Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

That's insanity. What are you supposed to do, hold it all day when you leave your house?

I guess your not supposed to go out much? but ya most bathrooms in california are closed to the public the best your going to be able to do is perhaps find an open bathroom in a park or a porta potty. The problem is bathrooms are one of the most dangerous places for covid as flushing aerosolizes covid.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by veritas

I guess your not supposed to go out much? but ya most bathrooms in california are closed to the public the best your going to be able to do is perhaps find an open bathroom in a park or a porta potty. The problem is bathrooms are one of the most dangerous places for covid as flushing aerosolizes covid.

the only dangerous bathroom

[Batman1980]

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by veritas

I guess your not supposed to go out much? but ya most bathrooms in california are closed to the public the best your going to be able to do is perhaps find an open bathroom in a park or a porta potty. The problem is bathrooms are one of the most dangerous places for covid as flushing aerosolizes covid.

People do the most disgusting things in the bathroom whether it be coughing, throwing up or blowing their nose in the sink. It is the EASIEST place in the world to catch the virus.

So yeah, you're better off holding it in and using your own restroom at home. Or if it's that urgent, go find some bushes.

[Penton-Man]

EUA = emergency use authorization
and Labor Day weekend cometh -

Dr. Anthony Fauci Predicts ‘Safe And Effective Vaccine’ By End Of 2020 | TODAY - YouTube

if the data from Phase 3 trials is so overwhelming that it scientifically merits an EUA for COVID-19 vaccine(s), hopefully we will have an equitable distribution based upon the National Academy of Sciences recommendations -

How Coronavirus Vaccine Rollout Might Work | TODAY - YouTube

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Scarriere

The tourist town that I’m currently in, all of the restaurants and shops have sanitizer at the entrance and One of my travelling companions started to refuse to put it on. I told her that she should be using it, but she still refused.
While waiting in line at Starbucks, a couple of teenagers were ignorant of the big decals on the floor and were too close to the older couple ahead of them. The older couple tried cold stares, but the teenagers were oblivious, so the older couple left.

Every single day my mind is boggled by the ignorance of people.

You want to hear how stupid some people are? I was at Dollar Tree last weekend and some lady was in one of the aisles talking on a cell phone with her mask on her chin.

I'm at a complete loss of words why people wear a mask, but suddenly think it's ok to take it down when you're talking. Don't people realize that is the WORST time to take off your mask? When you talk, you're releasing droplets in the air and that's where the mask really makes all the difference. If you're taking off your mask to talk, then your mask is as good as nothing!

[The Great Owl]

I swear to God that I'm going to pistol-whip the next person on social media who says that hospitals are over-counting COVID-19 deaths.


The 94% of COVID-19 deaths with comorbidities...

Definition:
A comorbidity is simply defined as a pre-existing medical condition of a patient, or the presence of one or more medical conditions known to increase risk of death, that exist in addition to the most significant condition (usually recorded as the "most responsible diagnosis" on hospital discharge abstracts) that causes a patient's stay in the hospital. The number of comorbid conditions can be used to provide an indication of the health status (and risk of death) of patients. In other words, comorbidity is an indicator of the differential utilization of hospital care.

Comorbidities may not necessarily be pre-existing conditions. A COVID-19 death may, for instance, be listed with COVID-19 as the primary factor, along with cardiac arrest, respiratory failure, and other conditions that are actually specific effects of COVID-19.

To put it another way...

The Great Owl is shot when someone breaks into his home.
The Great Owl starts hemorrhaging severely from organs affected by the gunshot wound.
The Great Owl experiences septic shock and dies.
The Great Owl's death certificate may say, 1.) Gunshot wound 2.) hemorrhaging 3.) septic shock.

...however...The Great Owl obviously would not have died in this way had The Great Owl not been shot.

In fact...
I'm thinking that six percent of COVID-19 deaths with no comorbidities could actually be the result of inadequately detailed death certificates. It seems strange to me that as many as six percent had no comorbidities whatsoever listed on the death certificates.

As far as comorbidities of obesity, immune disorder, diabetes, and such go...

I weighed 400 pounds at the beginning of 2005. I lost that weight, and, since then, I've run over 50 marathons and ultramarathons. Was I a "lost cause” in 2005? Was i “on my way out?” Did I not have possible decades of life in front of me?

[Batman1980]

I was also excessively obese in 2010 and became diabetic and have myself become a marathon runner so I also turned my life around. If Great Owl and I can do it, so can others. You just have to want it.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I was also excessively obese in 2010 and became diabetic and have myself become a marathon runner so I also turned my life around. If Great Owl and I can do it, so can others. You just have to want it.

My former severe obesity in 2005 and before endows me with a compassion for obese people these days, as well as for others with similar health conditions. Even if obese people never end up losing their weight, most of them can live happily for decades to come at their heavy weights.

One of my grievances with the local fitness community, and with the fitness community in general, is that there are so many athletes who have been fortunate never to have struggled with something like that, and who view obese people, diabetic people, immune-compromised people, and such with a smug dismissiveness.

I see a lot of that on my news feed from personal trainers and such who should never be allowed anywhere near a medical or scientific speaking platform. They post things like, "You won't get sick from COVID-19 if you just take care of yourself and eat healthy foods.” A healthy lifestyle will help decrease one's susceptibility to COVID-19, but it does not guarantee safety in any way.

A local running friend who is a much better runner than I am...he qualifies for the Boston Marathon every year...spent three and a half days on a ventilator due to COVID-19. Three months have passed since he was hospitalized, and he can just now walk around his house unassisted.

[Batman1980]

I will admit I have more negativity towards overweight people than I should especially since I used to be overweight myself. I have learned that that is really just negativity towards who I used to be and hope to never be again.

You can be in amazing physical shape and still get sick or die from this, it's just more likely to affect you negatively if you have chronic health issues.

[Restiform]

I just hope a vaccine will be developed sooner rather than later so that there won't be any more lives lost needlessly. A positive thing about this on my part is that I get to spend more time with my family and I finally do important things at home. Like cleaning and installing our new American Standard toilet https://bestflushingtoilets.org/amer...andard-toilet/ for our bathroom.

[Batman1980]

A Santa Fe auto parts store caught defying the state’s mask mandate could have to pay tens of thousands of dollars in fines. The New Mexico Environment Department said the O’Reilly Auto Parts manager admitted to an inspector about knowing the rule and ignoring it.

“These particular violations were very disturbing and so we want to make sure that they’re held accountable for that,” Environment Department Public Information Officer Maddy Hayden explained.

The citation states that around July 4, an inspector saw three team members, a store manager, and an assistant manager all near each other in the store off Airport Road and not wearing masks. It’s O’Reilly’s corporate policy for employees to wear face coverings to help stop the spread of COVID-19, but the citation states management at this location did not require them.

The store was also slapped with another citation for not posting signs telling customers to wear masks which is a requirement for New Mexico retailers. Combined, the violations come with a hefty fine of more than $79,000.

“[The first violation is] considered a “willful and serious violation” and those types of violations are going to rack up a larger civil penalty,” Hayden said. “We certainly hope this has a deterring effect on other businesses that are behaving this way. I will say that we don’t see this kind of willful defiance. Employers want their employees to be safe in the vast majority of cases.”

A follow-up inspection showed that the store is now in compliance. The Environment Department said the business was just cited Tuesday after those corrections were made because it took time to process the paperwork.

O’Reilly Auto Parts has a few weeks to contest the citation and penalty. They declined to comment on this case.

No COVID-19 cases have been linked to this auto parts store. The department was tipped off to the violations at this business by a few complaints sent to the state’s COVID-complaint hotline.

Source - KRQE.com

[Bigdog]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Source - KRQE.com

Hey not fair that poor store owner was set up obviously!

Just goes to show, one set of rules for our worthless politicians and another for us!

[dublinbluray108]

Going from those linked videos in Penton-Man's post. I read yesterday that the U.S. health authorities are trying to fast-track the Astrazenca/Oxford Covid-19 vaccine for use on it's patients/residents. They are trying to scale up a huge expansion in production supply for this vaccine to the U.S. population.

I hope the trials go well for you guys in the U.S.

Andalucia in Spain is hoping to have the Oxford vaccine by the end of December/early January if all goes well with the trial.

[RustinCohle]

I'm not taking any election vaccine.

[bruceames]

I'm not either, but mostly because I consider my home/work situation relatively low risk (and I don't have any known pre-existing conditions, although I'm nospring chicken either, lol), so I should be one of the last groups to get it.

I certainly don't think they're going to release a vaccine to the public that hasn't been proven to reach the desired confidence interval of safety.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I certainly don't think they're going to release a vaccine to the public that hasn't been proven to reach the desired confidence interval of safety.

from the Director of NIH, Francis Collins, M.D. Ph.D -
"Each vaccine needs to be tested on about 30,000 volunteers, we don't believe that we have enough power in the analysis, to be able to document the vaccine works unless you get to roughly that number."

Alternatively, the FDA’s position is that they won’t commit publicly to a number but – "will only approve a vaccine to prevent COVID-19 following a thorough review of the data" and "only after the agency makes a determination that there is evidence of the vaccine's effectiveness and that its benefits outweigh its risks."

Hopefully their “thorough review of the data” for a vaccine will be better than their biasly overstating interpretation of the data for convalescent plasma as said by the FDA commissioner Stephen Hahn during a recent nationwide press conference - https://twitter.com/DavidSteensma/st...08604565397505

And with regards to the FDA’s spokesperson’s statement “only after the agency makes a determination that there is evidence of the vaccine's effectiveness and that its benefits outweigh its risks."

I agree with Dr. Fauci – “To me, it’s absolutely paramount that you definitively show that a vaccine is safe and effective, both. We would hope that nothing interferes with the full demonstration that a vaccine is safe and effective.”
(bolding by me)

[dublinbluray108]

Brazil is beginning to show some improvement in having the number of Covid deaths reduced despite hitting 4 million cases of Covid-19 so far. But there is belief among some doctors & epidemiologists there that the slow recovery in the number of deaths in the country is still very fragile for the moment. One of Brazil's epidemiologists from Brasilia University, Mauricio Sanchez, has now implied that we need to wait for about 2 to 3 weeks on new information about the pandemic slowing down in Brazil. He also said the national curve is very skewed among the 27 "different epidemics" in Brazil.

I also read the news that both Robert Pattinson & Dwayne Johnson, including his family, had tested positive for Covid-19.

Here's hoping that they get well soon.

[mar3o]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mama-she-...100226811.html

'Mama, I need you': She was on her deathbed after being run over by a car, but COVID-19 rules kept her family from visiting

Heartbreaking story. This is where I draw the line. When somebody is admitted to a hospital in critical condition like this, at least one family member should be allowed in to stay with them. This is absolutely ridiculous. Is there no common sense being used during these times?

[bruceames]

My stepson, who is also my main employee, almost died last week. Was admitted Tues AM from low red cell blood counts (only 2.7 hemoglobin, the doctors there said they never seen it that low, and thought 2.7 was not compatible with life).

I was called in saying he was very sick and was taken to a room where a social worker was to see me. I thought it was over. But a nurse came in with her and that was a good sign, and they said he was very sick. I couldn't see him because they were waiting for the results of the covid test, which they said would have the results in a about a half an hour.

His test was negative, and as he was very sick in the ER still, I was allowed to see him. Fortunately after a blood transfusion he was doing much better. My wife wanted to see him too but she got there just as he was being transferred to ICU and no visitors are allowed there. After begging and crying to see her son, they let her see him through a window outside.

The next day he was moved to a regular room and a couple of days later was discharged. Very fortunate to have him with us still, they said he would have died within an hour, but no one knew he was so sick (not even him). He's even back to work (although reduced hours for now).

But yeah I agree hospitals going a little overboard with the no visitation rules when a patient is really sick. They should allow at least one family member to visit, even if it's only twice a day for 10 minutes at a time. And if a member wants to stay longer, they could be tested first.