Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[MifuneFan]

We're already at over 20K new cases today in the US. I don't want to imagine what our daily counts are going to be a week from now.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Hitman Horton

There's a lot of discussion about masks so here's the information. The first thing that everybody needs to know is that the research into the effectiveness of masks is inconclusive. Nobody REALLY knows for sure.

Having said that, people who are sick or are treating people who are sick are told to wear a mask. Why? If you are sick, you will be expelling the microscopic droplets of water that will be containing the virus. Wearing a mask may provide a barrier to catch at least some of those droplets. It is VERY important to know that if the mask gets wet it MUST be changed because it is no longer effective and may actually attract other moisture to it. Health care professionals wear masks because it may provide some protection against those microscopic droplets. Keep in mind, they KNOW the people they are working with are contagious.

Can a mask worn in public protect you from getting the virus. NO. Why? A properly worn mask will cover the mouth and the nose and that is it. The virus can still get into your eyes and onto your face. If you have it on your face and touch it when removing the mask, you now have it on your hands. In addition, the virus can get onto your body and/or your clothes. Touching those items, you now have the virus on you. So, if a properly worn mask was 100% effective against the virus, there are still many ways that you can become infected, as I've just pointed out.

If you are somebody that is wearing a mask or gloves, do your research. Look for videos from health care professionals on how to properly use these things. If you're not using them properly, you're wasting your money.

No offense but I'll keep wearing my mask instead of listening to armchair internet posters.

It can only help if you're wearing it properly. And as someone at the epicenter of this in the US...I'll keep wearing it.

I also don't think that someone that's not a doctor should be posting stuff like this on the internet. You say that "NOBODY really knows for sure." Yet, here you are, speaking with the certainty of a doctor/scientist. Let's not do that.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Hitman Horton

As I said to another poster, your post further proves my point so I am NOT posting misinformation.

And what is your point? It seems to be to continue not wearing the masks unless your sick. Is that still the case? Are you still advising everyone to do exactly as the WHO advises, even though the CDC is about to advise wearing them even when healthy? Most experts now advise wearing masks in public. Do you think they are wrong?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Hitman Horton

As I said to another poster, your post further proves my point so I am NOT posting misinformation.

Cool. Source? Please forgive but I'm gonna need someone more reliable than you.

For reference, THESE are reliable knowledgeable people.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy: Moments ago, he said masks should not be used as a substitute for social distancing, but rather can be used as a supplement. "Because of some recent information that the virus can actually be spread even when people just speak as opposed to coughing and sneezing, the better part of valor is that when you're out and you can't maintain that six-foot distance to wear some sort of facial covering." has said that the White House Task Force is actively discussing guidelines on masks.

CNN's Sanjay Gupta: He explained that masks could help people who have coronavirus but not have symptoms from spreading the virus. "The way to think about this mask issue is that it's not really, still, for people who are not infected. This is more for people who might be infected and don't know it, and to try and lower the likelihood that they will spread this to somebody else." He stressed that social distancing is the best best way to fight the spread of coronavirus, and said that N95 respirators should be reserved for health care workers.

[Hitman Horton]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Cool. Source? Please forgive but I'm gonna need someone more reliable than you.

For reference, THESE are reliable knowledgeable people.

As I've said. I'm providing information for people to read and then make a decision for themselves. As I have also said, I'm not going to argue my point but thank you, too, for providing more information that my post is accurate. Good luck to you. Stay safe and stay healthy.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

No offense but I'll keep wearing my mask instead of listening to armchair internet posters.

It can only help if you're wearing it properly. And as someone at the epicenter of this in the US...I'll keep wearing it.

I also don't think that someone that's not a doctor should be posting stuff like this on the internet. You say that "NOBODY really knows for sure." Yet, here you are, speaking with the certainty of a doctor/scientist. Let's not do that.

i think you guys are taking the post in the completely wrong context and everything he stated in there IS actually true. We dont KNOW the effectiveness of the masks but the general consensus is that a mask is better than no mask.

the part that a mask is 100% in keeping you safe, as he pointed out, is NOT true since you can still get it in other ways, eyes, clothing and then touching your mouth, nose eyes etc.

i took his post more as guidance that yes, masks help, but to be aware that you can still get the virus via eyes (which is true regardless of the actual chance of getting that way, and by touching clothing and then face etc.

i dont take his post at all insinuating to NOT wear a mask and i dont think that was his intention.

[Unknown450]

I went to the store and they were just putting out Toilet paper I hadn't seen any for quite a qhile. So ofcourse I got some.

Got home and just refreshed walmart disinfectant wipes page and saw a 3 pack of lysol wipes available. Got my order in then they were sold out again.

Feels like christmas day. Never thought I'd say that about toilet papaer and wipes...

Unless someone got that order of wipes in right before i did and mine gets cancelled then it'll be a crappy xmas.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

the part that a mask is 100% in keeping you safe, as he pointed out, is NOT true.

Who's saying it is?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Himmel

Maybe, but Italy, France and the UK are having a greater daily death toll per capita then the U.S., which I think is a far better barometer of the extent of infection then the actual case counts being published.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Who's saying it is?

there are countless articles on this. please show me one saying it is 100% effective...this is just one from a quick search. the fact is that most people will not be wearing the n95 correctly and that the surgical masks help some, but to what to degree? certainly not 100%

Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University Medical Center says wearing an N95 is serious business.

WILLIAM SCHAFFNER: We have to be fit-tested. We have to demonstrate that we know how to put them on and wear them. And they're difficult to wear. That's the kind of protection that really works.

GODOY: But what most people on the streets are wearing is something else - cheap, disposable surgical masks. And Schaffner says the evidence that these masks protect against infection is meager.

SCHAFFNER: The general sense is perhaps, but they're certainly not an absolute protection.

RAINA MACINTYRE: A mask will protect you against a visible splash or spray of fluid or large droplets. It's just a physical barrier.

GODOY: Raina MacIntyre is an infectious disease researcher at the University of New South Wales in Australia. She's studied the efficacy of face masks. She says surgical masks don't provide a tight fit. Small airborne particles can still get through. But her research suggests surgical masks can lower the risk of getting infected if you're at home in close contact with a family member who has a respiratory illness, but only if you wear the mask right.

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/27/80015...ead-of-disease

[MifuneFan]

And again, I'm asking, who is on here, or even anywhere saying a mask will 100% make you safe? Provide me with sources saying a mask will 100% protect you from COVID-19.

[MifuneFan]

I don't think anyone on here, including myself, believes a mask will protect you 100%. Most reasonable people, and those that actually do some research can see that wearing a mask is obviously much better than not wearing one at all. The fact that it can be transmitted through your eyes, or that a mask isn't super tight fitting doesn't somehow negate the benefits of wearing one. That's a complete logical fallacy.

[bruceames]

Lacit, no one was saying they are 100% effective. At least, nothing I've read anywhere. But 40%, 60%, 80%, is far better than nothing. That's the point. And the message I got from the poster was no not bother wearing them. He has stated this directly several time before.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

And again, I'm asking, who is on here, or even anywhere saying a mask will 100% make you safe? Provide me with sources saying a mask will 100% protect you from COVID-19.

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I don't think anyone on here, including myself, believes a mask will protect you 100%. Most reasonable people, and those that actually do some research can see that wearing a mask is obviously much better than not wearing one at all. The fact that it can be transmitted through your eyes, or that a mask isn' super tight fitting doesn't somehow negate the benefits of wearing one. That's a complete logical fallacy.

Originally Posted by bruceames

Lacit, no one was saying they are 100% effective. At least, nothing I've read anywhere. But 40%, 60%, 80%, is far better than nothing. That's the point.

sorry, misunderstood the post...agree with everthing above. a mask is better than no mask, surgical or otherwise.

i wasnt sure why you guys were giving him shit in the first place as he was never advocating to NOT wear one

[Lee A Stewart]

US coronavirus: More than 6,000 are dead as NY governor to sign executive order to redistribute medical supplies

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo will sign an executive order allowing the state to redistribute ventilators and medical supplies from institutions that don't need them now to medical facilities in parts of the state that do, he said Friday in a news conference.

The need for ventilators has grown as the number of coronavirus cases climbs, with more than 102,000 cases and 2,935 deaths statewide as of Friday morning, the governor said. Of those deaths, 562 people died in the last 24 hours -- the biggest single-day increase in deaths.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us...cid=spartandhp

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

US coronavirus: More than 6,000 are dead as NY governor to sign executive order to redistribute medical supplies


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us...cid=spartandhp

Cuomo has been such a badass throughout this whole thing.

Meanwhile, his brother lost 13 pounds in 3 days. Not to remotely make light of this whole situation but that's a side effect I wouldn't complain about.

[Moe Szyslak]

The Data Speak: Stronger Pandemic Response Yields Better Economic Recovery

http://news.mit.edu/2020/pandemic-he...-recovery-0401

A study based on data from the 1918 flu pandemic

[Scottishguy]

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

The Data Speak: Stronger Pandemic Response Yields Better Economic Recovery

http://news.mit.edu/2020/pandemic-he...-recovery-0401

A study based on data from the 1918 flu pandemic

It’s hard to compare the 2 since this one has a much higher r and a way longer infection period. The flu also mutated a few times making its deadliness vary widely. For the 1918 flu the people hurt least are actually the people who got the first generation of it because it became so much more virulent later on.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Cuomo has been such a badass throughout this whole thing.

A true American. Industrious, forthright, stoic,
unwavering.

Unlike some other people.