Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

COVID-19 hospitalizations at all-time high - YouTube

my brother-in-law in the ICU at a University-affiliated hospital in Chicago has taken a downturn with evidence of multi-organ involvement -

hypoxemia despite HIGH vent settings
ejection fraction (cardiac) is in the mid-20s
BUN and Cr are increasing
prognosis is poor

Oh no. Sorry to hear that.

[RustinCohle]

I have a feeling this could turn into a Contagion type of situation with the wrist bands. Once you get the vaccine, you get some kind of proof that you got it. If you don't have that proof, or don't want to get the vaccine, you have to continue wearing a mask OR will just be denied entry to places.

"...for syncing with third party healthcare providers to link COVID vaccine status and/or test results to fans' digital tickets for event entry."

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by RustinCohle

I have a feeling this could turn into a Contagion type of situation with the wrist bands. Once you get the vaccine, you get some kind of proof that you got it. If you don't have that proof, or don't want to get the vaccine, you have to continue wearing a mask OR will just be denied entry to places.

"...for syncing with third party healthcare providers to link COVID vaccine status and/or test results to fans' digital tickets for event entry."

This is a public emergency that has had far-reach repercussions. As such, we should all be willing to contribute to getting this under control. Which means getting the vaccine.

My only concern about that is the possible violence that could be aimed at those who haven't gotten the vaccine. There are those who legitimately can't get vaccines, due to existing health issues, and sadly they will be lumped into the same category as those who just don't want to, or are anti-vaxxers who use medical excuses to avoid getting vaccinated when they have no such health issues.

Keep in mind too that the general population won't be able to get this vaccine until likely mid of next year or later. An article I read yesterday said the general public won't likely be able to easily find the vaccine until late next year. They have lots of logistical challenges ahead, like the fact that it needs to be shipped and stored at around -97F. I read an article yesterday that said roughly half of all vaccines are thrown away due to storage and shipping issues. So factor that in. Then we need to actually come up with a plan for distribution. Drug stores and Wal-Marts? That's a bad idea, as they likely won't have the means to store them at the correct temperatures, plus the dosages need to be accurately tracked - every single dose. And people will need to be reminded to come in for the 2nd dose, as this is a 2-dose vaccine roughly a month apart. Clinics and labs and doctor's offices might make more sense for distribution. Though offering them through Wal-Marts and druig stores may help with public acceptance and make it more convenient to get, which is all good. But they need to track it accurately and follow- up every single person to get that 2nd shot or the vaccine can't do it's job.

As far as safety, long before we're offered it, tens of thousands of healthcare workers and rescue workers will get it first, followed by the elderly, according to what I've read so far. So by the time we get in one, there should be lots of data on how safe it has proven to be. Combined with the current data that already shows a very strong safety profile, I think we shouldn't have anything to worry about regarding trusting the safety of the vaccine.

But sadly a good portion of the public distrusts the vaccine already for no solid reason, just based on fear fueled by other factors I won't get into here. So we have an uphill battle convincing people to get the vaccine. Vaccines only work if people get them.

[Chaotic]

Vaccines usually takes years to make. This one will be made in less than a year. I can understand why people don’t trust it.

[RustinCohle]

Just got insider information from corporate/service office at my work that it's "a good possibility" that we will be closing again soon. I guess they're having meetings right now to discuss how they would do it.

[Pondosinatra]

Race impacts your odds...

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54907473

Heard your blood type also makes a difference - sadly I don't know what my blood type is.

[Hayabusa85]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Race impacts your odds...

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54907473

Heard your blood type also makes a difference - sadly I don't know what my blood type is.

It isn't really that race itself plays the factor and more poverty. Then there are factors like Filipino's that tend to live together as large multi-generation families so if one of them ends up with it it leads to a lot of family spread which was what really fueled the Alberta meat packing outbreak in the early days.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Oh no. Sorry to hear that.

even for those who don’t need a double lung transplant due to severe damage to their lungs – https://www.channel3000.com/woman-wh...from-hospital/
patients (young and old) that do survive after being on a vent in ICU, the recovery phase can be very challenging -

Coronavirus: Inside Minnesota Hospital On The Brink | NBC Nightly News - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’m excited with regards to the Pfizer vaccine news obviously as a tool for fighting COVID-19, but also importantly and arguably, revolutionary is that the mRNA platform (upon which the Pfizer vaccine is based) can be relatively rapidly tweaked (as compared to other vaccine technologies) to help in developing future vaccines for other illnesses including pathogens causing future pandemics – https://qz.com/1931193/pfizers-covid...e-of-vaccines/

Bottom Line: once you have developed the superstructure for the RNA, you can splice in a new gene be it for defense against HIV, Zika, etc. The sobering part of the recent vaccine news for me is meantime thinking about how many more folks will needlessly suffer and die because of, for one thing, complacency or dismissiveness of the seriousness of this pandemic by people not adhering to public health guidelines until highly efficacious vaccines and therapies become widely available.

^ follow-up ->
Good layperson’s explanation on Andrea Mitchell reports in an interview today with the author and Professor Walter Isaacson –
https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchel...al-95724613597

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Vaccines usually takes years to make. This one will be made in less than a year. I can understand why people don’t trust it.

Not me. The second a vaccine is introduced, I'm gonna be like...

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Agree that everyone who can should get the vaccine. If you can't get inoculated for some physical reason (underlying health condition, reaction against these types of vaccines, etc.) that's understandable.

However, if you can get this - you should do it. I don't understand the mentality of anti-vaxxer's -especially in this case. I.e., if you don't care about yourself, fine. But, re: COVID-19 - if you don't get vaccinated, you can have the illness (whether or not you're aware of this) and potentially spread this to someone else who could get extremely sick and possibly die as a result - or else suffer long-term/permanent negative health effects.

Originally Posted by RustinCohle

I have a feeling this could turn into a Contagion type of situation with the wrist bands. Once you get the vaccine, you get some kind of proof that you got it. If you don't have that proof, or don't want to get the vaccine, you have to continue wearing a mask OR will just be denied entry to places.

The problem here is that not everyone will be able to get the vaccine at the same time. So, even if you want to get this - you'll probably be put on a waiting list because of the huge demand, and it could be an extremely long time before you can be inoculated. So, hopefully those of us who have to wait a while for this - won't be penalized for not getting the vaccine right away.

[mar3o]

Somebody want to explain to me what purpose this article has, other than to be socially irresponsible?:

Covid-19 vaccine may have unpleasant side effects. That will mean it's working.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-...100438136.html

So similar side-effects as the flu-shot: "flu-like side effects — including sore arms, muscle aches and fever".

But people will see this and now even more people won't take it. nice job, Yahoo. Quality reporting. They worded that headline for clicks of course. Regardless of the harm it causes. How about: "Covid-19 vaccine will have similar side effects as the flu vaccine"? But that isn't as dramatic.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Vaccines usually takes years to make. This one will be made in less than a year. I can understand why people don’t trust it.

Vaccines usually don't have the entire planet simultaneously working on trying to develop one to curb a pandemic. This one had that benefit.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Vaccines usually don't have the entire planet simultaneously working on trying to develop one to curb a pandemic. This one had that benefit.

Also seldom stated is this vaccine was not started from scratch - it was based on the work already done on a Sars vaccine.

[The Great Owl]

I'm the only person in my office here in Georgia who bothers wearing a mask. I wear a mask whenever I'm indoors anywhere except for my own home, and I also wear one outdoors if I cannot socially distance in certain situations.

A week or so ago, a co-worker asked me why I always wear a mask in the office. I told her about a running acquaintance, a Boston Marathon qualifier, who spent three days on a ventilator because of COVID-19 and had to walk around his house with assistance for weeks. This co-worker asked me, “What else was wrong with him?”
When I told her that the guy had been perfectly healthy, she replied, “That’s the first time I’ve ever heard of somebody healthy having trouble with it. Most of the people who get really sick are unhealthy people who should have taken better care of themselves”

She then told me, “Hospitals are over-counting the deaths, and it’s all political. People shouldn’t be politicizing this. They’re making a big issue out of it. I only wear a mask when I’m absolutely required to. I just want all of this to go away. I’m sick of it.”

This co-worker is an engineer who should know better.

I did not argue with her, simply because I did not know where to begin. The sheer level of gaslighting with regard to her beliefs just amazed me.

This co-worker is not an out-of-ordinary example here in Georgia. Most of the people down here seem to share her opinions. This country is losing its mind. I feel like Donald Sutherland's character at the end of the movie, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, as though I'm the last normal human alive on Earth and all of the others are having their minds taken over.

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I feel like Donald Sutherland's character at the end of the movie, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, as though I'm the last normal human alive on Earth and all of the others are having their minds taken over.

Uhhhh, it must have been a while since you've seen that movie...

[Show spoiler]

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

similar in class to Regeneron’s cocktail, a monoclonal antibody therapy administered thru IV infusion –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

in the spirit of doing my part to contribute to society, like the volunteers to vaccine trials, the same monoclonals that I may have gotten (if not the placebo) a couple months back – https://www.avsforum.com/threads/mas...#post-60012459

Because, recently, some promising data were reported - https://investor.regeneron.com/news-...ral-levels-and

me, at the time of infusion -

Eli Lilly’s bamlanivilab is another very promising and successful (if given during the appropriate phase of COVID-19) weapon in the fight against COVID-19….https://www.newsandtribune.com/coron...2e671b642.html

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

Uhhhh, it must have been a while since you've seen that movie...

[Show spoiler]

I am well-versed with the ending, because it's one of my favorite movies, but I didn't want to give away spoilers. My sentence is close enough to the general gist of the film.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I'm the only person in my office here in Georgia who bothers wearing a mask. I wear a mask whenever I'm indoors anywhere except for my own home, and I also wear one outdoors if I cannot socially distance in certain situations.

A week or so ago, a co-worker asked me why I always wear a mask in the office. I told her about a running acquaintance, a Boston Marathon qualifier, who spent three days on a ventilator because of COVID-19 and had to walk around his house with assistance for weeks. This co-worker asked me, “What else was wrong with him?”
When I told her that the guy had been perfectly healthy, she replied, “That’s the first time I’ve ever heard of somebody healthy having trouble with it. Most of the people who get really sick are unhealthy people who should have taken better care of themselves”

She then told me, “Hospitals are over-counting the deaths, and it’s all political. People shouldn’t be politicizing this. They’re making a big issue out of it. I only wear a mask when I’m absolutely required to. I just want all of this to go away. I’m sick of it.”

This co-worker is an engineer who should know better.

I did not argue with her, simply because I did not know where to begin. The sheer level of gaslighting with regard to her beliefs just amazed me.

This co-worker is not an out-of-ordinary example here in Georgia. Most of the people down here seem to share her opinions. This country is losing its mind. I feel like Donald Sutherland's character at the end of the movie, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, as though I'm the last normal human alive on Earth and all of the others are having their minds taken over.

I’ll just say that many seem to have joined a cult that doesn’t believe medical science.

In addition, before I retired I had a public facing job in insurance claims. Some of the more difficult customers had an “I know better” attitude. Engineers, teachers and preachers were often difficult. We always tried to reach a mutual understanding with our clients, but not always successfully.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I'm the only person in my office here in Georgia who bothers wearing a mask. I wear a mask whenever I'm indoors anywhere except for my own home, and I also wear one outdoors if I cannot socially distance in certain situations.

A week or so ago, a co-worker asked me why I always wear a mask in the office. I told her about a running acquaintance, a Boston Marathon qualifier, who spent three days on a ventilator because of COVID-19 and had to walk around his house with assistance for weeks. This co-worker asked me, “What else was wrong with him?”
When I told her that the guy had been perfectly healthy, she replied, “That’s the first time I’ve ever heard of somebody healthy having trouble with it. Most of the people who get really sick are unhealthy people who should have taken better care of themselves”

She then told me, “Hospitals are over-counting the deaths, and it’s all political. People shouldn’t be politicizing this. They’re making a big issue out of it. I only wear a mask when I’m absolutely required to. I just want all of this to go away. I’m sick of it.”

This co-worker is an engineer who should know better.

I did not argue with her, simply because I did not know where to begin. The sheer level of gaslighting with regard to her beliefs just amazed me.

This co-worker is not an out-of-ordinary example here in Georgia. Most of the people down here seem to share her opinions. This country is losing its mind. I feel like Donald Sutherland's character at the end of the movie, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, as though I'm the last normal human alive on Earth and all of the others are having their minds taken over.

And this is why we're still where we are at this point.