Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Penton-Man]

and, of course, Winter Is Coming, of which other public health officials, other than the herd immunity epidemiologists are quoted –
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/10/...-is-narrowing/

[Penton-Man]

ABC News Live Update: Putin says Russia has COVID-19 vaccine - YouTube

Such a rush job with the ^ Russian vaccine which apparently is somewhat based upon the AstraZeneca candidate so at least there is some biological possibility it may work; nevertheless, is very concerning in that the skipping of Phase 3 trials before beginning administration may result in the vaccine ultimately not working or produce some serious (and not rare) side effects.

The result of either of the above consequences, may further erode public confidence in future vaccines leading to less people becoming vaccinated by properly developed vaccines. We already have too much of an anti-vax sentiment in this country. Keep in mind, I think the uptake of the H1N1 vaccine for the swine flu pandemic was only 20-30%.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The herd immunity proposition is a convenient diversion for the-virus-will-eventually-go-away laypersons to dwell on,
when there are more immediate concerns –

Well whether we like it or not, it's going to be a combination of immunity from getting it, and from vaccines. The rate the U.S. is going, it's going to be more of the former I'm afraid.

Besides, it's hard to get too excited about a vaccine with only 60% effectiveness with unknown long term side effects, and the fact that 1/3 of the population say they the won't take it (although their tune will probably change over time with peer pressure and perhaps limiting travel to those with antibodies or vaccination papers, or having vaccine requirements for teachers and students, etc).

[veritas]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Well whether we like it or not, it's going to be a combination of immunity from getting it, and from vaccines. The rate the U.S. is going, it's going to be more of the former I'm afraid.

Besides, it's hard to get too excited about a vaccine with only 60% effectiveness with unknown long term side effects, and the fact that 1/3 of the population say they the won't take it (although their tune will probably change over time with peer pressure and perhaps limiting travel to those with antibodies or vaccination papers, or having vaccine requirements for teachers and students, etc).

I mean if people just want a vaccine and don’t care about the risks or effectiveness then Russia has one right now.

I don’t think it’s unfair to not give a blank check that your getting a vaccine. Prove it’s effective and safe in the long term then I’ll get it which I think is the point of view for the majority of that 1/3rd.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Well whether we like it or not, it's going to be a combination of immunity from getting it, and from vaccines. The rate the U.S. is going, it's going to be more of the former I'm afraid.

Besides, it's hard to get too excited about a vaccine with only 60% effectiveness with unknown long term side effects, and the fact that 1/3 of the population say they the won't take it...

true, vaccines aren’t going to work for everybody so without revealing too much of my wife and my medical history (but one doesn’t need to be a genius to figure it out) rather than passivity with awaiting herd immunity we should try to develop (and volunteer for) therapeutics - https://www.avsforum.com/threads/mas...#post-60012459

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

and, of course, Winter Is Coming, of which other public health officials, other than the herd immunity epidemiologists are quoted –
https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/10/...-is-narrowing/

Yup. We're royally screwed in a few months.

[LegacyCosts]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

true, vaccines aren’t going to work for everybody so without revealing too much of my wife and my medical history (but one doesn’t need to be a genius to figure it out) rather than passivity with awaiting herd immunity we should try to develop (and volunteer for) therapeutics - https://www.avsforum.com/threads/mas...#post-60012459

“I think if children were dying, this would be … a different situation, quite honestly,” she said.

Is there an established country that values the elderly less than USA? I imagine no.

[Pondosinatra]

We could all get the Russian vaccine.

Da? Nyet?

[MrHT]

It seems like California is struggling to slow the spread. Seems like cases are jumping back up again. Not good!

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Jeez, Auckland it's just 4 people!

They actually care about getting rid of this thing.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MrHT

It seems like California is struggling to slow the spread. Seems like cases are jumping back up again. Not good!

I read that they had data lag issues and the spike is related to that. At least I hope so.

[dublinbluray108]

There is more information about another cluster of people who live in Auckland NZ from last April.

This is not about the new cluster in Auckland that was reported today by the media.

Documents have shown that a team of officers from the NZ Air Force had flown out of the country to play at a rugby tournament in the United States. The members of that rugby team did not self-isolate upon return to NZ. The team is quite large to begin with 48 members in the squad.

A cluster of 16 players in that squad were having issues with doing self-isolation upon their return home from NY.

An internal email showed Auckland Regional Public Health was “concerned that most of the [air force] personnel have not been following self-isolation and their exposure dates keep moving as a result”.

It also showed that air force senior staff contacted Regional Public Health in Auckland with concerns about their “lack of capacity to deal with guidance and information for close contacts”.

An Auckland Regional Public Health Service document from April 17, when there were 13 confirmed and probable cases associated with the cluster, show all those affected were aged between 20 and 45.

They had returned to Auckland then spread out around New Zealand. At least three of the cases were in Blenheim. The cluster number was later increased to 16.

A statement from the Defence Force said personnel were unable to self-isolate because they lived in barracks.

“Instead they isolated as a small group in a barrack block, which required a longer isolation period for all of them to be free of symptoms.

“None were released from isolation until public health and NZDF health were satisfied they had completed full isolation requirements.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...ot-selfisolate

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

There is more information about another cluster of people who live in Auckland NZ from last April.

This is not about the new cluster in Auckland that was reported today by the media.

Documents have shown that a team of officers from the NZ Air Force had flown out of the country to play at a rugby tournament in the United States. The members of that rugby team did not self-isolate upon return to NZ. The team is quite large to begin with 48 members in the squad.

A cluster of 16 players in that squad were having issues with doing self-isolation upon their return home from NY.



https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...ot-selfisolate

And that's one of the reasons this is going to be hard to contain this without a vaccine. If any part of your economy relies on international tourism, or if any of your people travel out of and back into the country, its almost impossible to stop.

New Zealand was a big success story, now it may be facing the other side. Kind of like the USA where one state is a success story, and 4 weeks later its a hot spot, and people travel intra-nationally and internationally - you end up playing whackamole.

New York is trying to lock down people with quarantines from anyone out of their region, nearly impossible.

[Batman1980]

As for how New Mexicans 102 years ago took to wearing masks, Martinez says history shows they had mixed feelings, much like today. While we can’t look back at early 20th century social media posts or TV, he says laws made around the time of the Spanish Flu are a big clue into how things worked.

“They were dealing with just as much trauma and difficulty as we are now. They didn’t have Facebook or television news. They had other ways of communicating, of course, newspapers seemed to be the main way of communicating these ideas of what we were supposed to do to fight the Spanish Flu,” said Martinez. “We can learn what people were doing by studying laws that said don’t do this, or don’t do that. In Taos, New Mexico, in particular, there were very strict rules. You could be arrested for not wearing a mask. That tells us there were people, or some people who were not wearing masks or did not want to wear masks or didn’t think it was necessary.”

Now, flash forward to another hundred years from now as history books describe New Mexico and the coronavirus. Martinez says he hopes, from masks to distancing, the books say New Mexico did something right.

“It reminds us that history isn’t just events that we study from a long time ago that are over. We are living history,” said Martinez. “We need to learn from history so that we don’t make the same mistakes.”

If you want to dive into New Mexico’s pandemic history, yourself, the state has archives and photos available online. The United States National Archives also has a full page dedicated to the influenza epidemic of 1918.

Source - KRQE.com

[Aloha from Hawaii 73]

The great poet Harry Callaghan once said : "man has got to know his limitations"

Seems we dont these days

[Batman1980]

People are conditioned to believe what they want to believe, takes a lot for them to change their conditioning.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

We could all get the Russian vaccine.

Da? Nyet?

I think it's awesome that Russia has a vaccine. I guess we'll see how it goes. If Russia ends up reaching herd immunity, then we know their vaccine really works! If it doesn't work, then well, that could end up with some very very bad consequences.

[MifuneFan]

If it is similar to the Oxford vaccine in the way it works, then it should be relatively safe for humans. How effective it will be is the main question of course.

[Naiera]

Russia's supposed vaccine very likely would never get approved in any western country. Taking it will probably be less than safe.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Such a rush job with the ^ Russian vaccine which apparently is somewhat based upon the AstraZeneca candidate so at least there is some biological possibility it may work; nevertheless, is very concerning in that the skipping of Phase 3 trials before beginning administration may result in the vaccine ultimately not working or produce some serious (and not rare) side effects.

The result of either of the above consequences, may further erode public confidence in future vaccines leading to less people becoming vaccinated by properly developed vaccines. We already have too much of an anti-vax sentiment in this country. Keep in mind, I think the uptake of the H1N1 vaccine for the swine flu pandemic was only 20-30%.

follow-up opinion from ^ yesterday, 3hr. later, regarding safety and efficacy: https://abcnews.go.com/US/fauci-doub...ry?id=72309297