Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Looks like the eggheads are contradicting themselves again...

Now they're saying the virus didn't come from China, has always been with us, and for reasons unknown just activated itself.

Also - main route of infection isn't airborne its from using the crapper.

Sigh.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...-ec45c42bb9d5/

These "eggheads" are smarter than any of us. This is a new virus that we have never encountered before and we're only a few months into it. We're learning more about it all the time. The problem is the media reports on every single tidbit of new data or any new hypothesis, leading to lots of inconsistent information. That's the media's fault, not the scientists'. It's natural to discover more about this as we dig deeper into it and learn more about where it came from and how it works.

That article suggests that it has been with us but dormant for a long time and certain environmental triggers may have activated it, perhaps in Wuhan in those nasty wet markets. That's just a theory though. The problem is the media (and the scientists) should stop leaking every contradictory bit of new data to us by the hour, and instead give us more facts, leaving the hypothesis for them to figure out before releasing it to the public. Because the result of all this incoming data is people stop trusting what they are saying, which is unfortunate, because I trust them well before I trust the politicians.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by mar3o

These "eggheads" are smarter than any of us. This is a new virus that we have never encountered before and we're only a few months into it. We're learning more about it all the time. The problem is the media reports on every single tidbit of new data or any new hypothesis, leading to lots of inconsistent information. That's the media's fault, not the scientists'. It's natural to discover more about this as we dig deeper into it and learn more about where it came from and how it works.

It's not the media's fault for reporting each new bit of data.
"The media" (SOMETIMES) gets unfairly blamed in this situation. As you said, it's evolving minute to minute and if they gave us NO new information, everyone would be just as pissed.

Damned if you do...

However, do I agree with spin or misleading headlines? Not at all. This post, however, was different.

[AeroK]

Something they released here.

Original tweet if it’s hard to read the tiny print.
https://mobile.twitter.com/texmed/st...46501054980096

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by AeroK

Something they released here.

Original tweet if it’s hard to read the tiny print.
https://mobile.twitter.com/texmed/st...46501054980096

Although I like how flying is considered high(ish) risk - yet the airline industry (and several posters on here) say that it's not.

Again, never ending contradicting information.

Good news, all my activities are rated a 4 or lower...

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by AeroK

Something they released here.

[Show spoiler]

Original tweet if it’s hard to read the tiny print.
https://mobile.twitter.com/texmed/st...46501054980096

That's an interesting graph.

I assume these risks designations are making assumptions. Two that I've taken part in recently:

Eating at a restaurant outside and working out at the gym. IMO, my experience these two designations would be switched. My gym has outdoor classes. When working out indoors, everyone must wear a mask, they have disinfection stations, social distancing built-in when on the machines, plus I'm in the gym at 5am....so not a lot of ppl, maybe 6-10 at that hour.

Last week, a customer wanted to have lunch. We went Torchy's (Austin based taco place-first day of operation in our town was the day before). The outdoor seating maybe was six ft distance between customers. We sat in a corner and didn't have anyone with 6 ft from us. But, in the inside there was very little distancing and most not wearing a mask. The fountain drink area was limited to 1 person at a time, but not everyone following that rule. Some distance between ppl in line, but certainly not monitored to insure 6 ft.

In retrospect, not a smart move on my part to go to the restaurant. Our gym, I feel is a safer environment (esp outdoor classes)

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Although I like how flying is considered high(ish) risk - yet the airline industry say that it's not.

Have they said that? Source?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Although I like how flying is considered high(ish) risk - yet the airline industry (and several posters on here) say that it's not.

Again, never ending contradicting information.

Good news, all my activities are rated a 4 or lower...

Do you really expect the airlines to admit that flying is a high risk?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Do you really expect the airlines to admit that flying is a high risk?

And if they admit that it's a low risk, they open themselves up to a lawsuit.

That's why I asked for a quote from an airline. I've seen nothing of the sort.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No new cases in 12 days now for Sunderland, England. Please may it continue.

Keep it up.

[bruceames]

I would rearrange a few of the items in that list.

Highest risk:

Bar or nightclub (by far)
Indoor dining (if done with people from other households and are face to face. Ventilation also something to be concerned about)
Church gatherings (especially if singing is done)
Weddings (especially if people are drinking)
Indoor gatherings at residences, or visiting friends or family and engaged in close contact.
Playing basketball.


Medium to low risk

Planes: it would depend if people are wearing masks and/or their are physical barriers between rows or seats. I don't think the risk is as great as what people may think. Any situation where people are not facing each other is much much safer, and airplanes have great filtration systems so aerosol infection should not be a worry.

Hair salons: if both are wearing masks, risk will be fairly low.

Gyms: medium risk, depending on how well ventilation is.

Any event outside is semi-low risk as long is people don't face each other for extended times, or mask up.

Just my opinion of course.

[Batman1980]

Gyms are about as high risk as it gets to me, droplets everywhere, really can't believe with all the other rules in this ridiculous state they can't include "wear masks at all times in a gym unless running"

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Do you really expect the airlines to admit that flying is a high risk?

That'll be the day.
And on some planes they still seat people like sardines by filling the planes full...even in the middle seats.

Do they know that we are in a pandemic? They must know or they wouldn't do that. ✈

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Although I like how flying is considered high(ish) risk - yet the airline industry (and several posters on here) say that it's not.

Again, never ending contradicting information.

Good news, all my activities are rated a 4 or lower...

I'll trust advice by the medical experts before random internet forum commenters and the airline industry. Of course they're going to say it's low risk. And have they actually said that?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I would rearrange a few of the items in that list.

Highest risk:

Bar or nightclub (by far)
Indoor dining (if done with people from other households and are face to face. Ventilation also something to be concerned about)
Church gatherings (especially if singing is done)
Weddings (especially if people are drinking)
Indoor gatherings at residences, or visiting friends or family and engaged in close contact.
Playing basketball.


Medium to low risk

Planes: it would depend if people are wearing masks and/or their are physical barriers between rows or seats. I don't think the risk is as great as what people may think. Any situation where people are not facing each other is much much safer, and airplanes have great filtration systems so aerosol infection should not be a worry.

Hair salons: if both are wearing masks, risk will be fairly low.

Gyms: medium risk, depending on how well ventilation is.

Any event outside is semi-low risk as long is people don't face each other for extended times, or mask up.

Just my opinion of course.

Having your hair done means lots of touching around the head/face area. I would not consider that low risk.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I'll trust advice by the medical experts before random internet forum commenters and the airline industry. Of course they're going to say it's low risk. And have they actually said that?

During a May 3 appearance on “Face the Nation,” Southwest CEO Gary Kelly said that he believed it was safe for Americans to fly during the coronavirus epidemic and that a plane is as safe as any other space.

https://khn.org/news/fact-check-sout...-key-concerns/

[dublinbluray108]

I think that Covid-19 risk chart from Texas is a brilliant idea. I think it's very informative for people who wear face masks & who are working very hard to not catch the virus.

I suppose a lot of people will find it ironic that the highest risk for catching Covid-19 right now is inside a pub or a bar in where alcohol is served to patrons. It's a real pity though that a good few young people around Dublin City Centre, going from videos on Twitter & Instagram, were ignoring that message during the weekend because there was loads of them congregating outside pubs on Saturday night.

https://twitter.com/BarryWhyte85/sta...23136413761544

One lady on Twitter said that she went out to pick up her son in Dublin City to bring him home that night. She said that she was shocked at the amount of young people being out in public with cans & bottles of alcohol in their hands near Grafton Street. Another Irish lady, also on Twitter, had said that her own mother who had just recovered from Covid recently had tested positive for the virus all over again. I think these types of stories are horrible to endure for these families.

Staff at pubs here also being verbally abused by members of the public for letting customers know that they have to comply with the guidelines.

It all just boils down to keeping with common sense. If people want to keep safe while going through this pandemic. Wear a mask! Wash your hands & Keep your distance away from other people. If any of them don't listen to this advice & simple common knowledge on the issue. A 2nd wave will be here to give us even more misery to endure for the rest of the year & beyond that if they don't do what they're told.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Do you really expect the airlines to admit that flying is a high risk?

No, but they do keep yammering on about how the air is constantly refreshed, through high quality filters - much better air quality than you'd have at home or an office etc. etc.

[Batman1980]

I just don't like the idea of being in a confined space breathing the same air as other people for 2+ hours right now.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Having your hair done means lots of touching around the head/face area. I would not consider that low risk.

I would not expect you to think otherwise. There is some controversy regarding risk from touching things and touching people as well.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Health - New

Hundreds of scientists say coronavirus is airborne, ask WHO to revise recommendations



It's a super short article but supremely important as we learn more and more each day.
There's nothing scribed in gold tablets when it comes to COVID-19 ... It is constantly evolving and we are discovering each minute ... because many expert scientists and epidemiologists are working on a race clock on this, 24/7 all over the world.

I hope WHO follows the expert scientist's recommendations...that's what they are paid for, to protect humanity's health, to prevent the spreading of viruses, to offer help in combating, financial help, proper medical equipment, support to front line fighters, telling the world the truth, ... all that jazz.

Yesterday I posted the above ^

Two days ago it was first mentioned in the New York Times ...
▪ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/h...-airborne.html