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Dubstar · 01-26-2012, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by saprano

Ok im confused. So why the use of 2 2K projectors and the said resolution? Are you talking about fake imax? Not that i've ever seen one. My regal theater has the real deal.

because at the time IMAX implementing digital technology, 2K was the only option, the use of Sony 4K wasn't acceptable. Now with TI 4K DLP chips, higher resolution can be achieved, newer projector's also have higher light output for larger screens. Under the current time line, Kodak and IMAX are phasing out all the 15/70 screens starting around Spring of next year - this is unfortunate because 70mm horizontal IMAX stock, I feel looks superior to digital capture.

saprano · 01-27-2012, 12:25 AM

So no more 70mm projection at imax????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dubstar · 01-27-2012, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by saprano

So no more 70mm projection at imax????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nope, but I'm not sure how this is being weeded out since Kodak recently filed for bankruptcy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1015342.html

"Under the agreement announced Sunday, Imax Co. will have exclusive use of Kodak's laser projection technology. The Kodak patents will allow Imax to provide high-quality digital content for theater screens larger than 80 feet and domed theaters for the first time. Screens that large had previously been limited to film content, the companies said.

IMAX said it expects to introduce the new laser-projection technology by the second half of 2013"

saprano · 01-27-2012, 01:07 AM

The only 70mm imax left in NY is the AMC Loews Lincoln Square. The regal theater i use to go to sinced it opened in 1999 has switched to digital. All the rest of the original 15/70 are museums.

Man that sucks!!!!!! Why do good things never last? Shit always prevails.

Guess i'll be going to the AMC imax. Until thats changed to digital too.

saprano · 01-27-2012, 01:09 AM

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screens that large had previously been limited to film content, the companies said.

like thats a bad thing!!!!!!

Dubstar · 01-27-2012, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by saprano

like thats a bad thing!!!!!!

yeah apparently the IMAX documentaries in museums just don't cut it - the Hollywood features bring in the crowds -

even though the Smithsonian occasionally books the random 'Hollywood' IMAX fodder, the film booker who I have had emailed conversations regarding this, still maintains that the need and mission of the museums to provide content and film's that compliment the Smithsonian's goal to educate museum goers that IMAX doc's provide.

Dubstar · 01-27-2012, 02:18 AM

sorry to be digressing from the original topic but here's some more brand new news regarding Kodak IMAX deal:

(from a New York Times article http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...s-in-theaters/ dated Jan. 26)

For the IMAX Corporation, the future is brighter, larger and in 3-D.

The company is developing prototypes of new laser technologies that will allow for drastically larger and brighter screens by 2013.

“We have purchased the rights to parts of 10,000 patents from Kodak that will throw much more light on screens than you see today,” said Richard L. Gelfond, IMAX’s chief executive, in an interview at Documented@Davos, an event held by Scribd and Mashable. “We have developed cameras that are filming the screen and giving real-time feedback to the projectors to optimize the experience.”

Today’s IMAX screen sizes span 80 to 90 feet. The new technology is expected to widen the screens to 140 feet.

Mr. Gelfond said IMAX engineers had been experimenting with futuristic applications for theatrical, live sports and musical events.

~~~

ugh - widen the image?! - that sounds horrible, I like my IMAX screens at 4:3

saprano · 01-27-2012, 06:40 AM

Wouldn't that mean films shot in imax are going to be stretched?

saprano · 01-27-2012, 07:43 PM

Sorry to continue off topic but i called my regal theater and they said they will be bringing back the 70mm projection for the dark night rises. I asked are they going to be doing this everytime a film is shot in imax he said yes.

So why get rid of it in the first place? I know its money, as he said, but still.

Dubstar · 01-27-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by saprano

Wouldn't that mean films shot in imax are going to be stretched?

I really don't hope so, I'm not too keen on all this IMAX-Digital crap anyway, and to mess around with the dimensions and such in 4:3 IMAX theaters seems like a very bad idea.

Constitution 101 · 01-28-2012, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

There will never be 4k content on Blu-Ray. No Blu-Ray player can display 4k content and even if they could it would require 4x more disk capacity that Blu-Ray players can't read

Therefore if 4k content were to come to market it would essentially be a new format not Blu-Ray

I don't expect to ever see a 4k format either. I expect 4k home media to come via download only unfortunitly

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4381...n-blu-ray-2013
Your thoughts?

saprano · 01-28-2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubstar

I really don't hope so, I'm not too keen on all this IMAX-Digital crap anyway, and to mess around with the dimensions and such in 4:3 IMAX theaters seems like a very bad idea.

I don't like it either.

I don't hate digital. It has its place. I just prefer the organic look of film. Digital can never replicate that look and feel.

Deciazulado · 01-29-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by saprano

Wouldn't that mean films shot in imax are going to be stretched?

Curtains?

btw all this Xk vs Yk vs film vs digital, remember, the resolution recorded on the negative is never seen on film projection. I think 1080p on direct view can take on VistaVision if done correctly. VV projection that is.

Duping, vibration, focus, lens can make a big film k into a little k.
on direct digital -> digital panel those are bypassed

slimdude · 01-30-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by saprano

I don't like it either.

I don't hate digital. It has its place. I just prefer the organic look of film. Digital can never replicate that look and feel.

Ditto! Certain theatrical presentations, just can't be emulated for the home theater market like an IMAX feature. It will never be!

Penton-Man · 02-09-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...so that 4k workflow is expected to become the norm in high-end cinema productions in the very near future. Lower end productions should follow accordingly with time.

Like, for instance, small independent French films [35 mm (Kodak Vision3 200T 5213) -> 4k D.I.]…

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Flatnate · 02-09-2012, 09:30 PM

Yeah I know digital IMAX in the past has used two double stacked 2k resolution Christie DLP projectors. I read some literature that claims this produces a 4k resolution 2D image but I don't know how their proprietary technology would do this. Maybe its kinda like JVC's E-shift or some kind of wobulation.

I welcome 4K for the home and most theaters but ditching 15/70mm for 4K on a five story traditional IMAX screen seems like a crime. If they scrap out all of the 15/70mm completely it will be a sad sad day.

Dubstar · 02-09-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flatnate

Yeah I know digital IMAX in the past has used two double stacked 2k resolution Christie DLP projectors. I read some literature that claims this produces a 4k resolution 2D image but I don't know how their proprietary technology would do this. Maybe its kinda like JVC's E-shift or some kind of wobulation.

I welcome 4K for the home and most theaters but ditching 15/70mm for 4K on a five story traditional IMAX screen seems like a crime. If they scrap out all of the 15/70mm completely it will be a sad sad day.

two 2K projector's do not produce true 4K resolution despite the math.

the conversion of the 15/70 screens will be implementing the new IMAX/Kodak/Barco laser technology - no specs on 4K resolution, but since the Barco DP systems use 4K DLP chips there no reason why the IMAX/Barco laser projectors wouldn't be the same.

saprano · 02-09-2012, 10:10 PM

The AMC lincoln square IMAX in New York will be keeping the 70mm projection i was told.

I've never been there. I always went to regal cinema. Looks like i'll be going to AMC from now on.

Dubstar · 02-09-2012, 10:12 PM

^ they have a year and 10 months til all the IMAX screens have and will begin the digital conversion.

you haven't been there?! it's a great HUGE screen.

saprano · 02-09-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Curtains?

btw all this Xk vs Yk vs film vs digital, remember, the resolution recorded on the negative is never seen on film projection. I think 1080p on direct view can take on VistaVision if done correctly. VV projection that is.

Duping, vibration, focus, lens can make a big film k into a little k.
on direct digital -> digital panel those are bypassed

Is this why bluray looks better than the theater sometimes?

I think i sparked a discussion in pentons thread about this awhile back.

EDIT- Why indeed i did-

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4637

01-27-2012, 02:18 AM	#127
Dubstar Blu-ray Prince Member since: Jun 2008 Location: down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 22,459 Thanks: 9,112 Thanked 8,648 times in 4,696 posts	sorry to be digressing from the original topic but here's some more brand new news regarding Kodak IMAX deal: (from a New York Times article http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...s-in-theaters/ dated Jan. 26) For the IMAX Corporation, the future is brighter, larger and in 3-D. The company is developing prototypes of new laser technologies that will allow for drastically larger and brighter screens by 2013. “We have purchased the rights to parts of 10,000 patents from Kodak that will throw much more light on screens than you see today,” said Richard L. Gelfond, IMAX’s chief executive, in an interview at Documented@Davos, an event held by Scribd and Mashable. “We have developed cameras that are filming the screen and giving real-time feedback to the projectors to optimize the experience.” Today’s IMAX screen sizes span 80 to 90 feet. The new technology is expected to widen the screens to 140 feet. Mr. Gelfond said IMAX engineers had been experimenting with futuristic applications for theatrical, live sports and musical events. ~~~ ugh - widen the image?! - that sounds horrible, I like my IMAX screens at 4:3 Last edited by Dubstar; 01-27-2012 at 02:21 AM.

01-27-2012, 12:25 AM	#122
saprano Blu-ray Champion Member since: Oct 2007 Location: Bronx, New York Posts: 12,142 Thanks: 222 Thanked 613 times in 324 posts	So no more 70mm projection at imax????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-27-2012, 01:07 AM	#124
saprano Blu-ray Champion Member since: Oct 2007 Location: Bronx, New York Posts: 12,142 Thanks: 222 Thanked 613 times in 324 posts	The only 70mm imax left in NY is the AMC Loews Lincoln Square. The regal theater i use to go to sinced it opened in 1999 has switched to digital. All the rest of the original 15/70 are museums. Man that sucks!!!!!! Why do good things never last? Shit always prevails. Guess i'll be going to the AMC imax. Until thats changed to digital too.

01-27-2012, 06:40 AM	#128
saprano Blu-ray Champion Member since: Oct 2007 Location: Bronx, New York Posts: 12,142 Thanks: 222 Thanked 613 times in 324 posts	Wouldn't that mean films shot in imax are going to be stretched?

01-27-2012, 07:43 PM	#129
saprano Blu-ray Champion Member since: Oct 2007 Location: Bronx, New York Posts: 12,142 Thanks: 222 Thanked 613 times in 324 posts	Sorry to continue off topic but i called my regal theater and they said they will be bringing back the 70mm projection for the dark night rises. I asked are they going to be doing this everytime a film is shot in imax he said yes. So why get rid of it in the first place? I know its money, as he said, but still.

02-09-2012, 09:30 PM	#136
Flatnate Power Member Member since: Sep 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,551 Thanks: 56 Thanked 42 times in 28 posts	Yeah I know digital IMAX in the past has used two double stacked 2k resolution Christie DLP projectors. I read some literature that claims this produces a 4k resolution 2D image but I don't know how their proprietary technology would do this. Maybe its kinda like JVC's E-shift or some kind of wobulation. I welcome 4K for the home and most theaters but ditching 15/70mm for 4K on a five story traditional IMAX screen seems like a crime. If they scrap out all of the 15/70mm completely it will be a sad sad day.

02-09-2012, 10:10 PM	#138
saprano Blu-ray Champion Member since: Oct 2007 Location: Bronx, New York Posts: 12,142 Thanks: 222 Thanked 613 times in 324 posts	The AMC lincoln square IMAX in New York will be keeping the 70mm projection i was told. I've never been there. I always went to regal cinema. Looks like i'll be going to AMC from now on.

02-09-2012, 10:12 PM	#139
Dubstar Blu-ray Prince Member since: Jun 2008 Location: down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 22,459 Thanks: 9,112 Thanked 8,648 times in 4,696 posts	^ they have a year and 10 months til all the IMAX screens have and will begin the digital conversion. you haven't been there?! it's a great HUGE screen.