Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Lee A Stewart]

Another trip to Dollar Tree . . . another $35 spent. No TP . . . no paper anything. No can goods but I did snag the last 4 cans of clam chowder soup. The freezer section was well stocked and that's where we spent the money. Now have over 3 weeks worth of food but slowly running out of TP with no supply in sight.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

is that 65k per person or household? im going to assume household?

Originally Posted by MrHT

I think at this point, part of me wishes I'd get it just so I can build immunity towards it. The way it's spreading now, I feel like all of us are going to get it at some point. So maybe the sooner I get it and recover from it (assuming I do), then the sooner I can stop living my life in fear.

not trying to be a jerk but you really need to relax and take a breath. everything is going to be OK. the facts coming out right now are what have been presented in this thread countless times. the majority of people getting very sick and dying are elderly and people with preexisting issues. that is a fact.

are there some in there 30s affected, yes, does that mean it is still highly unlikely, YES. do you think people in there 30's have died from the flu? again, YES. so, just becuase it CAN happen, doesnt mean it is LIKELY to happen. do you live in fear of the flu? young people have died from it...

i am not insinuating this is the flu. simply making a correlation between the two as to why this is not a death sentence for 99% of younger people.

this is not the time to panic and become irrational. follow the measures everyone is saying. wash hands, social distance. beyond that, there is not much else any of us can do.

Originally Posted by Chaotic

You can still get it again.

thats actually not true at all.

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

It's now in the nearest city from me.

Here we go.

welcome to the party.

honestly, everyone should wake up and just assume it is in an area they live in. the lack of testing is the only confirmation that its not. just assume it is everywhere and follow the appropriate measures.

Originally Posted by MrHT

We must slow the spread of the virus. Therefore, the United States is going to be on complete lockdown effective immediately. Everyone must stay in their homes. If anyone is caught leaving their homes for any reason, they will face life in prison....

I can see that happening soon. We might have to take extreme drastic measures if we want to slow the spread. So far, the spread is not slowing down by any means, so apparently, we're not doing enough. We must do more!!

this is EXACTLY what i mean about acting irrationally. the entire United States IS NOT going to go on complete lockdown. only severely affected areas (hotspots) are taking the precautions and even then, you are allowed out of the house to shop for essentials etc.

spread is not slowing down (panic panic panic fear fear fear)

we all know the numbers are going to rise before plateauing. more people get tested, more positive cases are going to pop up. so this was obvious.

again, not trying to be mean but CALM DOWN. get informed.

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

But you don’t want to start tapping into your reserves too soon.

...the city lockdown might not come for several weeks.

as i mentioned, even cities ON LOCKDOWN, the people are allowed to go to stores. we are not going to run out of food and groceries. its the fact that people are hoarding, making it very difficult for supply chains to catch up. id expect in the next few weeks, the hoarders die down, stores have standard products available again as they ramp up inventory and suppliers now know what to expect and ramp up accordingly as well.

Originally Posted by 1blufan

For the US it's going to get worst unfortunately. There's several infected who don't know it. As soon as the test kits become readily available the numbers are going to bounce way up.
Already getting talk of schools not even coming back into session this school year.

We just have to be smart and deal with it rationally as it presents itself.

i think "several" would be grossly conservative. THOUSANDS are definitely walking around right now and have no idea. Hell, it could be me or you.

Originally Posted by Cinema84

THIS is what the media and local governments should be telling people, not spouting doomsday nonsense about being prepared and running off hourly tallies of mounting cases. People assume that getting the virus spells an automatic death sentence and that is NOT the case. The misinformation, media sensationalism and mixed messages are what's causing the panic buying. Maybe people should just stop watching news. I have.

ive been watching a lot of news the past several days and both major networks have seemed to change tune and are being sensible about this. i dont hear and doomsday talk from either network and are actually putting out very good information with doctors speaking, answering questions etc...

the problem is, everyone is now relying on social media to get their news without verifying anything (surprise surprise). every network i hear are all saying the same. MOST younger people are safe from this. Its not about that, its about collectively doing our part to ensure the elderly and sick etc stay safe from this with ALL of our help.

[meremortal]

Hopefully if $1000+ is sent to adults to help cover expenses in time of need folks on this board won't use the money to continue hoarding up on movies if they have bills to pay, kids to feed, etc. It's kind of troubling how many regular posts there were even before the pandemic when the economy was riding high and people were posting things like "I can't wait to buy a whole bunch from this sale when my check comes in a few days but right now I'm broke."

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by meremortal

Hopefully if $1000+ is sent to adults to help cover expenses in time of need folks on this board won't use the money to continue hoarding up on movies if they have bills to pay, kids to feed, etc. It's kind of troubling how many regular posts there were even before the pandemic when the economy was riding high and people were posting things like "I can't wait to buy a whole bunch from this sale when my check comes in a few days but right now I'm broke."

I'm not worried about people blowing the wad at Best Buy. I'm more worried that big cities and suburbs with high cost of living consist of people renting and the $1,000 one-time check is not going to be nearly enough, and it won't even cover one month's rent (NYC, SF, LA, Seattle) especially since those big cities are right in the middle of the virus outbreaks.

I don't think there's a playbook for this. I guess airlines and hotels get backstopped or bailed out, and everyone else? Fend for yourself.

That said, if you lost your job and are in a big city, you might as well not pay anything but electricity and water. Basic needs vs. f' everything else.

[Steedeel]

All schools to close on Friday in U.K.

[GenPion]

H-E-B in TX is offering free curbside pickup and also has delivery options available (which they seemed to start pushing in the last year). So people in TX have some better options for getting groceries during this right now.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

...MOST younger people are safe from this...

This may be true, however, Dr. Marc Seigel just reported that lung scans he's seen for some young patients with COVID-19 are "nothing short of terrifying," & that he has seen severe lung damage in some young patients. He didn't say if they were smokers &/or vapers. He said that this damage may be permanent. Even if the percentage is low in young people, it's still a concern.

[meremortal]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

This may be true, however, Dr. Marc Seigel just reported that lung scans he's seen for some young patients with COVID-19 are "nothing short of terrifying," & that he has seen severe lung damage in some young patients. He didn't say if they were smokers &/or vapers. He said that this damage may be permanent. Even if the percentage is low in young people, it's still a concern.

That's something I'd be concerned of as well. Obvously the big picture is protecting our elders, but permanent respiratory issues even in younger healthy people is certainly a bad thing. There's still a whole lot we don't know. It seems like all people are focusing on is death and nothing else.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

It is important not to panic. Stay home from work if you can. Practice extreme social distancing and good hygiene. It's really all you can do.

But I think the general message of, "Statistically, young and healthy people are highly, highly unlikely to die from this," is often being misinterpreted as, "Young and healthy people don't really need to give a shit about this."

It is critical to note that no one should be considered immune to contracting COVID-19. A baby was born with it in London. A two-year-old in the County next to mine tested positive. Are these children going to die from the virus? I have no idea, but people enjoy visiting babies. So everyone who came in contact with them is potentially exposed. And every person those people regularly work and interact with is now also potentially exposed. Many in the not-at-risk demographic haven't comprehended their role in spreading this.

USA is disgracefully lagging in testing. My friend is 39 weeks pregnant. She receieved a call the night before a standard check-up visit to inform her that her appointment had been cancelled and they offered no immediate explanation. She was experiencing high blood pressure and demanded to be seen. They acquiesced, and she found out the next day, after they had her sit in a hospital room for several hours, that the nurse she'd been seeing (as recently as one week prior) tested positive for COVID-19. The advised she contact her PCP to get information for testing. The PCP told her they won't have her and bf tested since they aren't showing symptoms. Told them to stay home and not allow visitors. I was with the couple two weeks ago, and he advised against hand shaking because he "felt a little sick". I had about 8 or 9 people over my house about ten days ago, among them my at-risk father-in-law who smoked his entire life, has type II diabetes and is in his 60s. I went to work on Monday, in a trailer with roughly 30 men, to get my layoff check. Well, shit.

What doctor regardless if they were healthy or sick would shake hands ?!

Hope your pregnant friend is ok

[MazeRunner]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Another trip to Dollar Tree . . . another $35 spent. No TP . . . no paper anything. No can goods but I did snag the last 4 cans of clam chowder soup. The freezer section was well stocked and that's where we spent the money. Now have over 3 weeks worth of food but slowly running out of TP with no supply in sight.

With the dollar store products.. you definitely have to check the expiration dates. I know most of their drinks (soda, powerade) are only 1-3 months from expiration. The other month I bought a toothpaste that expired in 2018. Their medication too. They were trying to sell some that expired last year.

[Scottishguy]

I see Trump has inacted the defense production act. The might of Americas industrial base will crush this virus.

[MazeRunner]

Originally Posted by meremortal

Hopefully if $1000+ is sent to adults to help cover expenses in time of need folks on this board won't use the money to continue hoarding up on movies if they have bills to pay, kids to feed, etc. It's kind of troubling how many regular posts there were even before the pandemic when the economy was riding high and people were posting things like "I can't wait to buy a whole bunch from this sale when my check comes in a few days but right now I'm broke."

I can GUARANTEE you, half the people I know 18-35 would spend that on alcohol, weed, cigs, etc.

If money is sent out, will the age limit be 18 or 21?

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

This may be true, however, Dr. Marc Seigel just reported that lung scans he's seen for some young patients with COVID-19 are "nothing short of terrifying," & that he has seen severe lung damage in some young patients. He didn't say if they were smokers &/or vapers. He said that this damage may be permanent. Even if the percentage is low in young people, it's still a concern.

absolutely a concern. but again, look at the data worldwide. if this was a serious concern for younger people, the numbers would be astronomically higher death than what they are right now.

wheres the article? ill check it out but i'll tell ya right now, a DR who says things like "this damage MAY be permanent" concerns me as he shouldnt be making any claims either way if he doesnt know.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

absolutely a concern. but again, look at the data worldwide. if this was a serious concern for younger people, the numbers would be astronomically higher death than what they are right now.

wheres the article? ill check it out but i'll tell ya right now, a DR who says things like "this damage MAY be permanent" concerns me as he shouldnt be making any claims either way if he doesnt know.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news...house-official

I mentioned this a couple of pages ago, but Dr Deborah Birx (White House coronavirus task force) during the 50-state emergency FEMA press conference - has been researching that young people have had serious cases of coronavirus (see linked article, but the story is developing). They're mostly going off cases in Italy and France.

Hell, I'll just inline the article, its not big:

WASHINGTON (REUTERS) - Younger people in France and Italy are falling seriously ill from coronavirus, a worrying development that suggests young adults are more susceptible to becoming sick than earlier thought, a White House official said on Wednesday.

"There are concerning reports coming out of France and Italy about young people getting very seriously ill," White House coronavirus task force coordinator Deborah Birx said at a White House briefing.

"It may have been that the millennial generation - our largest generation, our future generation that will carry us through for the next multiple decades - there may be a disproportional number of infections among that group," she said. "And so, even if it's a rare occurrence, it may be seen more frequently in that group and evident now."

(Reporting by Lisa Lambert; Editing by Tim Ahmann)

[meremortal]

Originally Posted by MazeRunner

I can GUARANTEE you, half the people I know 18-35 would spend that on alcohol, weed, cigs, etc.

If money is sent out, will the age limit be 18 or 21?

Not sure. I recall in the past you'd have had to have both filed a return and made under $75k to have been eligible in the earlier 2000s. So a lot of young adults likely did not receive a check.

[terp_fan99]

I have a government position and I'm at work today. I don't have the capability to work from home, but the dumb thing is the other 5 people in my office all have the capability to work from home. Our supervisor (who is located in another location) just keeps dragging her feet on sending them home. Nobody seems to want to do anything until it's too late. Every move by our government has been a reaction that came weeks late rather than a proactive move.

[Unknown450]

The dollar general down the street from me is getting their next truck shipment friday. I wonder if ppl will be watching like a hawk and going through the boxes again for the TP like last week.

I should be good on TP for the next week. Hopefully after that it'll be less crazy when it comes to the TP/Water hoarding...

I should be good on groceries til end of the month. Other than milk, bread. Which I'll just quickly grab at convenience store when need. Will use wal mart grocery delivery whenever I do need food again.

[MrHT]

The complete "shelter in place" order that they may put in NYC scares me.

There's no way I can just be cooped up at home without getting a breath of fresh air. So no one can go out, take a walk or jog??

I wonder if I'll remember how to walk after this pandemic is gone. My legs will probably be so weak due to my lack of walking.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Sorry I don't think the best thing is a stay at home order. People need to get outside to get some fresh air and exercise. Just being outside in the sun boosts your immune system and the risk of getting contaminating in an open air environment is hundreds times lower than getting it at the grocery store or other closed environment outside of home. I agree though shutting bars and gyms is a good idea.

We need to get the N95 masks available and have it mandatory to wear in stores and other indoor places (outside not necessary unless you are sick and coughing/sneezing). That alone will go far at slowing the spread.

The shelter-at-home policy for most of Northern California does allow for people to go out, walk a dog, etc, so long as it is done with social distancing. If people try to keep at least six feet apart it dramatically reduces the chance they can infect one another. The idea is not to keep people locked up at home, just to avoid the circumstances that tend to make contagion more likely.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

absolutely a concern. but again, look at the data worldwide. if this was a serious concern for younger people, the numbers would be astronomically higher death than what they are right now.

wheres the article? ill check it out but i'll tell ya right now, a DR who says things like "this damage MAY be permanent" concerns me as he shouldnt be making any claims either way if he doesnt know.

He was on TV with 2 other doctors & he's not the only one reporting organ damage which "may" be permanent. They are still learning about this too, so it's going to take some time to get a handle on any permanent damage that "may" result, hence the "may." And, it might not be a "serious concern" for young people unaffected, but if you're young & have lung damage &/or even the potential of permanent lung or other organ damage as a result of COVID-19 you should be concerned about it, no? One of the other docs said that 50% of his testing has come back positive. That's not good news no matter how you slice it.