4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[eriaur]

Approved by Coppola:

http://www.technicolor.com/en/who-we...-and-hdr-video
http://www.technicolor.com/en/who-we...es-technicolor

[Pieter V]

5K HDR Scanning & Image Processing for 4k UHD & Dolby Vision™ Remastering:
MIRAMAX: 'PULP FICTION' (1994)

https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherdusendschon

Finished a year ago.



I don't think 'The Walk' did get a 4K master, seeing the budget, no 4K banner on Blu-ray, 2K DI and the amount of CGI.

What is High Dynamic Range (HDR) Technical Interview - CES 2016 - YouTube

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by m3racer123

I think pretty much all films are capable of HDR. Pretty sure both 35mm film and modern digital cameras exceed the HDR specification, so the HDR version may be closer to the original source.

Originally Posted by elwaylite

I thought camera's used to film movies were already outside of the range of what displays could do. These new displays (wider color and brightness) that are HDR capable offer the user to experience a greater range of the image.

Meaning the data is already there in the image and was unable to be shown, it's not that it has be shot on HDR like shot in 3D.

Right, yes, it's widely held that film and modern digital have a range that far exceeds what we see on video now, and indeed can be greater than what even this HDR iteration can do. But, as with almost any technical aspect of a taking format as is shot, just because that capability CAN be used doesn't mean that it IS used for any given scene, and changing something up after the fact can present challenges of its own.

Penton posted a link to a piece about the HDR regrade of San Andreas which revealed it's not as simple as just 'revealing' what was there originally. If something is shot with an HDR end product in mind then the HDR grading is far easier, but if it's not then it can reveal certain flaws, like the lighting mentioned in the link above, how it became much more obvious and artificial looking during the HDR grading of San Andreas than the original grade.

If something is specifically shot for it, fine. But it's that aspect of regrading for HDR after the fact which is what's worrying some folks, that the original intent is being sacrificed at the altar of UHD. If the original filmmaker is involved then that lends mucho credibility (although Mike still won't like it); hell, some directors have signed off on several very different looks for their films over the last couple of decades anyway. It's more the worry that non-filmmaker approved HDR stuff will be shunted out there in ever increasing numbers if the format takes off.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Right, yes, it's widely held that film and modern digital have a range that far exceeds what we see on video now, and indeed can be greater than what even this HDR iteration can do. But, as with almost any technical aspect of a taking format as is shot, just because that capability CAN be used doesn't mean that it IS used for any given scene, and changing something up after the fact can present challenges of its own.

Penton posted a link to a piece about the HDR regrade of San Andreas which revealed it's not as simple as just 'revealing' what was there originally. If something is shot with an HDR end product in mind then the HDR grading is far easier, but if it's not then it can reveal certain flaws, like the lighting mentioned in the link above, how it became much more obvious and artificial looking in the HDR version of San Andrews than the original grade.

If something is specifically shot for it, fine. But it's that aspect of regrading for HDR after the fact which is what's worrying some folks, that the original intent is being sacrificed at the altar of UHD. If the original filmmaker is involved then fine, that lends mucho credibility (although Mike still won't like it), and some directors have signed off on several very different looks for their films over the last couple of decades anyway. It's more the worry that non-filmmaker approved HDR stuff will be shunted out there in ever increasing numbers if the format takes off.

Define filmmaker.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Define filmmaker.

Damn, and I thought I'd get a thumbs up for that post from Mike at least.

Um...the director's personal assistant?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Damn, and I thought I'd get a thumbs up for that post from Mike at least.

Um...the director's personal assistant?

I thought I did thumb it!
Cinematographer only for me, and only under 5 years since shot for me to be 10000% happy
But will compare to non HDR version and judge on a film by film basis.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I thought I did thumb it!
Cinematographer only for me, and only under 5 years since shot for me to be 10000% happy
But will compare to non HDR version and judge on a film by film basis.

So you did, so you did. But even the almighty cinematographer can still make some very stupid decisions after the fact (e.g. Storaro's retrofitted cropping to match his Univisium ideal) so you've got the right idea about judging them on a case by case basis.

Still, I can't be a hypocrite (well, not all the time anyway) with regards to what I said above and the HDR grading itself: just because it CAN present this eye-searing iteration of X film with up to 1000 nits for highlights, doesn't mean it automatically WILL. As with 3D conversions I think we'll see different approaches, with some films getting an aggressive in-your-face HDR regrade while others have a much more subtle use of the grading. Case by case indeed...

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So you did, so you did. But even the almighty cinematographer can still make some very stupid decisions after the fact (e.g. Storaro's retrofitted cropping to match his Univisium ideal) so you've got the right idea about judging them on a case by case basis.

Still, I can't be a hypocrite (well, not all the time anyway) with regards to what I said above and the HDR grading itself: just because it CAN present this eye-searing iteration of X film with up to 1000 nits for highlights, doesn't mean it automatically WILL. As with 3D conversions I think we'll see different approaches, with some films getting an aggressive in-your-face HDR regrade while others have a much more subtle use of the grading. Case by case indeed...

Even so, my question: is it worth it? I mean to re-grade a movie just to sell a new format to make it different enough from Standard Blu-ray?

I hated 3D conversions too....

[Geoff D]

That can only be answered once we've actually seen such stuff in action. For those who have, it's fair to say they're very impressed...

[Rocklandsboy]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Even so, my question: is it worth it? I mean to re-grade a movie just to sell a new format to make it different enough from Standard Blu-ray?

I hated 3D conversions too....

It feels to me that technology has finally overwhelmed the media being displayed by it. So much "fakery" is going to be required to make movies look good at 4K with HDR (other than native material, of course), I'm seriously questioning the whole "upgrade".

The whole thing feels... weird. A different weird to how 3-D felt, but weird nonetheless!

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Rocklandsboy

It feels to me that technology has finally overwhelmed the media being displayed by it. So much "fakery" is going to be required to make movies look good at 4K with HDR (other than native material, of course), I'm seriously questioning the whole "upgrade".

The whole thing feels... weird. A different weird to how 3-D felt, but weird nonetheless!

well, it is the first time in history that home theater technology is outpacing camera and editing technology.

It's a brave new world, and I'm excited for it.

[Pieter V]

YouTube Will Join Netflix And Amazon With Support For HDR Video

YouTube will be joining Netflix and Amazon with support for HDR (high dynamic range) video, the company announced this week at CES 2016. The news was briefly mentioned during an onstage conversation about 360-degree video taking place between Robert Kyncl, YouTube’s Chief Business Officer, GoPro CEO Nick Woodman, and VRSE CEO Chris Milk.

Along with the news of a partnership between GoPro and YouTube focused on bringing more 360-degree content to YouTube’s platform, Kyncl also casually mentioned that YouTube would soon support HDR video as well.

http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/08/you...for-hdr-video/

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/08/you...for-hdr-video/

Greeeeat... more super compressed video that won't really showcase the technology... just marketing spiel.

And Netflix has already stated they're squeezing their library again in order to combat the fact a lot of their market doesn't have high speed internet or has to deal with data caps.

Cloud video services are not the future you want if you care about A/V quality.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Cinematographer only for me

? ? ? You’ve changed your stance since last April…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post10674846 …..meaning the Director him/herself no longer qualifies?

Keep in mind that the cinematographer works for the Director. It is his job description to translate the Director’s vision onto celluloid or, these days, digital file, ultimately. Nevertheless, just because cinematographers in general have far greater technical expertise and experience in making this happen, they serve at the pleasure of Director’s vision.

mike, one could also argue that the expertise of post supervisors exceeds that of many cinematographers in that they (post house supervisors) know how to get the best out of what they’ve (cinematographers) have shot, e.g.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Penton posted a link to a piece about the HDR regrade of San Andreas which revealed it's not as simple as just 'revealing' what was there originally. If something is shot with an HDR end product in mind then the HDR grading is far easier, but if it's not then it can reveal certain flaws, like the lighting mentioned in the link above, how it became much more obvious and artificial looking during the HDR grading of San Andreas than the original grade.

Debra did do a rather nice reporter write-up on the webinar but just a heads-up to any readers who still be in school ......you can get stuff like that live, unfiltered and in more detail from the horse’s mouth (i.e. access to Educational, Standards and Emerging Technology webcasts including live and archived webinars) by signing up for a student membership (for only $10)……https://www.smpte.org/store/individual-membership

b.t.w., for the sake of new readers, who might not have been around here that long.....
before FotoKem, Joseph Slomka was the color scientist for Sony Pictures Imageworks….before that division was truncated down one way or another and actually authored an excellent 'white paper' I posted on the forum of Blu-ray.com years ago.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherdusendschon

Finished a year ago.



I don't think 'The Walk' did get a 4K master, seeing the budget, no 4K banner on Blu-ray, 2K DI and the amount of CGI.


What is High Dynamic Range (HDR) Technical Interview - CES 2016 - YouTube

Excellent interview with R. Martin.

Regarding Martin’s comments comparing LCD to OLED in the video:
Some have referred to the UHD Alliance setting a “low bar” for OLED for Premium Certification. It isn’t.

• High Dynamic Range
o SMPTE ST2084 EOTF
o A combination of peak brightness and black level either:
o More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level
OR
o More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level

For LCD .05 to 1000 nits is equivalent to a contrast ratio of 20,000:1 (around 14 f-stops) while for OLED 0.0005 to 540 nits is equivalent to a contrast ratio of over 1,000,000:1 (around 20 f-stops).

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So you did, so you did. But even the almighty cinematographer can still make some very stupid decisions after the fact (e.g. Storaro's retrofitted cropping to match his Univisium ideal) so you've got the right idea about judging them on a case by case basis.

Still, I can't be a hypocrite (well, not all the time anyway) with regards to what I said above and the HDR grading itself: just because it CAN present this eye-searing iteration of X film with up to 1000 nits for highlights, doesn't mean it automatically WILL. As with 3D conversions I think we'll see different approaches, with some films getting an aggressive in-your-face HDR regrade while others have a much more subtle use of the grading. Case by case indeed...

Agreed and that's why I was saying case by case only, and the least amount of years from filming possible

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That can only be answered once we've actually seen such stuff in action. For those who have, it's fair to say they're very impressed...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHWzBhvbHI

Excellent interview with R. Turner.

Regarding Turner’s comments comparing LCD to OLED in the video:....

When I click on that YouTube you linked it takes me to a R. Martin interview…. but, I do like his usage of the word elegant or elegance as it was used to describe something of the like just yesterday at lunch time….. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11710128

On the other hand, if you meant to link some M. Turner (from Technicolor) interview (apologies, as I’ve only read the last page and totally missed a lot of postings on this thread this week) something which should be mentioned but I doubts been published out of anything coming out of CES is that they’ve (Technicolor in L.A.) have had on site and used a professional Sony 4K OLED HDR reference monitor for some time now.

For that professional monitor, peak luminance barely achieves right around 1000 nits, as long as you measure a small enough screen patch.

[Falaskan]

There are so many players that are 4K upscalers but are labeled as 4K...it is so confusing and I'm sure many people have bought some thinking they were true 4K players.

[dublinbluray108]

Is anyone here able to make a sticky thread to see which UHD Blu-ray players are eligible for U.S. shipping only and (if the time comes) for international shipping; regardless of how this new extension will last?

Amazon has confirmed that the Samsung UBD-K8500 is not eligible to be shipped outside the U.S.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A9V6OI6?..._i=13622863011

Panasonic's DMP-UB900 however is eligible for European shipping but this one is more pricey at the UK price of £730 ($1,066) not incl taxes.

http://www.whathifi.com/news/panason...-europe-spring