HDR Discussion Thread

[Geoff D]

Part of the reason why I don't watch a lot of narrative content on broadcast TV is that the encoding is usually atrocious. I hate banding.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

I don't agree with the second part, because the bitrates are NOT in the control of the viewer! The low bitrates are a huge achilles' heel and are set deliberately and knowingly by the greedy penny-pinching broadcasters. You cannot and should not blame the viewers for this....

i’m not
perhaps I wasn’t clear, that was exactly my contention….by “thru no fault of their own” I was referring to viewers (users)

[Penton-Man]

just like i wouldn’t blame a person for not getting a vaccine in my analogy, if they were not informed by public health beforehand to get it, and even if they had been, let’s say live 300 miles away from a teaching hospital without having a car and finding it very difficult to take time off from work for such a long road trip by bus, etc.

lots of hoops to jump thru for something intended for mass inoculation, as an aside, fortunately getting a measles booster (if indicated) is not fraught with any of these encumberments

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So, what’s the bottom line about Game of Thrones episode 3 of Season 8, or what can we learn from all this. Well watching at the Chinese - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post16373877 (P3 SDR), or at home on a decently calibrated, excellent television in a dark room at a good bitrate can result in one seeing an acceptable picture. But that requires a whole lot of hoops for a consumer to jump thru, which he/she may not be able to achieve, and thru no fault of their own, for a product which is intended to bring satisfaction broadly to a large population of viewers.

An analogy might be that you can have a superbly effective vaccine for a disease, but in the end, how good is it really if the masses it is intended to immunize (and satisfy) have to firstly know and then have the ability to go to a teaching hospital (UCI, UCLA, USC, etc.) where a highly qualified person must administer it, rather than the consumer simply driving locally to any clinic or local community hospital close-by and having any healthcare provider give it to you, no fuss no muss.

Even if people didn’t optimize their televisions as Tom Cruise and Christopher recommended in their PSA - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...m#post16116265 , that movie was/is still watchable if the masses of viewers do nothing but turn their TVs on to the content.

Hopefully tonight’s episode 4 of GoT will be more efficacious (I haven’t watched it yet).

[LordoftheRings]

☕ https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ame-of-thrones

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

☕ https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ame-of-thrones

proof that the lighting for this episode was not found wanting, like epi 3

[LordoftheRings]

Yes, that's why people complained that they couldn't see anything, missing the Starbucks coffee cup.

I didn't know they had those during the dragons era.

[Kris Deering]

I didn't have any issues with any of the episodes so far. Streamed via HBO app on my ATV4K. I didn't watch Episode 3 on premiere night though, I was on a tour in Colorado. All the others were on their broadcast night.

Picture looked fantastic for all of them, but then again I know a calibrator guy.

[LordoftheRings]

HFR (High Frame Rate) ... we love high velocity frame per second, 3D slow-motion, very dark moving pictures (Batman, GOT, CatWoman, Alien flicks, ...all that jazz cabaret smoking music).

Just for fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXAg...ature=youtu.be

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I didn't have any issues with any of the episodes so far. Streamed via HBO app on my ATV4K. I didn't watch Episode 3 on premiere night though, I was on a tour in Colorado. All the others were on their broadcast night.

Picture looked fantastic for all of them, but then again I know a calibrator guy.

That's the episode (#3) who had many viewers complained about the darkness of the action scenes. They couldn't see what was going on, but then again they didn't know a calibrator gal.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I didn't have any issues with any of the episodes so far. Streamed via HBO app on my ATV4K. I didn't watch Episode 3 on premiere night though, I was on a tour in Colorado. All the others were on their broadcast night.

Picture looked fantastic for all of them, but then again I know a calibrator guy.

there have been different experiences with Episode 3 by many in the industry, e.g. –

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

workflows

relax Josh (at the far end of the seated panel)…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws5fopAIH5U#t=44m40s

as the astute colorist, Fernando, seated next to you with the Spanish accent later indicated, many people (for that matter, in all aspects of life’s endeavors) have to work within budgets

plus Alexis’s (the panelist with the light colored jacket) project might not have had as much of a difference in aesthetics if he had had access to Dolby Vision v.4 - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post16322429

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Just for fun:

I’d like to hear someone attending the 8K event that Robert is a panelist on ask the panel if they think viewers will see a superior picture in 1080p120 than either 4k or 8k at 60fps for sports, as sports are a big driver of selling new TVs

The answer is…..yes.

[Penton-Man]

attention aviation geeks and general enthusiasts of Top Gun or Top Gun: Maverick movies - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post16243793

for a deeper dive into it all, here’s upcoming reading material - https://topgun50.com/features/

[LordoftheRings]

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Chuck didn’t attend last Saturday: https://www.midway.org/calendar-events/topgun-dinner/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

You cannot and should not blame the viewers for this.

And for that matter, like I said several days ago - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post16368640

neither do I fault Joe, who is perfectionist:



not to mention, multi HPA Award nominee and winner

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

not to mention, multi HPA Award nominee and winner

in contrast to outside blogger experts

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

in contrast to outside blogger experts

My brother has a TCL RS615 65in and GOT looked horrible on it. In trying to figure out this conundrum, I realized the display needed to be on movie mode. Suddenly, all the banding was gone, the crushed detail, became visible.

Also, in GOT, there is no artificial light sources. All moon light, sun light, flames and torches.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

This morning someone sent me this ‘creative license’ picture I think as a result of your Chuck Norris contributions to this thread:

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

My brother has a TCL RS615 65in and GOT looked horrible on it. In trying to figure out this conundrum, I realized the display needed to be on movie mode. Suddenly, all the banding was gone, the crushed detail, became visible.

Also, in GOT, there is no artificial light sources. All moon light, sun light, flames and torches.

The fact that Kris, you and others got decent images kinda blows to bits the theory offered online as to the culprit of the issue being the colorist having screwed up the grade.