HDR Discussion Thread - Page 11 - Blu-ray Forum

Penton-Man · 06-30-2016, 06:40 PM

For those not qualified for access to reading the event presentations which are now online, Andy Q. (5 down -> https://tech.ebu.ch/events/hdr2016;j...D8F04FA8C4C244 ) revealed an HDR-tv tidbit which will become relevant shortly in the days to come.

Also, a tip of the hat again to neuroscientist (with training at the NIH

), Jenny (4 down on the list) for her presentation at the event.

puddy77 · 06-30-2016, 08:13 PM

I have not seen it mentioned before, but someone just pointed out to me that when YouTube eventually supports HDR, it will be HLG in VP9 Profile 2. See this video at the 31 minute mark: https://youtu.be/HukWdsRayqQ?t=31m4s

astb41 · 06-30-2016, 11:52 PM

recently jumped into 4k with a samsung js8500. does it automatically recognize HDR when available, such as with Netflix and Amazon, or do I have to "turn it on" in the menu? There's an option to turn on HDMI UHD Color for specific HDMI inputs but looks like that's just for using it as a PC monitor.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sam...s8500/settings

This says, "if you want to benefit from the wider color gamut of this TV, set 'Color Space' to 'Native'." would that be it?

FilmFreakosaurus · 07-01-2016, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by astb41

recently jumped into 4k with a samsung js8500. does it automatically recognize HDR when available, such as with Netflix and Amazon, or do I have to "turn it on" in the menu? There's an option to turn on HDMI UHD Color for specific HDMI inputs but looks like that's just for using it as a PC monitor.

This says, "if you want to benefit from the wider color gamut of this TV, set 'Color Space' to 'Native'." would that be it?

It will react when it gets an HDR10 signal. Backlighting and contrast will jump to the max automatically.

Set to Native color for wide color gamut mapping support on 4k material.

If you plug in a UHD Blu-ray player or external 4k streaming box, also set the HDMI port to HDMI UHD Color. That's what that mode is for and the Js8500 goes into a 10 bit processing setting, which will cause a reboot.

russtcb · 07-01-2016, 11:02 AM

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, but I have a Samsung KS9500 and I got the firmware update (1112) that allows HDR+ yesterday.

I gotta tell ya, from what I can tell it works really well. I'm hoping for more clarity on how exactly this works soon, but for now I am very happy with the result.

astb41 · 07-01-2016, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

It will react when it gets an HDR10 signal. Backlighting and contrast will jump to the max automatically.

Set to Native color for wide color gamut mapping support on 4k material.

If you plug in a UHD Blu-ray player or external 4k streaming box, also set the HDMI port to HDMI UHD Color. That's what that mode is for and the Js8500 goes into a 10 bit processing setting, which will cause a reboot.

Thanks! I don't have any external 4K boxes right now but I will adjust as I acquire them. And the TV should recognize HDR on its built in apps? I use the tv's Netflix, Amazon, etc as opposed to something external

Penton-Man · 07-01-2016, 07:24 PM

SCRG is back!…. https://www.shootonline.com/spw/hpa-...scrg-reignites

although *the date has been changed to Aug. 3* because some people actually go out of town for a long 4th of July holiday weekend to unwind. As to the 3rd bullet point (HDR Remaster without the creative talent….), dvdmike, even if you can ……should you do it?

for $$. Come to think of it, when was the colorist defined as the 'creative'.

*https://www.eventbrite.com/e/scrg-ev...ts-26087115264

pspence01 · 07-03-2016, 03:33 PM

Hi guys quick question for you.
Recently got my Samsung uhd 4K player yesterday.
I have a Panasonic tx 50cx802b which has HDR.

I'm super impressed with the HDR but had a question regarding gamma.
When HDR comes on the backlight contrast gets maxed which I'm fine with but gamma is 2.2.
Should I set it to 2.4 or bt.1886?

Outlaw1986 · 07-04-2016, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Outlaw1986

I'm reading a couple conflicting sources and neither one very reliable I think. Was my tv made hdr compatible with a firmware upgrade or not? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-...carousel-modal
Thanks!

Edit: I found this link that says Samsung are updating all their 2015 uhd and suhd tvs to hdr compatible, https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...hd-and-uhd-tvs but I can't find anything after they actually did it or a list of the tvs they updated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414

Yes, they all got updates to hdr decoding.

Does anybody know why the Netflix 4k titles doesn't show the HDR logo if my tv supposedly had the firmware update to support HDR?

ray0414 · 07-04-2016, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlaw1986

Does anybody know why the Netflix 4k titles doesn't show the HDR logo if my tv supposedly had the firmware update to support HDR?

2015 samsung tvs haven't been updated for netflix hdr yet. Supposedly a tizen app is still being developed. You can use the Shield device for netflix hdr until then.

ray0414 · 07-04-2016, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russtcb

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, but I have a Samsung KS9500 and I got the firmware update (1112) that allows HDR+ yesterday.

I gotta tell ya, from what I can tell it works really well. I'm hoping for more clarity on how exactly this works soon, but for now I am very happy with the result.

Ive seen alot of people say they like it quite a bit. There's a good explanation for how it works with the recent reviews of the ks9500 on avforums.com and hdtvtest.com

Outlaw1986 · 07-04-2016, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414

2015 samsung tvs haven't been updated for netflix hdr yet. Supposedly a tizen app is still being developed. You can use the Shield device for netflix hdr until then.

Thanks, I would get the Shield but I'm going to hold out for the release of the Xbox One S. I just finally upgraded my Netflix to the 4k plan after getting this tv about a year ago. Would any other apps like the you tube app or some other app show something in HDR? I'd just like to watch a quick clip or something so I can test it before I get my player.

FilmFreakosaurus · 07-04-2016, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlaw1986

Thanks, I would get the Shield but I'm going to hold out for the release of the Xbox One S. I just finally upgraded my Netflix to the 4k plan after getting this tv about a year ago. Would any other apps like the you tube app or some other app show something in HDR? I'd just like to watch a quick clip or something so I can test it before I get my player.

Amazon. But. you have to drop down toward the bottom of the program list. Not all UHD stuff has HDR.

Outlaw1986 · 07-04-2016, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Amazon. But. you have to drop down toward the bottom of the program list. Not all UHD stuff has HDR.

Thanks, I don't got Amazon Prime though so that's not an option either.

I can wait for the Xbox One S though, I just don't see the point of getting a suhd streaming box now when in less then 2 months I'll have the xbox that's suppose to support all these things. Just wish there was some way to test it.

FilmFreakosaurus · 07-04-2016, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlaw1986

Thanks, I don't have Amazon Prime though so that's not an option either.

I can wait for the Xbox One S though, I just don't see the point of getting a suhd streaming box now when in less then 2 months I'll have the xbox that's suppose to support all these things. Just wish there was some way to test it.

If you have any interest in the new immersive surround formats (Dolby Atmos & DTS:X), then the Xbox S is not for you. It does not bitstream audio, which is a requirement in order to get the object data to a compatible receiver or pre-amp.

ray0414 · 07-04-2016, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlaw1986

Thanks, I don't got Amazon Prime though so that's not an option either.

I can wait for the Xbox One S though, I just don't see the point of getting a suhd streaming box now when in less then 2 months I'll have the xbox that's suppose to support all these things. Just wish there was some way to test it.

here are some gorgious HDR demos.

the top 2 are dolby vision demos, you can ignore those, the others are HDR10.

https://mega.nz/#F!aBAGBJBb!vGOiLiLo9HT7fBA1qww3-Q

puddy77 · 07-04-2016, 08:24 PM

HD Guru interviewed Roland Vlaicu of Dolby about DV support on UBD: http://hdguru.com/dolby-vision-ultra...-mediatek-soc/

I guess we're waiting for those Dolby chips.

ray0414 · 07-05-2016, 02:55 AM

this is from Marco Polo. The blowout in sky is corrected and the trees now have a deeper, more realistic green to it. also more detail in the tree bark. nice example here of very good HDR grading (dolby vision)

SDR top
Dolby Vision bottom

batman2000 · 07-05-2016, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414

this is from Marco Polo. The blowout in sky is corrected and the trees now have a deeper, more realistic green to it. also more detail in the tree bark. nice example here of very good HDR grading (dolby vision)

which is which?

PS3_Kiwi · 07-05-2016, 05:08 AM

I must be an idiot also, as I can't see the difference either.

Going by those pics, I have decided that I don't need a 12 bit screen. 10 bit will do quite nicely thank you.

I am an old prick with failing eyesight but, really.

07-05-2016, 02:55 AM	#218
ray0414 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2015 Location:Michigan, USA, 35yo Trading Score:9	this is from Marco Polo. The blowout in sky is corrected and the trees now have a deeper, more realistic green to it. also more detail in the tree bark. nice example here of very good HDR grading (dolby vision) SDR top Dolby Vision bottom Last edited by ray0414; 07-05-2016 at 06:16 AM.

06-30-2016, 06:40 PM	#201
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	For those not qualified for access to reading the event presentations which are now online, Andy Q. (5 down -> https://tech.ebu.ch/events/hdr2016;j...D8F04FA8C4C244 ) revealed an HDR-tv tidbit which will become relevant shortly in the days to come. Also, a tip of the hat again to neuroscientist (with training at the NIH ), Jenny (4 down on the list) for her presentation at the event.

06-30-2016, 08:13 PM	#202
puddy77 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2008 Trading Score:2	I have not seen it mentioned before, but someone just pointed out to me that when YouTube eventually supports HDR, it will be HLG in VP9 Profile 2. See this video at the 31 minute mark: https://youtu.be/HukWdsRayqQ?t=31m4s

06-30-2016, 11:52 PM	#203
astb41 Active Member Member since:Mar 2010 Location:San Clemente, CA 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:192	recently jumped into 4k with a samsung js8500. does it automatically recognize HDR when available, such as with Netflix and Amazon, or do I have to "turn it on" in the menu? There's an option to turn on HDMI UHD Color for specific HDMI inputs but looks like that's just for using it as a PC monitor. http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sam...s8500/settings This says, "if you want to benefit from the wider color gamut of this TV, set 'Color Space' to 'Native'." would that be it?

07-01-2016, 11:02 AM	#205
russtcb Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Detroit Blu-ray collection:424 Blu-ray reviews:2	Didn't want to start a new thread for this, but I have a Samsung KS9500 and I got the firmware update (1112) that allows HDR+ yesterday. I gotta tell ya, from what I can tell it works really well. I'm hoping for more clarity on how exactly this works soon, but for now I am very happy with the result.

07-01-2016, 07:24 PM	#207
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	SCRG is back!…. https://www.shootonline.com/spw/hpa-...scrg-reignites although the date has been changed to Aug. 3 because some people actually go out of town for a long 4th of July holiday weekend to unwind. As to the 3rd bullet point (HDR Remaster without the creative talent….), dvdmike, even if you can ……should you do it? for $$. Come to think of it, when was the colorist defined as the 'creative'. *https://www.eventbrite.com/e/scrg-ev...ts-26087115264

07-03-2016, 03:33 PM	#208
pspence01 Active Member Member since:Apr 2015 4K collection:68 Blu-ray collection:68	Hi guys quick question for you. Recently got my Samsung uhd 4K player yesterday. I have a Panasonic tx 50cx802b which has HDR. I'm super impressed with the HDR but had a question regarding gamma. When HDR comes on the backlight contrast gets maxed which I'm fine with but gamma is 2.2. Should I set it to 2.4 or bt.1886?

07-04-2016, 08:24 PM	#217
puddy77 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2008 Trading Score:2	HD Guru interviewed Roland Vlaicu of Dolby about DV support on UBD: http://hdguru.com/dolby-vision-ultra...-mediatek-soc/ I guess we're waiting for those Dolby chips.

07-05-2016, 05:08 AM	#220
PS3_Kiwi Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Christchurch, New Zealand 4K collection:173 Blu-ray collection:173 iTunes collection:564 Trading Score:5	I must be an idiot also, as I can't see the difference either. Going by those pics, I have decided that I don't need a 12 bit screen. 10 bit will do quite nicely thank you. I am an old prick with failing eyesight but, really.

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