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Old 07-08-2020, 03:00 PM   #11141
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Yesterday, deaths in the US were the highest they've been since June 10th
I'm confused...Underworld keeps saying they're dropping at an increasing rate.

One of you is wrong...
 
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I'm confused...Underworld keeps saying they're dropping at an increasing rate.

One of you is wrong...
The amount of deaths has been lower compared to the past, and states haven't been wrecked like NY had been, but it's a lagging statistic, and when hospitals in certain states like Arizona, Texas, and Florida become more overwhelmed, increased death tends to follow. I think a lot has been learned since March/April, when NY suffered its worse losses, so I don't see any state having as many deaths as us here, but I do feel deaths may start to trend a little higher than it has been these past few weeks.
 
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Yesterday, deaths in the US were the highest they've been since June 10th.
Arizona is the new hot spot and Florida is right behind. Ah, Summer. How long will it be before NYC starts spiking again? Lots of outdoor dining with unmasked people
 
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Arizona is the new hot spot and Florida is right behind. Ah, Summer. How long will it be before NYC starts spiking again? Lots of outdoor dining with unmasked people
I'm not overly concerned about outdoor activities. And it's not really practical to have a mask on while eating ..It's indoor dining, and bars that are far more likely to be hotspots than anything outdoors, so it's understandable that those have been put on hold (same for gyms to a lesser degree). NYC has been doing pretty great so far. I didn't think we'd make it to Phase 3 without seeing any spikes, but so far we're maintaining a pretty stable positive test rate.

I don't buy the notion that we are close to any herd immunity. People thought the same about Spain, and the latest study from there showed only like 5% of the participants had antibodies. I think NYC needs to do widespread antibody testing, as the data we've done so far is not very representative, and may be outright flawed.

I don't think we're protected from a second wave here, and I'd say as we open more up that we might start to see spikes again. I don't imagine it'll ever be as bad as it was since we're more on top of things, and there's a lot more mask usage now compared to the past.
 
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Arizona is the new hot spot and Florida is right behind. Ah, Summer. How long will it be before NYC starts spiking again? Lots of outdoor dining with unmasked people
Countless droves of people who don't take fitness seriously but want to go somewhere they won't have to wear a mask will flock to gyms to sweat and breathe all over random strangers.
 
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Four more cases here at SoFi stadium in Inglewood.
I believe that makes the total number of cases since this started up to 32 now.
 
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Yikes, So-Fi.
 
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I wonder what he's going to say in January when he goes back to being a civvie

I've read reports sporadically throughout the crisis that a vaccine either won't be found or is impossible. We'll see.
Why wouldn't we have a vaccine? This is an all hands on deck project and it seems like there have been some vaccines that have entered (or will enter) phase 3 testing. Sounds like a good sign, so there's hope.
 
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We will have at least 3-5 vaccines out there, if not more, by next year. There was just news of Pfizer's vaccine which showed it produced more antibodies than the virus itself does..

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Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Produces More Antibodies Than the Disease Itself

Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer is developing four coronavirus vaccines — but it may have struck gold on the first try.

On July 1, the company released the preliminary results for its first coronavirus vaccine trial, and based on the available data, Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine appears to have triggered a strong immune response in study participants.

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine appears to be both effective and tolerable.

"Our first vaccine candidate is eliciting antibody levels to neutralize the virus that is equivalent to or better than what you see in people who have had COVID-19," Phil Dormitzer, a Pfizer vaccine developer, told ABC News.

This news means Pfizer and its partner, German company BioNTech, are still on track to produce 100 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine in 2020, according to Dormitzer.

"The goal that we've set is to distribute millions of vaccine doses in 2020 and executing on that, of course, means everything has to go well," he said. "We need the regulatory approval to do so. But that is our plan."

Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine

Pfizer enlisted 45 healthy adults, ages 18-55, in its combined Phase 1 and 2 vaccine trial. Nine of the participants received a placebo. The rest were divided equally into three groups that received 10-microgram, 30-mcg, or 100-mcg doses of the vaccine.

Three weeks later, Pfizer gave participants in the 10-mcg and 30-mcg groups a second dose of the vaccine. Those in the placebo group received another dose of the placebo.

(The 100-mcg group didn't receive a second dose of anything, as about half of them experienced a fever after the first shot, suggesting that dose was too high.)

Seven days after receiving the second dose of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine, the people in the 10-mcg and 30-mcg groups had levels of coronavirus antibodies in their blood that were high enough to neutralize the virus, according to Pfizer's study, published on the preprint server medRXiv.

None of the participants suffered severe side effects, though more than half of those who received a second dose did report some kind of adverse reaction, such as a fever or sleep disturbance.

Pfizer is now seeking approval to begin a combined Phase 2b and 3 trial, involving up to 30,000 healthy participants in late July.
https://www.freethink.com/articles/p...vid-19-vaccine
 
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He's trying to give people hope during a crisis

There is no worse mistake in public leadership than to hold out false hope soon to be swept away.

- Winston Churchill
 
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A lot of hope has been placed on the possibility of a Covid-19 vaccine by the end of this year.

However, overcoming the technical challenges of developing a vaccine -- and the safety issues inherent in making one that works for the populations most at risk -- is no easy feat.

While it may be possible to deliver a vaccine by the end of this year, absolutely every step of its development would have to go perfectly. From experience, I can tell you how rare that is.

Vaccines don't act as impenetrable shields that prevent viruses from entering our bodies. Rather, they teach our bodies how to rapidly mobilize our immune defenses against a foreign invader. The rapid immune response helps us clear the virus from the body before it wreaks its damage.

But in the case of Covid-19, according to one study, not everybody infected by the virus makes the neutralizing antibodies that are necessary to clear the virus and fewer still make them in high numbers. What we know from nearly 60 years of observing coronaviruses is that even if a body's immune system can clear the virus, the pathogen can likely reenter the system and cause illness again.

Of the more than 100 vaccines currently in development, the ones tested on primates have not prevented nasal infections, though in one case the vaccine prevented the disease from spreading to the lungs where it is known to cause severe damage. However, since Covid-19 progresses somewhat differently in monkeys than in humans, it's hard to know how effective these vaccines will be in human trials.

One thing we do know is that some of the vaccines currently being tested in humans are already causing serious side effects. The side effects are likely a result of the powerful ingredients added to the vaccine to help inflame the body's immune system. These ingredients -- called adjuvants -- help vaccines work better, but if they can land the young and healthy patients in the clinical trial in the hospital because of high fevers and fainting, imagine what they might do to those already ill with secondary conditions or to those who are older. Indeed, the elderly may need repeated doses of the vaccine, given how resistance to some vaccinations becomes progressively more profound with time.

But even without a vaccine, there is reason for hope that a medical solution to the crisis will soon be at hand. It will likely take the form of anti-Covid drugs that will be able to treat patients newly infected and prevent others from becoming ill. These drugs can likely help us bridge the gap between where we are today -- with only masks, hand hygiene and physical distancing to protect us -- to where we hope to be tomorrow -- with a vaccine in hand.

Recent studies have shown two types of drugs with particular promise. The first are antivirals -- drugs that act on the virus itself and prevent it from replicating. Antivirals generally target either the enzymes a virus needs to copy its genome (polymerases) or those needed to cut larger proteins into smaller functional fragments (proteases). Coronaviruses, in general, are a target-rich environment for antivirals and this coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, is no different than the others since it uses an active protease, a key protein responsible for the reproduction of the virus, to copy itself.

In a study published last month in Science, researchers announced their discovery of two new drug candidates that inhibit the SARS-CoV-2 protease. In test tube experiments, they found that the chemicals could bind to the protease and prevent replication, with one of them -- a chemical designated 11a -- more promising than the other. Chemical 11a will soon be tested for safety in humans, but early results from this study in dogs and mice suggest that the drug is both effective and non-toxic.

The other set of drugs showing promise are monoclonal antibodies, which are lab-created antibodies that work by blocking SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins from attaching to the ACE2 cell receptors in our body. By blocking the attachment, they prevent infection altogether. In another study published in June in Science, a separate set of scientists discovered two antibodies that each prevented different parts of the SARS2 spike protein from binding to the ACE2 receptor. While each of the antibodies on its own can neutralize the virus, together they are even more effective at preventing infection.

Just this week, late stage trials were announced for another double antibody cocktail that will be tested in 2,000 people across the United States for their ability to prevent infection and treat those in the early stages of Covid-19. With this drug -- and with the other set of monoclonal antibodies already researched -- there is a question of whether they are going to be effective against a virus like SARS-CoV-2 that lives primarily in the nose and the lungs instead of in the blood. That said, monoclonal antibodies have worked against the respiratory syncytial virus, which has many similarities to SARS-CoV-2.

Much like the vaccines that have showed early promise, these drugs too will need more testing before their safety and efficacy can be proven. But the timeline for testing these drugs is much shorter than for a vaccine, in large part due to how quickly and easily their efficacy can be determined. For antivirals and monoclonal antibodies, you know whether the virus works within a matter of days -- either the viral load in the patient goes up or it goes down -- and with very few individuals. Our first effective treatment for HIV, an antiviral, was proven in a group of just 19 patients given the drug.

What this means is that even if our path to a Covid vaccine is much longer and harder than we currently estimate, we can still have drugs in hand as early as the beginning of next year that can keep those most vulnerable from becoming infected and could, potentially, treat those already ill.

The science will eventually save us. In the meantime, we must use what we know for certain will work today -- masks, physical distancing and quarantine -- to reduce lives lost unnecessarily while we wait.
- Wednesday, July 8, 2020 (Health World News)
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If anyone research the Internet with his favorite browser and read from all the best medical scientific articles on vaccines and COVID-19, he/she will realise that this is a new virus that most scientists don't know much about, plus it takes time to develop a working vaccine(s).
You can't simply rush what has to be develop in phases and proven tested on humans, you just can't. First the scientists need more data, they need to know more about COVID-19, then the lab trials, the many testings, the long term effects, the close observations, ...it takes TIME. Historically to develop an effective vaccine against a known virus took time, years.

This is not my opinion, it's a science fact.

Hope is not based on facts, there is no data on hope. Miracles are not scientific facts, there is no data on miracles. One doesn't base life on hope and miracles, but on science and data, well researched, well experimented, well proven...and it takes TIME.

* Here's what I think: All over the world there were never been so many medical scientist experts working so rapidly on a vaccine against Coronavirus, ever. This is unprecedented in human history. It's a biological race of the highest caliber. Researching and developing and testing are done like it has never been done before. And we cannot go faster than the time it takes to be effective-proof.

What we can all do we know already; we just have to do it. Not waiting for others to do it, but each person all together. This is the best that we can do now in order to gain TIME for the development of a vaccine(s), and SLOW DOWN the spreading and the intensive care and diminish the number of inflicted, and departed.

We know that young people can be badly sick with their internal organs permanently damaged. We have seen it on several occasions, just recently that young 41-year old man.
He's not the only one.

Tom Hanks is one of the top best actors living today. He's intelligent and very well articulated. When we put him in company of Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci we have a trio of intelligent men that we can rely best on. That's no fake reality, that is true reality as it can be. This is no joke this is serious, very very serious.

That's what I think. It's us all together now who are responsible for tomorrow's outcome.
It's not the time to live blind, it's the time to gain very precious time for the scientists to develop vaccines and get this thing flat. That's our job.
 
Old 07-08-2020, 05:28 PM   #11152
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From CNN...

"The first reported case came on January 21. Within 99 days, 1 million Americans became infected. It took just 43 days after that to reach 2 million cases. And 28 days later, the US reached 3 million cases of the novel coronavirus Wednesday. "

So, 4 million in 2 weeks??
 
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I'm kidding by the way...
Oh, I thought you were serious.

* In Ontario masks are mandatory...as you probably know.
In Quebec they are seriously considering now.
In Alberta and in British Columbia...eventually it's coming (obligatory mask wearing)...in my honest and sincere and calculated predicted opinion. It's not a matter of if but when.

Looking back few months ago, say February, we posted several Coronavirus humorous cartoons. It's gone now, the tone has shifted, radically.

I changed some of my habits too here, by not including some movie clips to emphasize my words.

We all love movies; I'm looking forward to see 'Greyhound' with Tom Hanks.
...And Christopher Nolan's 'Tenet'. ...Also 'Top Gun: Maverick' with Tom Cruise.

But first we all need to wear masks if we all want to be alive and well to see those flicks.
We need to respect others who also want to see them flicks.

Here in this thread we are becoming more aware by the day, we are sharing some good stuff. We'll expand some of it outside this thread's boundaries ...
 
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Despite CNN holding up Canada as a shining beacon of how we've handled things...it's not like we're in the clear.

Edmonton hospital turning away patients due to Outbreak there.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7152439/e...lity-outbreak/

Also a large outbreak at an apartment complex in Calgary.

Once this thing is released in an enclosed area where lots of people live or spend long hours in it just spreads like crazy.

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Signing up for the vaccine trials penton? Might be coming to a city near you (us, we're in the same area) for the over 55 set.
They need older populations in the vaccine trials to get dosing and safety correct. Can't just have all millenials and gen z getting the vaccine trial.
Well, first of all some background, long before corona times, I have a documented interest in promoting health among all ages and have tried to insinuate that into as many posts as I can without boring people to death. Even going so far as to baiting health awareness with an exclusive behind the scenes photo of a major feature film production and check out the hyperlink in the first sentence here for the health part of it - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post16647271
which still holds and may serve some random reader well.

As to your query, yes I would be interested in volunteering for a vaccine trial but I think the question is moot as I would not qualify for them as I am currently on a medication that is being trialed for fighting COVID-19 and that in itself would likely skew the result of any vaccine trial.
 
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Penton posted a short YouTube video yesterday of Tom Hanks interview...excellent.
A short article of Tom on masks ...
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53318653



Another poster mentioned vaccines as a a positive solution for this thread; very good point and I did further researches on this subject.

Yes I've read all those articles since yesterday and early this morning; feel free ...

¤ https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...s-for-covid-19

¤ https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavi...ats-happening/

¤ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...052455342.html

¤ https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/coro...-go-wrong.html


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Next is to go further and read the scientific papers ...

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Interesting WSJ opinion article yesterday that raises the possibility that antibody tests may be undercounting the number of infected. It makes sense since the CDC estimates infections are 10 times greater than the reported number of cases.

The author is speculating, but concludes as I do that these hot spots that were blasted earlier are now being protected by some level of herd immunity

Rest of the article in spoilers (since it's behind a paywall)
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/herd-im...nk-11594076237
With regards to T cell response in people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19, I’ve been looking at this study - https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/e...atic-covid-19/
There is much to learn as the current thinking is that, like with antibodies, people with severe symptoms show a stronger and more varied T cell response than people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 which questions the later’s degree of protective effect and some of the speculation by the WSJ author. Nevertheless, understanding T cell response is big factor with regards to some vaccine’s development.

With regards to herd immunity, I do think people should realize that there is a difference between 'control' and herd immunity – “If we can mitigate or suppress infection, we would be living with some infection and probably some deaths, but it wouldn't be overwhelming. The infection would sort of limp along in the population because we wouldn't necessarily stamp it out, but it wouldn't travel very fast," Halloran said. "That's a different concept than herd immunity."
From Betz Halloran - https://www.businessinsider.com/us-c...mmunity-2020-4
 
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Another poster mentioned vaccines as a a positive solution for this thread;
what has already been provided in recent past postings -
extemporaneously, by someone who can do it during live questioning -

on NIH Live - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...h#post17829571
vaccine discussion beginning from the get-go

on JAMA Live - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...a#post17819350
vaccine discussion beginning around 14:44

on a live podcast - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08jn7g4
vaccine discussion begins ~ 5 min. timestamp
 
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In the last couple days France and UK are up...in the number of new cases and departed.
France might be over 30,000 tomorrow (Friday @ the latest)...total.
UK might be over 45,000 next week...total.

India has many new cases (as many as in the US), and number of departed...500 approx. a day.
Mexico is having a hard time...very.
Indonesia I'm keeping an open eye ...

It's near impossible to predict with COVID-19; it is simply unpredictable to assess population's behavioral attitudes when facing masks and social distancing.
It's much easier to predict film's box office revenues.

Stay safe, remain calm and be kind with everyone around.
We're all working towards a common goal; be healthy.
Everything else is just cheap whiskey. Wealth is obsolete without health.
 
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what has already been provided in recent past postings -
extemporaneously, by someone who can do it during live questioning -

on NIH Live - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...h#post17829571
vaccine discussion beginning from the get-go

on JAMA Live - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...a#post17819350
vaccine discussion beginning around 14:44

on a live podcast - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08jn7g4
vaccine discussion begins ~ 5 min. timestamp
This was the very nice young fellow mentioning about "the cure" (vaccines) very early this morning ...
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=11135
 
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