Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk 4K UHD 60p/3D (2016)

[shield80]

see from 0:23 look how fake that CGI looks in 48FPS

The Hobbit The Battle of the Five Armies Official Trailer [48FPS] [HD] - YouTube

When watching it on 24FPS it doesn't look that fake like 48FPS does.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Tns49

Not sure which did it but the combination of a 4k (or better) source, HDR, and HFR made this truly a game changer.

I was talking about UHD in general but yeah, part of the thing with Billy Lynn's specifically looking so crystal clear isn't just 4K spatial resolution or high dynamic range but the increased temporal resolution of the 60p frame rate. Panning shots don't blur and people moving across the frame stay in crisp focus, having been freed from traditional 24fps 180-degree shutter motion blur. Ang Lee said that he basically had to relearn his visual vocabulary because of how HFR renders an image, e.g. slow motion was devised to show detail that was lost to traditional frame rates but when you can see everything in HFR then that technical advantage to slow motion is lost.

But there are of course aesthetic considerations to using slow motion and, to change tack to another HFR movie(s), James Cameron's Avadah sequels will be an interesting test of this because he loves using slow motion for certain key sequences in his films. But will he alter his approach in HFR? He's already spoken of using HFR in a variable way, keeping more of a traditional frame rate for slower moving scenes so that they don't look so hyper-real and keeping the HFR for the action scenes which could well replace his traditional usage of slow motion.

[alexanderg823]

Well it's not so much that a movie should or should not look real...

it's that with the budget limitations of most movies, the 24fps removal from reality really covers up alot of the fakeness inherent in the sets and costumes and such. so when you view it in 60 fps it's like "wow this clearly looks like some guys acting on a set" as opposed to "this looks like a real video of people in x land doing y things in z story".

it's going to take a lot more care and craft from directors and production teams to really get it right.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by shield80

See clueless it amazing

I don't look half as bad in 48FPS

But you don't understand, that's ok.

higher the frame rate the more it will see like they are acting, lower frame right hides that more.

BWAHAHAHAHA, please stop, I almost spilled my coffee all over the screen

[wonderer99]

If people stop feeding the troll it will look elsewhere for food. Pointless bickering is mind numbing. This film has me curious on 4k. Worth a blind buy you reckon?

[shield80]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

BWAHAHAHAHA, please stop, I almost spilled my coffee all over the screen

Well that because you are drunk all the time, therefore you spill your coffee. you always spill your coffee, stop drinking so much

Clueless

[shield80]

Originally Posted by wonderer99

If people stop feeding the troll it will look elsewhere for food. Pointless bickering is mind numbing. This film has me curious on 4k. Worth a blind buy you reckon?

Blind you are

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Well it's not so much that a movie should or should not look real...

it's that with the budget limitations of most movies, the 24fps removal from reality really covers up alot of the fakeness inherent in the sets and costumes and such. so when you view it in 60 fps it's like "wow this clearly looks like some guys acting on a set" as opposed to "this looks like a real video of people in x land doing y things in z story".

it's going to take a lot more care and craft from directors and production teams to really get it right.

Which is exactly how Cameron broached it, he talked of HFR making movies look like a load of people covered in makeup tarting about on a sound stage, it removes that veil of unreality (for want of a better word) which 24fps imparts on an image. And while it worked for something set in the real world like Billy Lynn's it could make a more fantastical world seem like a harder sell e.g. The Hobbitses.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I was talking about UHD in general but yeah, part of the thing with Billy Lynn's specifically looking so crystal clear isn't just 4K spatial resolution or high dynamic range but the increased temporal resolution of the 60p frame rate. Panning shots don't blur and people moving across the frame stay in crisp focus, having been freed from traditional 24fps 180-degree shutter motion blur. Ang Lee said that he basically had to relearn his visual vocabulary because of how HFR renders an image, e.g. slow motion was devised to show detail that was lost to traditional frame rates but when you can see everything in HFR then that technical advantage to slow motion is lost.

But there are of course aesthetic considerations to using slow motion and, to change tack to another HFR movie(s), James Cameron's Avadah sequels will be an interesting test of this because he loves using slow motion for certain key sequences in his films. But will he alter his approach in HFR? He's already spoken of using HFR in a variable way, keeping more of a traditional frame rate for slower moving scenes so that they don't look so hyper-real and keeping the HFR for the action scenes which could well replace his traditional usage of slow motion.

at last, a comment that is not a total waste of brain cells

[shield80]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Which is exactly how Cameron broached it, he talked of HFR making movies look like a load of people covered in makeup tarting about on a sound stage, it removes that veil of unreality (for want of a better word) which 24fps imparts on an image. And while it worked for something set in the real world like Billy Lynn's it could make a more fantastical world seem like a harder sell e.g. The Hobbitses.

It didn't work for Billy Lynn either, you can see the fake conversation the extras are having and how it looked like it was shot in a studio and that takes away the magic of movies when it looks like that.

So if they are gonna make 120FPS the new standard then they have to make it much better then this.

[shield80]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

at last, a comment that is not a total waste of brain cells

What brain cells do you have, who think I meant that they shot billy Lynn on a cheap camcorder

You are the right man to talk about brain cells lol

[CHONK!]

If they released the Hobbot in 60FPS, that'd be USO (Day One Ish)!

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by shield80

What brain cells do you have, who think I meant that they shot billy Lynn on a cheap camcorder

You are the right man to talk about brain cells lol

Wow, a personal verbal attack on another forum member? No good.
But thanks for the laughs, I now learned that blurry/juddery hobbits look more real

[shield80]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Wow, a personal verbal attack on another forum member? No good.
But thanks for the laughs, I now learned that blurry/juddery hobbits look more real

Go download a meter he he he

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by CHONK!

If they released the Hobbot in 60FPS, that'd be USO (Day One Ish)!

Trouble is it was shot 48fps and there's no 48p in the UHD spec, I'm not quite sure how best they could adapt it to 60p and if they couldn't make it work I'd rather stick with the 24p versions. I watch the Hobbitses on Blu-ray with some mild interpolation anyway, not full soap opera effect but the Motionflow Clear option on Sony sets is a nice fit.

[shield80]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Wow, a personal verbal attack on another forum member? No good.
But thanks for the laughs, I now learned that blurry/juddery hobbits look more real

Still, don't get do you LOL

Your brain must be amazing he he

It should not look real, is it that hard to understand.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by shield80

It didn't work for Billy Lynn either, you can see the fake conversation the extras are having and how it looked like it was shot in a studio and that takes away the magic of movies when it looks like that.

I'm sorry they took your magic away.

Maybe someday you'll find it again.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by shield80

Your brain must be amazing he he

You certainly express a lot of awe at other posters' physiotomies.

[shield80]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I'm sorry they took your magic away. Maybe someday you'll find it again.

Well go look at your cheap home video of Billy Lynn and the fake extras and costume and shot in a studio, if that how you like if that is more magic, power to you.

[shield80]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

You certainly express a lot of awe at other posters' physiotomies.

so does he

so it only goes one way, don't think so.