Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[veritas]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Yup, and also I would say 1-2 months of EVERYONE wearing masks correctly should be enough as well. But nope, too hard for people to do.

Its dangerous for people to put faith in a dusk mask to protect them from a virus. If masks are used as an excuse to have large gatherings and not socially distance which they are to some extent then I'm not sure how much masks even help the general population. Like masks definitely lower your risk but they might be a net negative for society if you use the mask as an excuse to take way bigger risks. Thats part of the problem we have in the us we are opening everything up without dealing with the problem and going well a lot of people are wearing masks hopefully that's enough.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Yup and we're supposedly on track for a Coronavirus vaccine by 2021. So with a vaccine, we'd better burn this pandemic out by 2022.

This is why the best way to address a pandemic is to make sure it doesn't happen in the first place. I remember back in November, everyone at my job was pointing and laughing at China about what they were going through. Nobody seemed to have the slightest thought that it would ever reach the U.S. Well hopefully, next time, when there's a contagious virus on the other side of the globe, we won't take it for granted. But seeing that we didn't learn from the Spanish Flu pandemic, then I doubt we'll learn from this one either. So, it will only be a matter of time before we suffer another terrible pandemic and it will be back to square one.

its not about "learning from the Spanish Flu". times are exponentially different in terms of international travel.

so many people/agencies are to blame from the get go. The WHO downplaying the virus at the behest of China was an unbelievable mistake that is unforgivable. China closing off outside countries from visiting while ALLOWING wuhan residents to travel freely out of the country is despicable. the CDC's ever changing "rules/guidelines" from day one is laughable. dont wear a mask, wear a mask, what a joke we all knew was nonsense from the second they said it... and i wont even begin to get into the politics attached to all of this here in the states...

so, from top to bottom, citizens included, this whole pandemic couldnt have been handled any worse in my opinion.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by veritas

Its dangerous for people to put faith in a dusk mask to protect them from a virus. If masks are used as an excuse to have large gatherings and not socially distance which they are to some extent then I'm not sure how much masks even help the general population. Like masks definitely lower your risk but they might be a net negative for society if you use the mask as an excuse to take way bigger risks. Thats part of the problem we have in the us we are opening everything up without dealing with the problem and going well a lot of people are wearing masks hopefully that's enough.

I see that a bit on the news, particularly with stories about airline travel. It's all safe now if we wear a mask! Let's go across the world! They're wearing a surgeon's mask that might protect other people but not quite them from the aerosolized coronavirus particles (non-droplet) that were shown in medical journals to spread across six rows of airplane seats.

In a bit of irony though, the people of this nation are far more likely to infect other people across the globe rather than be infected in an airplane.

[Batman1980]

Yup masks give people a false sense of they can do whatever they want as long as they wear one.

On Monday morning, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced Senate Republicans would introduce a targeted coronavirus relief package on Tuesday. While McConnell was short on details, he indicated it would focus on “health care, education, and economic issues.”

McConnell indicated he hopes for a vote “as soon as this week.”

This follows a similar statement made by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin during an appearance on Fox News Sunday.

“Let’s do a more targeted bill now. If we need to do more in 30 days we’ll continue to do more. But let’s not hold up the American workers and American businesses,” Mnuchin said.

What’s not clear is whether the package would include a second stimulus check. Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have voiced support for direct payments in the next aid deal.

On Friday, President Donald Trump tossed out the idea of utilizing unused funds to pay for additional stimulus directed to Americans.

During a Friday news conference, Trump said Congress should redirect $300 billion in unused coronavirus pandemic relief funds for a second direct payment to Americans in need, according to the New York Post.

“We have $300 billion ready to go, all Congress has to do is say, ‘use it.’” said Trump.

Trump didn’t specify where the $300 billion figure comes from. The Post believes it involves unused business loan money included in the CARES Act passed back in March.

Vice President Mike Pence also voiced support for additional payments.

“Nobody wants to give direct payments to American families more than President Donald Trump. We sent those checks to American families, it helped people through this tough time,” Pence said in a Friday interview with CNBC.

Where’s my second stimulus check? Where we stand as September begins
Last week, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the administration remains willing to work on a bipartisan agreement to help small businesses, the unemployed, children and schools.

“Let’s move forward on a bipartisan basis on points we can agree upon,” Mnuchin urged at a hearing by the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis. “The president and I want to move forward.”

Mnuchin made the case that the economy’s recovery has strengthened in recent weeks, citing improved consumer spending, growth in manufacturing, and a rebounding housing market. It’s the failure of some states to reopen activity that is holding back the economy, he said.

But Democrats insisted that dire economic conditions persist for many. “Millions of Americans are now facing eviction, debt, and hunger,” said the panel’s chairman, Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C. “As the pandemic drags on, states, cities, and businesses are warning that more layoffs may be coming.”

With bipartisan agreement, Congress enacted an unprecedented $2.3 trillion pandemic rescue package in March. Now the Trump administration and top congressional Democrats have been in a months-long stalemate over new relief legislation, with the two sides trillions of dollars apart. Lawmakers left Washington for the August recess without an agreement.

Second stimulus checks: Blame game continues as $1,200 direct payments stalled

Source - KRQE.com

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Source - KRQE.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD1n-DKUIeE

[RustinCohle]

That first $1,200 was spent three days after entering my checking account. Not on anything important. Just towards a new Mac. Another $1,200 would sure be nice.

[Pondosinatra]

Pretty technical....but an interesting read.

If nothing else, take Vitamin D. There's no downside.

"A Supercomputer's Covid-19 Analysis Yields a New Way to Understand the Virus"


https://elemental.medium.com/a-super...d-31cb8eba9d63

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

its not about "learning from the Spanish Flu". times are exponentially different in terms of international travel.

so many people/agencies are to blame from the get go. The WHO downplaying the virus at the behest of China was an unbelievable mistake that is unforgivable. China closing off outside countries from visiting while ALLOWING wuhan residents to travel freely out of the country is despicable. the CDC's ever changing "rules/guidelines" from day one is laughable. dont wear a mask, wear a mask, what a joke we all knew was nonsense from the second they said it... and i wont even begin to get into the politics attached to all of this here in the states...

so, from top to bottom, citizens included, this whole pandemic couldnt have been handled any worse in my opinion.

The funny thing is, my mom (who is not a health expert or doctor) started wearing a mask from day one. When I kept telling her that health experts said that wearing a mask doesn't work, she downright said she doesn't buy it. She was like, "It's common sense. Viruses enter the nose and mouth. So if my nose an mouth are covered, why wouldn't it work?"

Well lo and behold, she was right all along and now, all health experts and doctors are begging and pleading for everyone to wear a mask.

[MrHT]

I'm happy to see number of new cases going down, especially in California, Texas and Florida. Even NY is managing to still go down despite the sloppy behavior I've been noticing lately around here.

I think the U.S. is starting to achieve herd immunity!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I'm happy to see number of new cases going down, especially in California, Texas and Florida. Even NY is managing to still go down despite the sloppy behavior I've been noticing lately around here.

I think the U.S. is starting to achieve herd immunity!

How about people finally taking avoidance practices seriously: wearing masks, social distancing and frequent hand washing/cleaning.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

How about people finally taking avoidance practices seriously: wearing masks, social distancing and frequent hand washing/cleaning.

California in a way is having a more effective shelter in place then when we actually had a shelter in place. the Air quality has been basically toxic for the last 3 weeks on and off so people are just going out less. also only the idiots aren't wearing masks outside right now since the smoke makes that physically painful immediately.

[Penton-Man]

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ine...our-de-france/

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Originally Posted by MrHT

This is why the best way to address a pandemic is to make sure it doesn't happen in the first place. I remember back in November, everyone at my job was pointing and laughing at China about what they were going through. Nobody seemed to have the slightest thought that it would ever reach the U.S. Well hopefully, next time, when there's a contagious virus on the other side of the globe, we won't take it for granted. But seeing that we didn't learn from the Spanish Flu pandemic, then I doubt we'll learn from this one either. So, it will only be a matter of time before we suffer another terrible pandemic and it will be back to square one.

Definitely agree with this. The way this whole pandemic was & is being handled is abysmal - especially in the U.S. It doesn't help that the "powers that be" have been & still are giving such conflicting information so that you don't know WHAT to believe. It's 2020 & medical knowledge/technology is supposedly extremely advanced, especially in developed countries. And, we are STILL getting conflicting information by people that should know the right info. to tell us - but still have their heads up their collective a$$e$:

-First we're told not to wear masks & that it's unhelpful, but that we should wear gloves.

-We're told that we need to wipe down all of our groceries (which I never did because I thought it was a waste of time).

-Then we're told to wear masks, and that these are more important than gloves. Well, why weren't we told this in the beginning?!

-Then we're told we don't need to wipe down groceries.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

Definitely agree with this. The way this whole pandemic was handled has been abysmal - especially in the U.S. It doesn't help that the "powers that be" have been & still are giving such conflicting information so that you don't know WHAT to believe. It's 2020 & medical knowledge/technology is supposedly extremely advanced, especially in developed countries. So, we in the U.S. are STILL getting conflicting information by people that should know the right info. to tell us - but still have their heads up their collective a$$e$:

-First we're told not to wear masks & that it's unhelpful, but that we should wear gloves.

-Then we're told that we need to wipe down all of our groceries (which I never did because I thought it was a waste of time).

-Then we're told to wear masks, and that these are more important than gloves. Well, why weren't we told this in the beginning?!

-Then we're told we don't need to wipe down groceries.

Agreed. And I keep hearing conflicting information about a vaccine. Oh, we're going to have one by Fall. Next day... oh no, we won't have one until mid-2021. And one day I hear that patients who recovered develop strong antibodies. Next day... oh no, people are getting reinfected.

It's driving me insane!

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Anyone that thinks the virus is getting "better" and/or is being lulled into a false sense of security due to the "numbers" allegedly going "down" needs to read this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/summer-co...192137010.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

Definitely agree with this. The way this whole pandemic was & is being handled is abysmal - especially in the U.S. It doesn't help that the "powers that be" have been & still are giving such conflicting information so that you don't know WHAT to believe. It's 2020 & medical knowledge/technology is supposedly extremely advanced, especially in developed countries. And, we are STILL getting conflicting information by people that should know the right info. to tell us - but still have their heads up their collective a$$e$:

-First we're told not to wear masks & that it's unhelpful, but that we should wear gloves....

Yes "The way this whole pandemic was & is being handled is abysmal - especially in the U.S." but I wouldn't be so quick to mock "medical knowledge/technology in 2020".

The seemingly conflicting mask guidance was addressed in sworn testimony to Congress by Dr. Fauci in response to David McKinley’s questioning and you can find the explanation online for context.

Medicine/public health is an ever-evolving science. As more evidenced-based data is submitted and analyzed by those with true, non-biased expertise…..recommendations/guidelines/surgical techniques etc., not uncommonly, change.

For example, instances include that of aspirin use - https://www.inovanewsroom.org/expert...e-aspirin-use/ ,

revised recommendations as to colorectal screening - https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/a...guideline.html

revised recommendations on initial antiretroviral treatment regimen for HIV/AIDS, statin use for the primary prevention of cardiovascular disease, etc.

The reason guidelines may seem to be inappropriately changing very quickly with coronavirus and COVID-19 is because in thee urgency for determining the best path to control or cure this terrible pandemic, given so many people becoming ill or even dying, data is being presented at an accelerated, almost warp speed as compared to addressing other health issues in the past…..which can thusly lead to revised thinking and shifting guidelines, quickly.

The inexcusable and dangerous thing is when organizations like the CDC and FDA (which are supposed to be independent) are meddled with by outside (non-medical) *powers that be*, examples of which we have already seen.

As WHAT to believe, trust in those with a proven track record (Dr. Fauci, etc.) and hope that they are not pressured by outside influencers. I am heartened by the fact that Peter Marks, M.D., PhD, director of the Food and Drug Administration’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-or...on/peter-marks) has stated that he would resign if an unsafe or ineffective vaccine was approved.

[Hayabusa85]

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/dozens-o...arty-1.5096918

This hospital was already shutdown in July due to an outbreak that lead to 11 deaths and just re-opened a few weeks ago just for the idiots that work at it to get the bright idea that a retirement party of around 50 people was a good idea.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

Anyone that thinks the virus is getting "better" and/or is being lulled into a false sense of security due to the "numbers" allegedly going "down" needs to read this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/summer-co...192137010.html

The numbers are going down. It's not alleged. My God, I can't believe the number of people that just can't accept any positive signs and have to go search for negative spin articles for "reassurance".

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

As WHAT to believe, trust in those with a proven track record (Dr. Fauci, etc.) and hope that they are not pressured by outside influencers. I am heartened by the fact that Peter Marks, M.D., PhD, director of the Food and Drug Administration’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-or...on/peter-marks) has stated that he would resign if an unsafe or ineffective vaccine was approved.

Never would I have thought that the vaccine news lately would be cast in such a negative light. Amazing.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Never would I have thought that the vaccine news lately would be cast in such a negative light. Amazing.

Well I had a discussion about that with my wife this evening and we think you can partly attribute that result to the climate over the last few years of disparagement (unmerited in our opinion) of governmental institutions like our intelligence services, the FBI, military leadership, etc. as well as the meddling into health agencies like with the CDC in regards to the back-and-forth issuing of guidelines for schools’ safe reopenings and the likely pressured FDA’s emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine, which based on the data, shouldn’t have been issued in the first place - https://abc7news.com/hydroxychloroqu...mp-19/6249222/ .

So, now there’s an effort thru people like Dr. Marks and the 9 CEOs of vaccine makers with their recent historic safety pledge to try to reassure the public in that they will stand with science –

Drugmakers Say They Will Not Rush Out Vaccine Without Proper Testing | TODAY - YouTube