Jurassic Park - 30th Anniversary Edition UHD

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by GRSN

Anyway, going to watch this on Saturday in 4DX 3D (Spielberg re-releases in September)
hope i don't get thrown out of my chair.

Ever been to a 4DX before? I went once. Left about 15 minutes in.

[K9 Mark V]

Originally Posted by VickPS

The print i "used" is not color corrected.
You can find clips of the color corrected version of it on Youtube, and it's pretty different.


That's one way to see it. Another would be that they just released a standalone version of the film to make good use the old Master before the 30th Anniversary version.
Version which IS coming, how can this be a sort of doubt is mind-blowing to me. They released 30th Anniversary versions of every movie in their catalog, but are not going to do so with the most important film of their biggest franchise?

That's not what I meant. Most of these fan scans are usually color corrected in some capacity, but it's usually on a reel to reel basis to maintain a somewhat consistent look as opposed to what major studios usually do, which is to polish up the image on a shot for shot basis.

I don't want to give the impression that I get some sort of joy from bashing this thread. I don't. If anything, I wish for every film to have a proper restoration whenever being put onto a new format, but that clearly isn't the case. Universal MAY put out a 30th anniversary edition, but it'll most likely be a repack, maybe a new bonus feature or two. Hell, E.T. is turning 40 and is only getting two new bonus features, Jaws is getting re-released in IMAX as well yet there's no sign of a re-release. This current disc has already been re-released many times in different film collections. The only way I can see a new restoration of this being done, let alone one that's faithful to the source material, is if Arrow somehow managed to get the rights for the film. With a film of this status though, the odds aren't exactly in our favor.

[GRSN]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Ever been to a 4DX before? I went once. Left about 15 minutes in.

Never, first time, but they're (Pathe) only showing it in 4DX, no IMAX,
so i have no choice (or wait for next year)

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by GRSN

Never, first time, but they're (Pathe) only showing it in 4DX, no IMAX,
so i have no choice (or wait for next year)

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by K9 Mark V

That's not what I meant. Most of these fan scans are usually color corrected in some capacity, but it's usually on a reel to reel basis to maintain a somewhat consistent look as opposed to what major studios usually do, which is to polish up the image on a shot for shot basis.

We can count on this particular scan being made by a professional however, on super expensive non-consumer equipment and compared to the actual film projected. Percentage of "fans scans" done like this is something around 5%.
People at the time, after samples and previews were shared, suggested it needed a little saturation boost but the person behind it always rejected this, claiming that with added saturation the movie is not accurate to the projected film anymore, not even in little quantities.
The version I posted is basically a raw scan, grindhouse version with no color correction nor cleanups at all.
V2 was then made from the raw files by another team, with clean passes and color correction. Looks stunning in terms of color timing, and likely what a proper official restoration should look like in this regard, but the movie cinematography lost some class to me because of this, night scenes (which should be extremely dark on this film) were poorly "enhanced" resulting in black crush, and the final encoding is noticeably less sharp and a little processed looking compared to V1.

Originally Posted by K9 Mark V

I don't want to give the impression that I get some sort of joy from bashing this thread. I don't. If anything, I wish for every film to have a proper restoration whenever being put onto a new format, but that clearly isn't the case. Universal MAY put out a 30th anniversary edition, but it'll most likely be a repack, maybe a new bonus feature or two. Hell, E.T. is turning 40 and is only getting two new bonus features, Jaws is getting re-released in IMAX as well yet there's no sign of a re-release. This current disc has already been re-released many times in different film collections.

Jaws IMAX is likely going to be the awesome UHD Master. But would love to see the 3D version getting a HV release.

Of course, this is all in theory based on "hopes and dreams". But:

Your examples are not part of a franchise making 1 billion dollars per movie, last one just released this year.
Your examples current releases weren't criticized to the extent Jurassic Park was, and one of them even regarded as the very best UHD catalog title.
Your examples won't have marketing campaigns planned for their Anniversary.

Jurassic Park is currently so embarrassingly bad the Disney+ documentary "Light&Magic" by Lawrence Kasdan resorted to the V2 35mm fan scan to showcase the movie. Which was amazing to see.

Originally Posted by K9 Mark V

The only way I can see a new restoration of this being done, let alone one that's faithful to the source material, is if Arrow somehow managed to get the rights for the film. With a film of this status though, the odds aren't exactly in our favor.

Never going to happen.

[Kyle15]

[unberechenbar]

Why don't the issues with the original get brought up more often like they do in the T2 and Lord of the Rings threads?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Why don't the issues with the original get brought up more often like they do in the T2 and Lord of the Rings threads?

Because anyone that compares T2 and Jurassic Park is a drama queen.

[nick4Knight]

It truly is quite a stretch to associate the middling nature of Jurassic Park transfer with the actual issues in those two other examples. Truly. Only emotional arguments can get the two in the same ball park

And people try.

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Why don't the issues with the original get brought up more often like they do in the T2 and Lord of the Rings threads?

A Jurassic Park transfer looking like T2 4K? Man, I wish!
With proper gamma CGI dinosaurs would look real again at least.. kind of the whole point of the movie.

But apparently grain removal is much worse than tons of pink injections over every single picture element, severe cropping, complete erasure of shadows in a movie intended to use extreme gamma for multiple purposes, all on top of a degrained, soft and often blurry mess regardless.

Only drama queens and emotional people would think otherwise.. even if nothing sucks more than pink and magenta on film transfers:

David Fincher on Magenta

Overdone filmic looking grading + DNR > Magenta bright telecine video grading everyday for me.
After all, it's not like the Remaster had much more in common with the original theatrical presentation of the movie than the previous and beloved T2 LaserDisc, VHS, DVD and Skynet Edition BDs.

Lawrence Kasdan had to resort to a frigging 35mm fan scan of Jurassic Park to showcase Spielberg's movie in his documentary, should tell you how comical the JP Home-Video situation is.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by VickPS

Lawrence Kasdan had to resort to a frigging 35mm fan scan of Jurassic Park to showcase Spielberg's movie in his documentary, should tell you how comical the JP Home-Video situation is.

They used 35mm scans for many of the films in that doc. That proves nothing.

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

They used 35mm scans for many of the films in that doc. That proves nothing.

Are you taking defense of the Home-Video version of Jurassic Park here, or it's just a clumsy attempt to disagree with my post?
As if taste and knowledge on the origins of magenta in movies (or how analog film should look like, for that matter) weren't enough to see Jurassic Park in Home-Video as the insulting travesty that it is.

Most of the Terminator 2 clips in Light&Magic are nearly identical to the T2 Remaster, Jurassic Park looks like an entirely different movie. That's all there is to it.

Once again, David Fincher on magenta in transfers: "I hate that" "I think it sucks" "Fraudulent, and needs to be destroyed" "I have an hatred for pink"

While apparently James Cameron doesn't mind usage of aggressive DNR in every single one of his supervised transfers, while also overdoing color grading in order to get rid of every slight hint of magenta whatsoever.

Not saying DNR is a good thing of course, far from it, but claiming only drama queens would compare T2 to JP when only the latter features heavy doses of the most hated aspect of a film transfer, while also being degrained at the same time, is borderline retarded.

[SpazeBlue]

Dude, chill.

[nick4Knight]

You can say it more if you like. There is no comparing JP to T2. Jurassic Park is just the product of having used an older 4K scan source, not a "travesty" perfomed from a fresh one, like T2. Even if Lawrence Kasdan picked the 35mm scans for all the reasons you BELIEVE he did so? I'd merely find him to be as insufferable about it as you are. But I think it's just you, and you haven't even backed up this theory w/ a quote from the horses mouth.

Enjoy your fixation.

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

You can say it more if you like. There is no comparing JP to T2. Jurassic Park is just the product of having used an older 4K scan source, not a "travesty" perfomed from a fresh one, like T2.

You would imagine the "Blu-Ray Samurai" feeling in the position to post masterpieces like these:

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

This is one of those weirdo threads that foreign people make. Nothing against people whose first language is not English; for real. But there is an undenial vibe of their writings.

Almost like they are saying "I'm hopeful for this, therefore it might happen, I believe in the magic of cinema. Isn't Hollywood where dreams come from?". As if all that = it's a chance to happen.

Then you politely tell them this is Universal Studios. Then you politely remind them this is their cash cow property they can bank on old masters with fresh PR spin, and treat like shit. And Spielberg ain't coming to save it. Neither is Cundy!

To be a little more knowledgeable on the topic.
Jurassic Park UHD is a literal travesty for the simple fact they took a fine looking 4K scan made in 2012:

Jurassic Park 3D - Trailer - YouTube

[Show spoiler]

And, in order to please what i can only call idiots and avoid the criticism the 3D release grading got, intentionally made it similar to all the awful looking Home-Video versions of the movie by injecting tons of pink and brightness into the image.

It doesn't get any more travesty than this, literally.

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

Even if Lawrence Kasdan picked the 35mm scans for all the reasons you BELIEVE he did so? I'd merely find him to be as insufferable about it as you are. But I think it's just you, and you haven't even backed up this theory w/ a quote from the horses mouth.

Enjoy your fixation.

My fixation? I won't say i like being fed shit just to get along with this place users who all of a sudden went from complaining about the current Master in every Thread to become its biggest advocates in this one for whatever reason.

This is a post you made not even a month ago:

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

I highly doubt they will. But this would be my most wanted 'remaster' from discs already out on the format, though! I'd like them to go back to the OCN and do a fresh 4K scan of the first one and grade it in line with other Spielberg fare in tems of HDR and WCG impact.

And the bonus would be all first three done this way. With DV.

I mean..



How you went from this to the responses you gave in this Thread is truly escaping any logic.

I won't apologize for being passionate about a movie i care about being treated like shit. As said already my wishful intention was to gather every criticism into one Thread to hopefully make Universal feel the need to correct course, only possible by showing how much we are not pleased with what they gave us. Only possible by being "insufferable about it".
But instead got this shitshow of a Thread.
No big deal, at the end of the day I have multiple 35mm scans of the movie and an awesome 3D experience to enjoy.. but a shame nonetheless.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by VickPS

Are you taking defense of the Home-Video version of Jurassic Park here, or it's just a clumsy attempt to disagree with my post?

Neither. The OT was shown from 35mm transfers as well. I'm not sure if others were as I haven't gotten beyond the 3rd episode (I think?) because I was pretty bored by it. I much prefer the Vice doc series.

[DigitalDeluge24]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

This is one of those weirdo threads that foreign people make. Nothing against people whose first language is not English; for real. But there is an undenial vibe of their writings.

Don't mind me. I'm just saving this post for my sociology class in case it gets deleted.

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Neither. The OT was shown from 35mm transfers as well.

And of course they did, what else they could do?
You expected them to show footage of the Special Edition CGI shots while discussing theatrical version's opticals?

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I'm not sure if others were as I haven't gotten beyond the 3rd episode (I think?) because I was pretty bored by it. I much prefer the Vice doc series.

Loved it to death personally, best ILM documentary I've seen by a country mile.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by VickPS

And of course they did, what else they could do?
You expected them to show footage of the Special Edition CGI shots while discussing theatrical version's opticals?

Uh....yes. It's Disney. And that's how it's always been.

[GRSN]

saw this in 4DX 3D (didn't liked it) on Saturday, got to say; even with 3D,
you can tell this has a good underlying master buried underneath,
sometimes when i take my glasses off, there would be some grain in the image.

thought it was a new master when i saw the (new) 2013 Universal Pictures intro,
but figured that's the same one they used for the 2013 3D release.