have said, you're far more likely to get/spread disease on a jog than you are driving around the block

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-lockdown.html

[The Great Owl]

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Will.

To me that just sounds like bad drivers that I see everyday. If you're not capable of driving alone on a quiet road, you shouldn't be driving at all.

A play on that would be, if adults are not capable of not driving when asked, they shouldn't be allowed to drive at all.

At the end of the day, we've been told by law to minimize road use to essential travel only, it doesn't matter if it increases the risks of accidents or spreading the virus, we've been asked not to do it.

I get it people want to get out, they want to go and do things, the car is a symbol of freedom, but if we abuse our current limited freedoms, we may lose more.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

I haven't been to a hospital, but my mother and mother-in-law went recently. They both described it as "eerily quiet". There have been a lot of encouraging efforts to free hospital space and utilize resources in PA. In my hometown, for example, an old correctional school has been repurposed as an "alternative care site" for patients that do not have COVID-19. They have 100 beds there, and I think they're going to start using some further north in the Pocono Valley.

There are plenty of hospitals that aren't currently overwhelmed for a variety of reasons:

1) They aren't taking patients for elective procedures
2) With current stay-at-home orders in place there are considerably less people out and about, and thereby much less car accidents and random injuries
3) They aren't allowing (or severely limiting) visitors
4) People are afraid to go to the hospital right now. Unfortanately, there are some people who probably should be seen and are ignoring or downplaying issues they're experiencing.

On the flip side, people have told me they "can't believe how many ventilators they need" at their particular hospital. It's important to note things will vary from place to place, region to region.

I have to say I find it disappointing when someone interprets a now quiet hospital as a evidence we "didn't need to do anything in the first place," when keeping hospitals quiet is the entire point of social distancing, shutdowns, and quarantines..

exactly. the issue is the "resources" are scarce. that is masks, ventilators, beds, people that now medicine

Here (Quebec) asked specialists and generalists to do the job of nurses. A person that is sick with covid-19 does not need a pediatrician or brain surgeon or plastic surgeon or.... they need people that will help take care of people stuck in beds that can barely breath.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by chip75

A play on that would be, if adults are not capable of not driving when asked, they shouldn't be allowed to drive at all.

At the end of the day, we've been told by law to minimize road use to essential travel only, it doesn't matter if it increases the risks of accidents or spreading the virus, we've been asked not to do it.

I get it people want to get out, they want to go and do things, the car is a symbol of freedom, but if we abuse our current limited freedoms, we may lose more.

I think if for the past month, at least in less populated states, if people had followed the guidelines we'd probably see places do staggered re-openings on the 1st. I think work and school would be fine, with as much social distancing as possible. I do think even once restrictions start getting scaled back after the apex, leisure activities are going to be restricted for quite awhile. Why I don't see a return to normal for professional sports till at least January. I don't think any of us want to trample on other people's civil rights but I do also think all of us can agree we want to minimize loss of life while also getting back to normal ASAP.

[Moe Szyslak]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

[Show spoiler]

Haha I see this another way too. The lack of real concerts in combination with time on quarantine has created a beer goggle effect where "favorite artists performing in their bathroom" is now the hot chick.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by THE_FORCE

Have you noticed that they haven’t included any other viruses that the deceased have in their systems? “The deceased tested positive for Covid-19”.

your point makes no sense what so ever. In order for you and me and anyone else to live we need a healthy microbiome, the microbiome consists of bacteria, microbes, viruses and yeasts that live on and in us. Some of them help us fight disease (through competition) others help us process what we eat (take the food , digest it and crap out simpler chemicals our bodies can use) ..

Did the BBC News also tell you that the deceased also tested positive for Influenza? What killed them? What proof do you have?

1) you can't have flu and covid-19 at the same time (it is like saying there is a pack of dangerous chihuahuas and wolves in the same area)

2) so let me get this straight, unless there is a full page or two that give the full makeup of every microorganism in and on each person when they die. You think the common factor judged by a professional to be the cause is always wrong (cause even if they get a handful of cases wrong that I irrelevant)

You don’t have any proof do you. You’re just reiterating something that the media have told you.

Tell that to my friend who was 51 and my Aunt that I don't have proof that people are dying because of this. I wish you all the best and hope you never find the proof you are looking for.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

not for nothing, but you realize these homemade masks basically do nothing to stop spreading or getting it? its a false sense of security and another reason for people not to buy medical masks or N95's leaving them available for healthcare workers.

im all for the social distancing and actual medical masks or N95 but the homemade cloth masks and bandanas, useless. i assume the "mask idiots" you are referring to are people NOT wearing masks, correct?

not true. the biggest problem with Covid-19 IMHO is that it can be asymptomatic (for very long). I agree a mask (of any kind) does not help the wearer from getting it but any mask (even a home made one) will limit how far the virus can reach and so have an effect on spreading

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

but youre not understanding one very important piece of the puzzle, at least here in the states, if i call my doctor, explain my symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath, i will be instructed to self quarantine at home. a test is irrelevant to my livelihood. instructions will then be to call back if symptoms worsen or if you fear for your life, you will then be told to go to the hospital.

not sure what theyre doing in the UK but even becuase you have a positive test, that doesnt mean youre going to get any different treatment, at first, other than to stay home and self medicate.

I agree it is irrelevant to the persons livelihood.

but if you get tested and it is positive (and your area is not insane with it) there can be contact tracing that might help others

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...virus-parties/

also if it comes back negative it can give a bit of peace of mind.

It also helps with a more accurate count in the area and so planning

[Lee A Stewart]

San Francisco Orders Residents to Wear Face Masks in Public or Risk Misdemeanor Charges

San Francisco residents will now be required to wear face masks when out in public and violators could face fines or even jail time, according to a local health order issued Friday.

Based on guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), this new order mandates that masks be worn at grocery stores, pharmacies, healthcare facilities, and other essential businesses, as well as while waiting for or riding public transit. These masks don’t need to be medical grade equipment—things like DIY masks, bandannas, and scarfs all satisfy the requirement—but at a minimum they “should cover the nose and mouth and fit securely,” according to a press release from the office of San Francisco Mayor London Breed.

These new rules apply both to the general public and any employees or volunteers working at facilities that are allowed to remain open under the state’s stay-at-home order. One exception is for people exercising outdoors, who aren’t required to wear a mask though they are recommended to keep one on hand. Children 12 years old or younger are also exempt.

https://gizmodo.com/san-francisco-or...lic-1842930675

[Moe Szyslak]

[Britbuffguy]

Stay at home protests have started in Wisconsin today. Hundreds of people all huddled up next to each other waving confederate flags.

….in Wisconsin.

I myself and doing what I'm supposed to be doing, staying home and watching more movies.