Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Monterey Jack]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Just trying to get through the days. Video games, 4ks and streaming are helping but I am starting to go a bit stir crazy.

Next thing you know, I'll start peeping in on the neighbors...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

Think of the doctors and nurses in the hospitals treating this!

And consider this was prior to the appearance of human infection by SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus) -
https://www.netce.com/courseoverview.php?courseid=1875

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

NY Governor Cuomo just gave a scathing news conference, which included speaking out against sacrificing lives for the sake of the economy. He said he understands getting people back to work, but he disagrees that the elderly & weakened are expendable.

And he's completely right. While the elderly, and more compromised people are the ones dying most, younger people are still being hospitalized at an alarming rate, and many are ending up with permanent lung damage. The US gov't is completely dropping the ball with regards to proper support, and handling of the situation here.

I do believe based on the measures we've taken here that the amount of cases will start to drop in a few weeks, but it's going to be a horrific and ugly few weeks with hundreds dying daily, and a hospital system potentially overrun (which leads to even ore needless deaths). If more people here also followed the guidelines and stayed the hell inside we'd also be better off now too.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

good thoughts/prayers

Her status is now as in paragraph 2 –
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3249859/

And the staff now have asked who her POA (power of attorney) is.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

...and the park next to my neighborhood announced today that they are closing off all of the trails and roads for the time being.

I know that this is for the greater good, and I approve, but I still want to punch a hole in a wall right now.

I can see perhaps closing off the single track, but pedestrian park access to roads? That's pretty unreasonable if true.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

There's still so much out there they don't know but China has almost single handedly got rid of this thing without a cure.

Is there an independent source (not connected to the Chinese government) that is confirming this?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure, but I'm so introverted I've practically turned inside out . I just don't like being around people, at least not in a closer social setting. Stick me in a football stadium with 26,000 people every week and I'm loving it, stick me in a room with one person that I don't know and I'd be clawing at the walls trying to get out.

Me to a tee. I know this period is horrid but it’s been heaven going to work and most places being deserted. I feel awful for saying that but it doesn’t change the fact.

Obviously, that is counter balanced by my fear for my family at this time.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

And he's completely right...

I didn't say that I think he's wrong, & I know that you didn't say that I said that. So now I will say that I agree with Governor Cuomo, he makes a lot of sense to me.

[MifuneFan]

Summer Olympics postponed until 2021. I figured it was only a matter of time, but it's still shocking to hear.

edit: Sorry, just noticed it was mentioned here earlier, I just found out.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

NY Governor Cuomo just gave a scathing news conference, which included speaking out against sacrificing lives for the sake of the economy. He said he understands getting people back to work, but he disagrees that the elderly & weakened are expendable. It's quite obvious that POTUS, Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick & many others strongly disagree.

It's not about sacrificing lives, it's not as simple as that, if you destroy a majority of your businesses you'll lose many more lives.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

It's not about sacrificing lives, it's not as simple as that, if you destroy a majority of your businesses you'll lose many more lives.

Can you elaborate more on this?

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

...and the park next to my neighborhood announced today that they are closing off all of the trails and roads for the time being.

I know that this is for the greater good, and I approve, but I still want to punch a hole in a wall right now.

Originally Posted by bruceames

I can see perhaps closing off the single track, but pedestrian park access to roads? That's pretty unreasonable if true.

All pedestrian access to the park roads and trails is prohibited.

I will be honoring the closure and avoiding the park, although I could easily run undetected from my front door to one of the wooded trails.
First of all, I do not want to set a bad example for others.
Second of all, it is a Federal park, and, if I am cited for being on the premises under these present circumstances, then there's a clear possibility that I could be charged for public endangerment or something equally serious.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

It's not about sacrificing lives, it's not as simple as that, if you destroy a majority of your businesses you'll lose many more lives.

If you end up overwhelming hospital systems well beyond capacity & they are unable to manage the situation, & healthcare professionals & workers, & police & fire become infected & sickened as well, what then? Add to that to an already existing shortage of essential medical supplies & we'll end up with a shortage of doctors, nurses & other healthcare workers, & police & fire because of sickness. It's possible that people start dying in alarmingly, increasing numbers from not only from COVID-19, but other conditions unrelated to COVID-19 because of the healthcare system being unable to treat those conditions as well, due to being overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases, & a shortage of supplies & healthcare professionals & other workers. As a result, healthcare costs skyrocket, along with skyrocketing pharmaceutical costs. By hey, at least you'll have a job, but for how long?

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

Is there an independent source (not connected to the Chinese government) that is confirming this?

Well, i mean without the rest of my post that particular bit looks weird and out of context in how i meant it just to frame my response.

It's China specifically reporting now new infections from domestic cases and just foreign visiting returns showing signs of the virus. Which honestly does imo beg the question how it's simply died off with the current measures of a simple lockdown but time will tell. As for science debunking the "tell tale signs" of it being manipulated. Get good enough at something, it can be made to look authentic even under a microscope.

Also as for China hurting. Economically China is the best placed globally to take advantage when things improve again. I've read BBC articles also stating their position to specifically sell off medical supplies manufactured there such as masks etc. necessary in such a crisis.

I'm sure some won't care and by and large i guess i don't like the majority but i find it very fascinating when you look at all these competing global agendas and ideologies with their propaganda machines working 24/7. Its like the best espionage type of content from movies in real life.

[BucketheadPikes]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/te...ids-2020-03-23

I was not asked to, but I removed the video because of the additional commentary by the poster of the video. I'm unable to find a vid of just Lt. Governor Dan Patrick's comments without additional commentary.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

This attitude is why many more people will die - people are more concerned with the economy than saving lives. As usual with humanity, money is king. Estimates say up to half the country could end up being infected with this, causing up to 2.2 million deaths in the US alone by the worst-case scenarios. And yet people are more concerned about the inconveniences and economy. I worry about the economy too. It's going to get bad. But just saying we should let it rip through the country and take whatever victims it does is, frankly, disgusting. People say this until it's one of their own friends or family members that is affected. Then it's "why didn't they do more to protect us?"

By the way, even those who have mild cases can suffer lung damage long-term. Just because the majority of people are recovering doesn't mean their lives are back to normal. Smokers have even higher risk of long-term lung damage.

thats not true really to a degree. i personally am following the rules, staying home, barely going to grocery stores etc. but my point remains, more people will die in the years to come than what this virus does globally if the economy collapses.

that also doesnt mean "screw the elderly etc". measures should be in place for them to shelter still along with anyone who will be in contact with them. there are just so many different approaches that can be taken moving forwawrd that arent being considered. why not keep "hot spot" areas on lockdown and slowly open up society to areas much less affected while still practicing social distancing practices. keep the ban on large gatherings etc..

this is not a black and white issue by any means. all ideas should be given thought and analysis as well as what a collapse of economy really means, how many lives will be lost from that alone?

[Himmel]

WHO just said that the USA has the potential to be another epicenter.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Can you elaborate more on this?

Access to medicines.
Access to utilities.
Access to jobs which leads to less/no money which leads to no food, no housing and no meds.
Our economy was cyclical. It never used to be full dependent on itself and now it is.
As this virus shows, one "small" thing can disrupt it and make it come tumbling down.

[Himmel]

This is inhumane! A Belgian Citizen infected With #COVID19 Trying to transmit the Virus To Everyone. Source

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[bruceames]

The shelter in place rules need to be in place until we flatten the curve AND that there are enough ICU units and respirators for those that need them. That will depend on the area. I think that will happen in the next several weeks, and then non-essential business will reopen but with continued large gathering restrictions and other social distance measures being maintained, probably until next year when a vaccine is available.

We need to buy time so that essential medical supplies such as masks can catch up to demand and when that happens we can have a semi-normal society without shutting the economy down. But in the meantime there will be no sacrificing the elderly and it's much more than that. Having millions infected will mean many more mutations, making an effective vaccine for them next to impossible.