Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Moe Szyslak]

Aw no field trips??? Lame

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

Aw no field trips??? Lame

They were never fun anyway (at least, not the ones I went on in school)

[Batman1980]

Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham announced Wednesday that the state is on track for thousands of more businesses and services to start opening on June 1. Most of the graphs in Wednesday’s news conference show clear progress New Mexico is making in the fight against COVID-19.

It’s not a promise, but the governor says as of May 20, the state is on track for dine-in restaurant services, salons, gyms, malls and other services to potentially start reopening on June 1. “We might come to you even earlier, but right now we want you to know… there’s nothing that we’re seeing, even though we had an increase in cases today largely related to a high-risk area, that we aren’t going to get to our targets exactly when we should,” said Gov. Lujan Grisham.

Dr. David Scrase, Human Services Secretary, presented the slides showing New Mexico’s progress. Most regions are seeing a decline while the northwest part of the state continues to see an uptick. He also talked about how for the first time, New Mexico is under the state’s target “rate of speed.”

Dr. Scrase also pointed out that New Mexico is one of only two states that are on track to go onto Phase 1, according to the CDC guidelines. However, despite all the progress New Mexico is making, Dr. Scrase says everyone still needs to be cautious.

“If we jumped out of a plane with a parachute on and we’re descending and drifting toward earth and slowing down but still 1,000 feet above… we would not conclude its time to take off the parachute. It would be time to continue that slow descent and prepare for a landing in a COVID positive world,” said Dr. Scrase.

Dr. Scrase also says everything can still change if the public doesn’t not follow the social distancing rules. Gov. Lujan Grisham also says in order to keep moving forward and allow for those reopening, everyone still needs to stay home and socially distant.

In Wednesday’s news conference, the governor pointed out that the El Paso, Texas region is still seeing a surge in cases and that could quickly ripple into New Mexico if New Mexicans don’t stay home.

The governor said even though businesses like restaurants are not completely open yet, you can still help them out. The state set up a website with a directory of local businesses people can buy gift cards from and support in other ways.

What should I be doing to help minimize the spread?
The governor and health officials say New Mexican’s should practice the following:

Stay home except for work/urgent needs/emergencies
Wear a cloth face covering
Keep 6-feet of physical distance in public spaces
Don’t congregate in groups – at parks, on hikes ect.
Support local businesses (buynmlocal.com)
Help neighbors
Offer to shop for groceries
Make face coverings if you have extra fabric or other resources
Reach out, stay in contact
Monitor yourself for symptoms and find out how to get tested.
Special Session
Gov. Lujan Grisham says she is targeting June 18 for the start of a special legislative session. The session would be held to adjust the state budget amid a major hit to expected revenue related to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The governor hopes to reach bipartisan agreement on financial measures and wrapping up the session in a few days. New Mexico’s budget faces pressure due to the economic disruptions related to the pandemic and collapse in oil prices.

Source - KRQE.com

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/...id-19-patients

It's unfortunate it wasn't paired with a Z-pack, and/or Zinc. Both of which have shown to increase the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine compared to it alone.

[Bigdog]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Lol, now all we need to do is double the size of every school in the country and add a couple hundred thousands busses.

[Moviefan1203]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I have a daughter going into 1st grade in the fall and one going to PreK3. Going to be an experience to say the least with these guidelines.

[Batman1980]

The governor’s announcement about restaurants is a huge relief for thousands of New Mexico restaurant owners and workers. “A date allows restaurants to take the time to prepare, to train our staff, to order food and supplies, and get them ready for the new COVID safe practices and keeping our customers and employees safe during this time, so we’re thrilled with the governor,” said Restaurant Association CEO Carol Wight.

The New Mexico Restaurant Association represents about 3,500 restaurants statewide. Wight says at least 210 restaurants have closed permanently because of the pandemic and others are worried they won’t make it much longer. She says while some restaurants were able to rehire employees through the federal PPP loan, more than 50,000 restaurant workers have been on employment and they’re ready to get back to work.

Wight says the state has not given guidelines yet on what occupancy will be allowed. “We understand there is some unease of going directly back into a restaurant, so we’re going to ask some cities to expand outdoor dining. We hope that will bring people in and make them feel comfortable,” said Wight.

Wight adds they’ll ask customers to wear their face masks in restaurants until they have to eat. Some restaurants may also not provide the full menu because of a meat shortage.

Source - KRQE.com

[Member-222782]

Scenario: A jerk is strolling down the sidewalk unmasked thinking he owns the world (lots of those in NYC). He sneezes. I'm approaching from behind and am about 20 feet away. I don't see or hear him sneeze so I don't cross to the other side of the street. I'll be wearing a mask so the risk to me is minimal (hopefully) but what about someone who is not protected (another jerk?). Is there a risk of catching the virus from simply walking through the area where someone sneezed just moments ago? I've heard reports of the risk being greater with prolonged exposure (hanging out in the same spot where others walk, for instance) but not much has been said about the risks by walking down the street without stopping.

[Batman1980]

^ just another reason I think slow walkers should think twice about walking in public instead of doing it in their yard or their house, or at least somewhere there won't be as many people.

[Bigdog]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

I have a daughter going into 1st grade in the fall and one going to PreK3. Going to be an experience to say the least with these guidelines.

They're going to be physically impossible for many schools, we seriously need to get some people with common sense in these positions who create these guidelines imo. Obviously the person who created this list has never been on the inside of a inner city school before.

Good luck teachers, you no doubt will be made to deal with this crap and more then likely will be given nothing or not anywhere near the resources to do it. Not to mention having hundreds of a-symptomatic kids wondering around as if they were not already germ sprinklers to begin with before this stupid virus.

All college's are in the same boat imo, I have been in the construction field for the last 2 decades and have been apart of many 100+ million dollar college buildings. Not a single one of them was built with spacing and social distancing in mind. In fact pretty much the direct opposite for every building I have been a part of.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Scenario: A jerk is strolling down the sidewalk unmasked thinking he owns the world (lots of those in NYC). He sneezes. I'm approaching from behind and am about 20 feet away. I don't see or hear him sneeze so I don't cross to the other side of the street. I'll be wearing a mask so the risk to me is minimal (hopefully) but what about someone who is not protected (another jerk?). Is there a risk of catching the virus from simply walking through the area where someone sneezed just moments ago? I've heard reports of the risk being greater with prolonged exposure (hanging out in the same spot where others walk, for instance) but not much has been said about the risks by walking down the street without stopping.

Nobody in here can answer this question. Not even the scientists can yet.

It's certainly a concern. In general outdoors is safer and you're less likely to get infected, but if you literally walk into a "sneeze zone" seconds after somebody sneezed, who knows? It may disperse enough outside due to the air/wind that you'd be safe. But I wouldn't want to be the one to test out the theory. Inside I think the chances of infection would be much worse in that same scenario.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

^ just another reason I think slow walkers should think twice about walking in public instead of doing it in their yard or their house, or at least somewhere there won't be as many people.

When was the last time you saw someone walking briskly while gabbing up a storm on a cell? Practically anyone who is walking and talking on a cell phone is a "shambler". With everybody shuffling around mindlessly we'll never get rid of this virus lol.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Don't you think you're being a bit pessimistic? We got through the Swine Flu pandemic; we can get through this.

"We" as a species did. But many individuals did not. Every lost life to this is a tragedy. It's not just death - it's the suffering and isolation that goes along with it. I'm not worried about the species. Of course the human race will survive this. But it would be nice if millions of people didn't die from this.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

When was the last time you saw someone walking briskly while gabbing up a storm on a cell? Practically anyone who is walking and talking on a cell phone is a "shambler". With everybody shuffling around mindlessly we'll never get rid of this virus lol.

Businessmen in cities are fast walkers and are frequently on the phone.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by MrHT

That's what's annoying today. I feel like people today think there is a clear answer to everything and if you don't agree with them, you're some sort horrible, inhumane human being.

Welcome to the internet, mate.

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The school thing is weird. I'm guessing we'll hear horror stories within a month of re-openings of bullies spitting on other kids, saying they're going to infect them.

Their rules will all go to shit if someone pulls the fire alarm or an emergency happens. It will be like trying to heard 500 cats.

[mar3o]

A reminder that none of us are right and none of us have all the facts. It's all speculation because none of us are in a position to know the full extent of what's happening. Only what's being reported. An article the other day said the death toll could literally be twice what is being reported. I posted a link yesterday to a story about a woman fired for not altering the statistics to make the case for opening back up look better.

Opening it all back up is the wrong thing to do. Keeping it all shut down is also the wrong thing to do. It needs to be carefully thought out and balanced, and I'm not sure that will happen. We have no game plan and we're just winging it. So don't be surprised when we start randomly opening things back up and we see more spikes in the numbers. Then what?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

https://qcostarica.com/hydroxychloro...ight-covid-19/

It appears to be safe and effective when given under a doctor's care.

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/...id-19-patients

Hydroxychloroquine: First Large Study Does Not Support Routine Use in COVID-19 Patients

What’s different about this study

The study included nearly 1,400 patients and is currently the largest published study of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 patients. Previous studies have included no more than 100 patients.

What the study means

Hospitalized patients with COVID-19 illness should not be routinely treated with hydroxychloroquine.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Silly comparison. Many of those men facing certain death were no more than 18 and being forced into battle with absolutely no choice in the matter, under penalty of death.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

It's unfortunate it wasn't paired with a Z-pack, and/or Zinc. Both of which have shown to increase the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine compared to it alone.

Looks to me like they also used azithromycin (Z-Pak) along with it for part of the study, & also allowed their patients taking sarilumab during the study to continue that medication during testing. End data date was April 25th, 2020 & the azithromycin suggestion was removed on April 12, 2020. "Table 1" indicates that a total of 613 patients received azithromycin along with hydroxychloroquine for part of the study. You have to click on the blue "study" tab at the top of the article to get access to the full text of the study & get access to the tables & figures. If I'm reading it wrong, please correct me.

More studies are needed to get a more thorough evaluation & it's my understanding that they are ongoing. That said, if it's currently being administered &/or prescribed by doctors in Costa Rica & elsewhere for whomever they think might benefit, then so be it, it's not for me to decide. The more reliable information available, the better that informed decisions can be made by those involved. It is what it is, & it will be what it will be. Time will tell.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I've been back and forth on the issue, but after really thinking about it now, I really think we should keep the economy completely closed until the virus has passed. I know it's sad with people out of work because we need people to work, but this is really a decision between jobs and people's lives. People's lives should always be the #1 priority. Hearing about a possible spike and second wave is downright scary and not worth the risk of re-opening. Because getting the spike up can happen almost instantaneously, but going downhill on that curve is extremely difficult.

This is highly unrealistic. We already have been told by all the leading experts that this virus will be with us forever until we A) get natural herd immunity which means millions of people dying or B) find a vaccine.

We can't keep everything completely shut down until one or the other of those things happens. It's not possible. We will collapse as a society. I'm not worried about Bezoz losing some millions. I'm talking about people losing their homes, careers, loved ones due to starvation/depression. I'm no fan of large corporations but we need them to survive. Some stores and companies are already going out of business or closing many of their stores permanently due to this virus.

But I also don't support just "opening it all back up". It sucks but we have to use our brains for once in our lifetime and think rationally, and not jump to any conclusions. Like I said above, we need a balance. Some places - not all - should slowly start to open up, with precautions, and we need to carefully monitor how it goes, and truthfully report the facts. And people need to follow the guidelines.

The problem is, none of those things will happen.