4K Movies Releases

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Originally Posted by cembros

All the speculation regarding HDMI 2.0 and what I can provided I have started to wonder, does it matter? We have had 1080p for years yet we still watch broadcast in 720p/1080i. Is there really going to be any content to take advantage of 2.0? The next generation of games systems will be 4k capable but will games be 4k? I don't think I ever played a native 1080p game on the PS3. I'm starting to think a lot of what it can provide is useless much like deep color and 32bit displays. Thoughts?

When the new HEVC/h.265 codec becomes official it will happen, there has been alot of broadcast testing of the HEVC codec all over the world for the last two years along with other testing with phones, electronics, computers etc. The HEVC codec is almost final. There has been alot of action on the HEVC front of late http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Ef...y_Video_Coding

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hdmi 2.0 & the HEVC/H.265 codec has to be finalized first before the BDA consortium can decide on anything.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by img eL

When the new HEVC/h.265 codec becomes official it will happen, there has been alot of broadcast testing of the HEVC codec all over the world for the last two years along with other testing with phones, electronics, computers etc. The HEVC codec is almost final. There has been alot of action on the HEVC front of late http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Ef...y_Video_Coding

So what are you thinking we will realistically see for broadcast? 1080P? 4k? 30hz, 60hz?

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Originally Posted by cembros

So what are you thinking we will realistically see for broadcast? 1080P? 4k? 30hz, 60hz?

There has been a amazing amount of broadcast HEVC testing in the past 2 years. The HEVC codec makes broadcasting 1080P, 4K alot easier. The ability will be there. With all the Broadcast testing makes me think it will happen within 1 year.

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by cembros

All the speculation regarding HDMI 2.0 and what I can provided I have started to wonder, does it matter? We have had 1080p for years yet we still watch broadcast in 720p/1080i. Is there really going to be any content to take advantage of 2.0? The next generation of games systems will be 4k capable but will games be 4k? I don't think I ever played a native 1080p game on the PS3. I'm starting to think a lot of what it can provide is useless much like deep color and 32bit displays. Thoughts?

Well, if you ask the VP of Microsoft, he stated their new console's hardware can handle 4K games no problem. Even if that's true, you wouldn't see the developers render games in 4K when there's no displays or HDMI 2.0 ports to use it with. They'll simply release the same console w/ the new HDMI 2.0 port in a few years when 4K displays/video are more mainstream. Thats's what they did w/ the current console-component, VGA, DVI, HDMI 1.2a, 1.3, etc...

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Originally Posted by Constitution 101

Well, if you ask the VP of Microsoft, he stated their new console's hardware can handle 4K games no problem. Even if that's true, you wouldn't see the developers render games in 4K when there's no displays or HDMI 2.0 ports to use it with. They'll simply release the same console w/ the new HDMI 2.0 port in a few years when 4K displays/video are more mainstream. Thats's what they did w/ the current console-component, VGA, DVI, HDMI 1.2a, 1.3, etc...

Sony or Microsoft will not have 4K games there hardware can't handle it. Both will be able to play 4K movies

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You guys have got me feeling sorry now for the new SONY 4K TVs. Not sure if there is a significant difference in PQ between the 84 incher and the smaller models or, the fact that a retailer set-up rarely demonstrates the full potential of a TV… in contradistinction to something like viewing such tech at the SID Display Week http://www.sid.org/ . Anyway, I think we need a little testimonial balance here. So in that regard, from a professional calibrator who arguably sees and critically evaluates more consumer displays in a year than 99% of the population….

“To summarize this is the first product I have seen that I would consider to replace my Pioneer 151FD which is something I thought might not happen for many years. This is not to say it is without flaws. The anti-glare coatings on this along with the off-axis viewing are much worse than my Pioneer. I am excitedly waiting for the day when the price of these products drop to the point that more consumers can enter the age of 4K.” - - from http://homecinemaguru.com/?p=3655

b.t.w., for new readers to the thread, in regards to the hidden test signals which Jeff refers to in his testimonial - “The hidden (7669) resolution pattern found on Sony Blu-Rays has also never looked better.”

For some background on those, see – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ry#post7591928

I love my Sony HX929, but I was at the Value Electronics shootout where the 4K Sony 65" was calibrated and displayed and I can't say I saw any improvement whatsoever over my set. In fact, the color may have been off in that in scenes from Lawrence of Arabia, the sand and water was much redder than that displayed on the Panny and Samsung plasmas. (And to repeat, the sets were all calibrated). The strange thing was that in the test graphs, the Sony tracked color very well and had just about the same results as the two plasmas, but nonetheless, it still looked very different.

As for native 4K material, I could only see a difference (much to my surprise) when I was within two feet of the screen. There's a scene on the Sony 4K demo reel where they show a standard and 4K comparison of a newspaper page. The type was much sharper on the 4K, but only when standing very close to the set.

Off-axis viewing of the Sony was really terrible. I think it was even worse than my HX929.

So that was all a bit disappointing, but also a bit of a relief, because I do not want to spend $7K (or whatever it is) on that Sony. Although I do love my HX929, if I were buying today, I'd buy the Panny TC-P65VT60. There was absolutely no difference in picture quality between the VT60 and the ZT60.

[PeterTHX]

Interesting article that 4K is now making it into TV production (even Netflix):
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/art...velopment_.php

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Interesting article that 4K is now making it into TV production (even Netflix):
[url="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/"]

4K on Netflix would cause nothing but problems @ this point in time, its great that there planning ahead with 4K

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I love my Sony HX929, but I was at the Value Electronics shootout where the 4K Sony 65" was calibrated and displayed and I can't say I saw any improvement whatsoever over my set. In fact, the color may have been off in that in scenes from Lawrence of Arabia, the sand and water was much redder than that displayed on the Panny and Samsung plasmas. (And to repeat, the sets were all calibrated). The strange thing was that in the test graphs, the Sony tracked color very well and had just about the same results as the two plasmas, but nonetheless, it still looked very different.

As for native 4K material, I could only see a difference (much to my surprise) when I was within two feet of the screen. There's a scene on the Sony 4K demo reel where they show a standard and 4K comparison of a newspaper page. The type was much sharper on the 4K, but only when standing very close to the set.

Off-axis viewing of the Sony was really terrible. I think it was even worse than my HX929.

So that was all a bit disappointing, but also a bit of a relief, because I do not want to spend $7K (or whatever it is) on that Sony. Although I do love my HX929, if I were buying today, I'd buy the Panny TC-P65VT60. There was absolutely no difference in picture quality between the VT60 and the ZT60.

4K is really going to show visible differences at normal distances on massive displays. It makes most sense for those projecting 10' plus images. Otherwise the difference is going to like watching Blu-ray vs DVD on a 6" screen.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

4K is really going to show visible differences at normal distances on massive displays. It makes most sense for those projecting 10' plus images. Otherwise the difference is going to like watching Blu-ray vs DVD on a 6" screen.

So is that like a argument against retina displays?

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

So is that like a argument against retina displays?

Even those claims include distance, a key factor.

[JohnAV]

Sony Gears Up for 4K Ultra HD Internet Movie Service - Variety - 5/30/13

Studio licenses video-compression technology from startup Eye IO, aiming for summer launch.

According to industry estimates, a 4K video — which delivers four times the resolution of 1080p HD — typically would require 18 to 20 Mbps encoded in MPEG-4 H.264. Eye IO declined to disclose the bit rate for its compression of 4K content “at the request of Sony and other studios” that it is working with. But Eye IO CEO Rodolfo Vargas claimed the company’s compression yields 4K assets that use less than one-third the bandwidth Sony initially expected from other vendors.

A Sony rep confirmed that the 4K movie service is still on track to launch this summer, but said the company has yet to release pricing or additional details about the service. Sony announced plans for the streaming service at CES 2013.

The assets encoded at Eye IO’s Palo Alto, Calif., headquarters are full 4K Ultra HD at 3840 x 2160 resolution and include support for extended gamut color.

Other customers of privately held Eye IO include Netflix. Earlier this year, the company’s video-compression encoding technology was the first in the streaming industry to attain THX’s Digital Cinema HD Video Encoder certification

Link to eyeIO see eyeIO StudioRes

[iceman]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Sony Gears Up for 4K Ultra HD Internet Movie Service - Variety - 5/30/13

Link to eyeIO see eyeIO StudioRes

Marketing trick to compare to h264 when the proper comparison should be to compare with h265.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by iceman

Marketing trick to compare to h264 when the proper comparison should be to compare with h265.

Looks like h.265 implementation going by press release.

PALO ALTO, CA. – May 30, 2013 – Eye IO, LLC (eyeIO) announced today its UltraHD compression encoding technology has been licensed by Sony Pictures to enable the studio to offer the first-ever 4K UltraHD content delivered to the home.

The assets encoded at eyeIO’s Palo Alto headquarters are full 4K UltraHD, 3840×2160 resolution and include support for extended gamut color (xvYCC). eyeIO’s certified, 4K UltraHD offering has been perfected over the course of the last two years, offering a simplified workflow, ultra-high quality at incredible speed to improve cost efficiency and establish a standard for the industry at large.

EYE IO, LLC (eyeIO) is a privately held, Palo Alto based startup developing breakthrough H.264 and H.265 solutions that represent the culmination of years of progressive research in next generation TV video delivery.

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http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...2-0-explained/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by img eL

When the new HEVC/h.265 codec...

For those like me who like letters rather than numbers, it’s o.k. for people to call the codec simply...
HEVC,
since many of the original investigators -

http://iphome.hhi.de/wiegand/assets/...C-Overview.pdf
http://iphome.hhi.de/wiegand/assets/...erformance.pdf
http://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/fileadm...Complexity.pdf

testers -
http://infoscience.epfl.ch/record/18...SPIE2012_1.pdf

and potential content producers, all feel rather comfortable in doing so -

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I love my Sony HX929, but I was at the Value Electronics shootout where the 4K Sony 65" was calibrated and displayed and I can't say I saw any improvement whatsoever over my set. In fact, the color may have been off in that in scenes from Lawrence of Arabia, the sand and water was much redder than that displayed on the Panny and Samsung plasmas. (And to repeat, the sets were all calibrated)....

Redder water?

Well that’s embarrassing. You mean to tell me that at the venue you visited, the crown jewel of Sony Pictures wasn’t being properly displayed by the flagship model of the consumer division of Sony Electronics?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by img eL

When the new HEVC/h.265 codec becomes official it will happen...

It's ready...for consumers. The big ? at this point in time is the how-to’s and where-fores of the licensing structure.

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Originally Posted by cembros

So what are you thinking we will realistically see for broadcast? 1080P? 4k? 30hz, 60hz?

Originally Posted by img eL

There has been a amazing amount of broadcast HEVC testing in the past 2 years. The HEVC codec makes broadcasting 1080P, 4K alot easier. The ability will be there. With all the Broadcast testing makes me think it will happen within 1 year.

And I mean 1080P Broadcasts within 1 year, its been over a month since the first approved version of the HEVC codec (Version 1: (April 13, 2013) First approved version of the HEVC/H.265 standard) & its been heavily tested all around since then. We should see cable & satellite using HEVC regularly soon, I expect ATSC to incorporate HEVC officially soon as well. Baltimore is the only area in the United States currently testing 4K broadcasts http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...uhd-dvbt2-fcc/