Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk 4K UHD 60p/3D (2016)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

We all have different thresholds for motion artefacts
But with native 60fps we won't have to deal with those artefacts at all

Just a soap opera look and fake looking props.

Anyway, we are opposite sides of the fence. I am bailing. Pointless when we both have wuch opposing viewpoints.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just a soap opera look and fake looking props.

Anyway, we are opposite sides of the fence. I am bailing. Pointless when we both have wuch opposing viewpoints.

Better give it a rest indeed, my friend. It's the same thing as arguing with people who use the zoom funtion to get rid of the black bars. To each his own...

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

The only reason why you felt that way is because 24fps is all you have been exposed to all your life.

You think he's never watched television in his life?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Better give it a rest indeed, my friend. It's the same thing as arguing with people who use the zoom funtion to get rid of the black bars. To each his own...

Not even remotely close. Your comparison is way off

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by reanimator

You think he's never watched television in his life?

I was referring to movies. Most of us grew up brainwashed into thinking that tv must look a certain way and movies must look another. When in reality the parameters are and have always been subjective. True artists always go against the grain and in the process face a big deal of negative criticism.

[trippledx3]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I was referring to movies. Most of us grew up brainwashed into thinking that tv must look a certain way and movies must look another. When in reality the parameters are and have always been subjective. True artists always go against the grain and in the process face a big deal of negative criticism.

True!

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Not even remotely close. Your comparison is way off

I don't think it's that far off. Either way, you're making an artificial adjustment based on personal preference that is altering the intended look of the film. It's your TV and you should do whatever makes you happy, but the film is inarguably being changed to suit your preference.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

I don't think it's that far off. Either way, you're making an artificial adjustment based on personal preference that is altering the intended look of the film. It's your TV and you should do whatever makes you happy, but the film is inarguably being changed to suit your preference.

No artificial adjustments needed with Billy Lynn 4K [emoji106]

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

No artificial adjustments needed with Billy Lynn 4K [emoji106]

No disagreements there! I fully support native HFR.

[Cheeks24]

Originally Posted by CHONK!

Here's hoping the 3D version changes my mind.

How was the 3D version?

My version came in the mail on the 13th (a day before release), but I haven't watched it yet. I don't have a 4KTV yet but got the 4K version anyway, since it came with 3D and just to future-proof myself.

[Resettito]

Holy f***

Watched the 60 fps version first, then did a 24 fps comparison on some select scenes.

I should note I'm watching this on a 90 inches plus screen with a JVC RS400. Now, for some reason, using JVC's recommended HDR settings, the image was completely crushed at first, blueish, just wrong.

I switched my Panasonic UB700's 4K output from 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 and for some reason, it looked completely normal after that, even though I had some vertical banding at times on faces, but not all the time and fairly faint. (which from Geoff D said here should be resolved by setting it to 4:2:0, only it'll **** up the image).

It surprised me how there was no time where I had to adapt, it's like what I remembered seeing with The Hobbit AUJ & DOS in 48 fps, but better in every way. It felt immediately comfortable.

Consequently, my mind wasn't as blown as I'm sure it would have been had this been my first exposure to HFR, but it still astonished me. I'm not going to be saying anything revelatory but it just feels real and I'm so curious to see the jump from 60 to 120.

The halftime show scene should be THE scene you show your guests when you want to really blow their minds, it's as even the harshest reviews of the format have said, the moment where the higher framerate elevates the scene and reminds you that you're watching a master's craft at its very best.

The swirling camera, the brightness, the sharpness & clarity, intercut with the battle sequence (too short, but hey, it's straight out of the book) is definitely one for the ages.

Comparing closely (anything but the big halftime scene (rewatching it all in 24 next) ) certain scenes, it feels more intimate in 60, and I see what Ang is saying about loving how the faces look, it's beautiful stuff.

That said, as a traditionalist, I still like 24 better, aesthetically, it also imo looks better & more beautiful in 1080p 24 fps. You can also "feel" the acting more at 60, Ang has talked about this, it makes sense as you see more, but also because we're not used to it.

It's still very interesting to see how you go from "reality" to "movie land" when switching between 60 & 24, the 24 fps veil is very comfortable & reassuring.

I feel the film itself is powerful, it feels experimental definitely, you can tell Ang is exploring the technology, figuring it out and trying something new. The acting is strong, Alwyn in his first feature is superb, so is Hedlund. The script definitely has clunky lines here & there (a handful, sounding phonier in 60 than 24 by the way), but that & even that brawl at the end is all there in the book.


I hope that Ang is not discouraged by the harsh reception, and does follow through on shooting Thrilla In Manila next in HFR, he said he knew the reaction would be divisive, but that it excites him to keep learning what it's about, and what he can do with it. I welcome more HFR (60 minimum though) with the right films, even though it'll never go mainstream, it just looks too different & removed from what people overall love, cherish & consider as "films".

[Tony208]

60 fps expanded Kristen Stewarts range of facial expressions [emoji38]

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by Tony208

60 fps expanded Kristen Stewarts range of facial expressions [emoji38]

She looks like a crack wh0re.

[RockyIII]

Ok so is this official? Is this now the unofficial "UHD of all UHDs"? The "Go To" reference disc? The "Creme de le Creme"?

[HeatEquation]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Ok so is this official? Is this now the unofficial "UHD of all UHDs"? The "Go To" reference disc? The "Creme de le Creme"?

Without a doubt. It's in a category all by itself. As much as I love the PQ on discs like The Revenant and X-Men Apocalypse, Billy Lynn's stands alone at the top.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Without a doubt. It's in a category all by itself. As much as I love the PQ on discs like The Revenant and X-Men Apocalypse, Billy Lynn's stands alone at the top.

Wow. If only the story was up to par.

[rroeder]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Wow. If only the story was up to par.

As much as I want to checkout this HFR thingy I can't bring myself to buy this movie

Hoping the Hobbit is released in HFR tho!

[brainofj72]

I actually thought this film was magnificent. The best movie Robert Altman never made.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

I actually thought this film was magnificent. The best movie Robert Altman never made.

I opted for this
I might get Billy Lynn as a used copy for when all this fuss wears out

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Resettito

Holy f***

Nice write-up! But why would you set it to 4:2:0 in the first place if your gear can handle the 4:4:4 60Hz output?