Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Himmel

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Not to be so cynical, but how do we even know he is infected?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/te...ids-2020-03-23

Republican Lt. Gov. suggests elderly should sacrifice themselves to save the economy - YouTube

Wow. These are the words of a complete sociopath. This is how much life matters to some of our leaders. Not trying to be political here. Just stating facts. I'm sure older people and their families would really appreciate the sacrifice he is willing to allow them to make to save our companies.

[ctujackbauer]

New England Journal of Medicine: Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1

for some reason link didn't work right, copy and paste:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

Study on how long this coronavirus version stays in the air and on surfaces. Most of the surface information reported in the news and whatnot has been accurate.

But the aerosol reporting is quite concerning. Particles have been detected for up to 3 hours... that's insane and very similar to influenza.

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

All these posts about people getting cabin fever, heh. I'm one of the most antisocial people you're ever likely to (not) meet so it's like I've been training for this my whole life

Seriously, I've never been happier to be an introvert in my entire life

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

thats not true really to a degree. i personally am following the rules, staying home, barely going to grocery stores etc. but my point remains, more people will die in the years to come than what this virus does globally if the economy collapses.

that also doesnt mean "screw the elderly etc". measures should be in place for them to shelter still along with anyone who will be in contact with them. there are just so many different approaches that can be taken moving forwawrd that arent being considered. why not keep "hot spot" areas on lockdown and slowly open up society to areas much less affected while still practicing social distancing practices. keep the ban on large gatherings etc..

this is not a black and white issue by any means. all ideas should be given thought and analysis as well as what a collapse of economy really means, how many lives will be lost from that alone?

What do you think is going to happen to the economy if everyone just goes back to work next week, the pandemic is allowed to sweep through the country and infect half the population? Do you think things will then be "business as usual"? Tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or possibly even millions could die, or at least suffer lung damage, stores and offices will be threadbare as people stay home with the illness (or go to work sick if it's mild/moderate and infect even more people), and the economy will be in tatters anyways. Hospitals will be overrun (as they are now), and people who aren't even infected will risk death because the hospitals and staff will be overrun by those infected. Now is not a good time to suffer a heart attack. My girlfriend's dad had chest pains last week and was brought to the hospital, and his own wife was not allowed into the hospital. She had to wait outside in the parking lot. Thankfully it was just a stress attack, but the point is hospitals are already overrun, and some of you want to just let the virus "run it's course" and sweep through the nation?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Not to be so cynical, but how do we even know he is infected?

I mean, he removes his mask, moves his fingers into his mouth to get them wet, and then wipes his saliva all over the pole repeatedly. I think his actions make it obvious what he's doing.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

What do you think is going to happen to the economy if everyone just goes back to work next week, the pandemic is allowed to sweep through the country and infect half the population? Do you think things will then be "business as usual"? Tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or possibly even millions could die, or at least suffer lung damage, stores and offices will be threadbare as people stay home with the illness (or go to work sick if it's mild/moderate and infect even more people), and the economy will be in tatters anyways. Hospitals will be overrun (as they are now), and people who aren't even infected will risk death because the hospitals and staff will be overrun by those infected. Now is not a good time to suffer a heart attack. My girlfriend's dad had chest pains last week and was brought to the hospital, and his own wife was not allowed into the hospital. She had to wait outside in the parking lot. Thankfully it was just a stress attack, but the point is hospitals are already overrun, and some of you want to just let the virus "run it's course" and sweep through the nation?

i have not said to "just let it run wild". i am saying we cannot have a complete collapse of economy and we need to address BOTH situations somehow reasonably. not one at the expense of the other. temporary shutdown is fine and the hope is to flatten the curve. if that happens, great. if not, we're looking at martial law and if you think youve seen panic now, just wait until that is enacted.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I mean, he removes his mask, moves his fingers into his mouth to get them wet, and then wipes his saliva all over the pole repeatedly. I think his actions make it obvious what he's doing.

Or it could be a prank made in the hopes of going viral like so many other idiots are doing? The person just happened to be filming already with him perfectly in frame before he even did anything? And the person filming isn't intervening whatsoever either? Come on.. This was on March 9th by the way, when Belgium had about 200 confirmed cases across the entire country. Obviously it could and likely would be more than that, but I have strong doubts that he was among that very small group of people infected. Regardless, he was arrested for it.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Wow. These are the words of a complete sociopath. This is how much life matters to some of our leaders. Not trying to be political here. Just stating facts. I'm sure older people and their families would really appreciate the sacrifice he is willing to allow them to make to save our companies.

Talk about a political misstep. Republicans have a greater share of elderly voters and he's ready to throw them into the pit?

[PoorCampBlu]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Or it could be a prank made in the hopes of going viral like so many other idiots are doing? The person just happened to be filming already with him perfectly in frame before he even did anything? Come on. This was on March 9th by the way, when Belgium had about 200 confirmed cases across the entire country. Obviously it could and likely would be more than that, but I have strong doubts that he was among that very small group of people infected. Regardless, he was arrested for it.

depending on the laws of the place etc, this could be construed as an act of terrorism and at the least inciting a public panic. In times of Emergency this can actually be a really quick verdict or back buck burner until the Emergency blows over - and I doubt jail would be a healthy place

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Or it could be a prank made in the hopes of going viral like so many other idiots are doing? The person just happened to be filming already with him perfectly in frame before he even did anything? And the person filming isn't intervening whatsoever either? Come on.. This was on March 9th by the way, when Belgium had about 200 confirmed cases across the entire country. Obviously it could and likely would be more than that, but I have strong doubts that he was among that very small group of people infected. Regardless, he was arrested for it.

True enough. It could have been a prank. Anyone willing to pull a prank like that at the very least deserves a good slap in the head. Glad he was arrested.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Talk about a political misstep. Republicans have a greater share of elderly voters and he's ready to throw them into the pit?

Yeah, that clip marks the end of his career I think, as it should.

[Eye Candy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Easter is the big Superbowl for Churches. And a important to candy makers as well.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

POTUS says he wants economy opened up by Easter.

"I'd love to have it open by Easter, OK? I would love to have it open by Easter. I will tell you that right now." - Trump

That is not an unreasonable hope. These days, three weeks is a long time. Hopefully restrictions can be eased in most places by then, at least allowing some non-essential business to reopen.

[BucketheadPikes]

“We have a very active flu season, more active than most. It’s looking like it’s heading to 50,000 or more deaths — deaths, not cases. 50,000 deaths — which is, that’s a lot. And you look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than any numbers we’re talking about. That doesn’t mean we’re going to tell everybody no more driving of cars. So we have to do things to get our country open.” - Trump (3-23-20)

[ctujackbauer]

Even in death there can be bravery:

USA Today - Italian priest with coronavirus who gave his ventilator to younger patient has reportedly died

[Chaotic]

Its nice to want impossible things.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

POTUS says he wants economy opened up by Easter.

"I'd love to have it open by Easter, OK? I would love to have it open by Easter. I will tell you that right now." - Trump

How about instead of setting a date based on a holiday (as if the virus is paying attention to when Easter is this year), we take it week by week and carefully consider the situation and the possible repercussions of getting people back out for Easter?

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by bruceames

That is not an unreasonable hope. These days, three weeks is a long time. Hopefully restrictions can be eased in most places by then, at least allowing some non-essential business to reopen.

It's wishful thinking & unwise imo. We could quite possibly be on the verge of a total disaster. It remains to be seen, so we'll see.

[terp_fan99]

Originally Posted by bruceames

That is not an unreasonable hope. These days, three weeks is a long time. Hopefully restrictions can be eased in most places by then, at least allowing some non-essential business to reopen.

Don't count on it. I would bet it's going to get a lot worse in the next 4 weeks.