HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Thanks for your very informative post

although a bit dated, Lars’s webinar is still a good primer for newbies as well as serving as a review for the more experienced of the various concepts –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post13125960
(start from the beginning (quoted), the slide of which Geoff captured is around the 8 min. mark of the presentation)

[Penton-Man]

Whereas for something a bit more cutting edge and looking into the future with regards to displays (zone backlight, light modulating layer types , microLED) skip past the tetrahedral LUT interpolation feature and start about here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJhyO7PGGkw#t=1m58s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by brps3

Good looking F-5

You know your jets . People who fly them and service them are definitely not ‘no-loads’.

[Penton-Man]

Although it’s always a pleasure to drop in here, we’re off to Pasadena now for Stage 7 of the Amgen Tour of California followed by celebrations and a post race dinner, but Waboman, I don’t think we’ll get as lucky with our served wine as these diners recently did over in Manchester….http://www.fox7austin.com/web/ktbc/u...ved-by-mistake

[Geoff D]

I still reckon you could afford one of those bottles though Mr P

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Although it’s always a pleasure to drop in here, we’re off to Pasadena now for Stage 7 of the Amgen Tour of California followed by celebrations and a post race dinner, but Waboman, I don’t think we’ll get as lucky with our served wine as these diners recently did over in Manchester….http://www.fox7austin.com/web/ktbc/u...ved-by-mistake

Heard it's HDR day. Well then we better get some snacks worthy of the PM. I said we can't afford PM worthy snacks. He drinks $5,700 bottles of the grape. We're having beer, tap. I'll even spring for one import since it's HDR day.

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I keep seeing people say that 1886 is the 'standard' now but I see no real evidence of it. From indie disc producers to the major studios to TV broadcasts, it seems as if they're all still doing something different which is why I like my SDR gamma at 2.3: not so dark it knocks out all the shadow detail, not so bright it makes everything look too thin. It's juuuuuuust right.

When I calibrated to 1886, the lower end of the curve, I set it to 2.2 gamma. It looks amazing, shadow detail was great, but blacks left me a little disappointed. I'll set it to 2.3 for my next calibration.

[DisplayCalNoob]

Has Netflix deliverables always been color space RGB and 12bit, for DV streams?

[Stacey Spears]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

Has Netflix deliverables always been color space RGB and 12bit, for DV streams?

Nothing is streamed in RGB, everything is 4:2:0 in the consumer world.

[brps3]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You know your jets . People who fly them and service them are definitely not ‘no-loads’.

Ive never served but yeah I know my fighter jets pretty well. Even though the F5 is like 40-50 years old theres still a few countries that use them.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I still reckon you could afford one of those bottles though Mr P

We're comfortable

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Heard it's HDR day.

I see you’ve changed out your avatar again. I hope you’re eating healthy because these burgers taste purty dang good (unlike the veggie/garden burgers of the past, which to me tasted like drywall), -

Inside Beyond Meat, The Plant-Based Company Disrupting A Trillion Dollar Industry | NBC Nightly News - YouTube

with all the fixins ~ $7. and change at Carl’s Jr.
$5.99 for two paddies at Whole Foods

or, if you prefer an alternative and there are no Red Robins or Cheesecake Factories around you that carry the Impossible Burger, then wait later this year for the Impossible Whopper rollout at Burger Kings nationwide -

The Impossible Taste Test | Impossible Whopper - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Stacey Spears

Nothing is streamed in RGB, everything is 4:2:0 in the consumer world.

Stacey, any update as to the expected date of the public offering of your disc?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by brps3

Ive never served but yeah I know my fighter jets pretty well. Even though the F5 is like 40-50 years old theres still a few countries that use them.

parked not far from the golf course - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...f#post16420147

another single-seater, but this time a F/A-18E



as opposed to the 18F, from this exclusive reveal to the filming location, beforehand - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post16236096

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Although it’s always a pleasure to drop in here, we’re off to Pasadena now for Stage 7 of the Amgen Tour of California

For those who may have watched the stage on TV and were looking at the local terrain (scrub chapparal) as captured from the helicopter camera, an interesting coincidence is that the route came within just a couple/few miles of one of the past, Nov. 8th – 13th to be precise, filming locations for Top Gun: Maverick.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

....the introduction of BT.1886 meant everyone had a standard to use for grading SDR. So why not use it?

Some consider BT1886 to be a flawed concept due to the way it further lifts blacks on any display that has a black that is higher than zero. With a raised black you will get lifted shadows. This is one of the issues with BT1886, as the lifted shadows will cause the colorist to over compensate by grading the shadows darker.

The end result will be potentially crushed shadows/blacks when viewed on a display that is not calibrated to BT 1886, but has a lifted black point, as many consumer TVs have. Given that, best to use a standard 2.4 power law gamma instead.

For a deeper dive into grasping gammas, scroll down to conversation between Steve S. and Patrick I., here - https://mixinglight.com/color-tutori...vinci-resolve/

[Penton-Man]

For those kicking back with their cup of Joe this morning and have already gotten thru the previous monitor video I posted yesterday -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Whereas for something a bit more cutting edge and looking into the future with regards to displays (zone backlight, light modulating layer types , microLED) skip past the tetrahedral LUT interpolation feature and start about here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJhyO7PGGkw#t=1m58s

here’s a companion video on the pathway to HDR fulfillment with a more economical monitor for wedding videographers and such -

FSI Monitors on Accessibility of HDR to Corporate/Wedding producers - NAB2019 - YouTube

On a side note, for those with larger budgets, even small shops like Banana Post - http://bananapost.net/

already have the Sony HX310 in their stable

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by Stacey Spears

Nothing is streamed in RGB, everything is 4:2:0 in the consumer world.

So the deliverables are just what Netflix receives from production, in RGB 4:4:4 Full Range P3 D65 before it is encoded to 4:2:0 color space.

Marvel Avengers Infinity War has big differences visually in my opinion, between the DV and HDR10. One obvious aspect is APL, the movie is just brighter with the Vudu DV stream and there is better color.

Is this just DV?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For those who may have watched the stage on TV and were looking at the local terrain (scrub chapparal) as captured from the helicopter camera, an interesting coincidence is that the route came within just a couple/few miles of one of the past, Nov. 8th – 13th to be precise, filming locations for Top Gun: Maverick.

like so -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieXPz6IXixk#t=1m6s

P.S.
shortened ride for me this a.m. as it’s been raining constantly

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The world is jam packed with second-hand stories and distorted news.
...Twitter, Facebook, Instagram....

And editor’s lounges with ‘professional’ panels. I think y’all know I am not a real big fan of 8K without a compensatory increase in temporal resolution, better yet 100/120 fps with 4K HDR WCG is where the industry should be applying their efforts rather than pushing resolution, but with regards to 8K rez and visual acuity (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post16400080 ), this is plain nonsense -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhCcZa2yGWQ#t=38m56s

not to mention other idiocy stated later in that meetup.