Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[travisbickle]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

What fake hospital scene?

Someone didn't watch.... @1:45 of the first vid I posted.

Edit: And anyone not questioning the mainstream media nowadays is a fool. Remember this last year?

ABC News Airs "Syria" Footage That Appears To Be From A Kentucky Gun Range - YouTube

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by intoanewlife

Now Michael Gove has got it as well...wtf is going on with these people!

No, latest news he is self isolating at home, in accordance with the guidance, after a family member started displaying symptoms. He has not displayed symptoms.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

the hospital scene shown on the news of NYC hospital being overwhelmed was the exact same footage from what Italy showed their hospitals being overwhelmed.

blatant false reporting

I mean, if you want to somehow extrapolate one website showing the wrong picture to form a conclusion that this is all blown out of portion, or worse that this is a hoax, then that's your prerogative. I really can't say how I feel about people that think that way as I would definitely be banned on here. So I'll just leave it at that.

[Tony208]

The media is responsible for TP panic buying.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Tony208

The media is responsible for TP panic buying.

yes, and how many times ARE you really expecting to shit during the day ??? (and yes, I know women use it more than us guys - but come on).

[zman73]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

the hospital scene shown on the news of NYC hospital being overwhelmed was the exact same footage from what Italy showed their hospitals being overwhelmed.

blatant false reporting

I myself being the skeptic I am (keep in mind I am social distancing and rarely go out other than food or jogging) have noticed a few articles where the numbers were not correct or off. One of them regarded a teen with the virus in Iowa, they made it seem in the article with poorly worded sentence that the town he was in had hundreds of cases. Checked the Iowa map and low and behold the whole county had about 100 cases, but not the 700 or so in this one town that the article claimed. Maybe it was sloppy journalism, maybe it wasnt...

Called out the odd predictions on website (al.com) had on Alabamas covid cases and deaths, had the state projected for more total deaths than California and by far the highest rates of the virus in the US. Wrote the author about it and brought up the just released new figures that showed a complete turnaround in projections. He thanked me in email, wrote a new article and it actually was the lead story yesterday on the site. I am not saying the whole thing is a hoax or not be careful, but I get frustrated at the media blowing things out of proportion or just using false information

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I mean, if you want to somehow extrapolate one website showing the wrong picture to form a conclusion that this is all blown out of portion, or worse that this is a hoax, then that's your prerogative. I really can't say how I feel about people that think that way as I would definitely be banned on here. So I'll just leave it at that.

im not saying this is a hoax. rather that media is putting fake images/video and the question is, why.

and the news itself has already confirmed the initial numbers were blow out of proportion of infection and deaths.

again, im not saying this is a hoax but rather looking from all angles and asking questions. not simply believing what im being told.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I still think our state over-reacted a bit. 624 cases out of 2 million people? .000312, exceptionally low numbers. Granted, part of that is isolation but a lot of it is also the fact that we live in a state with few people who are generally spread out. I think they could start easing the restrictions by the end of May. Even more than the businesses losing an alarming rate of income, I'm thinking of the schools because how many kids are really learning right now? Guessing less than 10%.

It's quite possible your state remains low because they shut down while it was still low in your state, so it's remained in control?

That's exactly the point of shutting things down - to help avoid spreading and flatten the curve.

[neoz]

Of course the numbers aren't correct.

One they are just saying anyone that has symptoms but say dies from something like cancer is listed as a corona virus death. That is really misleading and should not be used.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

the hospital scene shown on the news of NYC hospital being overwhelmed was the exact same footage from what Italy showed their hospitals being overwhelmed.

blatant false reporting

Some sloppy journalism does not mean this is all a hoax. I'm astonished that people still can't accept that this is really happening.

[zman73]

Originally Posted by neoz

Of course the numbers aren't correct.

One they are just saying anyone that has symptoms but say dies from something like cancer is listed as a corona virus death. That is really misleading and should not be used.

And the recoveries are slowly if ever added to the totals to keep the fear going. Listening to the Weird Medicine podcast a lot during this and it was mentioned to only pay attention to total case and deaths

Whats also funny is every celebrity/personality death in the last few weeks, if they die from coronavirus, it is in the headline. If not it simply states cause of death unknown buried in the article

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Tony208

The media is responsible for TP panic buying.

No, the grocery stores are responsible. They should have put a clamp on that on day one, as soon as hoarding started. Instead, they let it continue for days/weeks, until it became the problem it is now. Sure, now they limit purchases, but it's too late. You still can't even find it on shelves now. If they had put a strict limit up as soon as they realized something was up, things would be a lot better regarding that situation. Instead, they were happy selling people 50 packs at once.

It wasn't mass hoarding raiding those shelves - it was a few opportunists taking advantage of the situation. Most people were just buying enough for a couple weeks at a time.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Some sloppy journalism does not mean this is all a hoax. I'm astonished that people still can't accept that this is really happening.

did i say this was not happening? who said this isnt happening?

and sloppy journalism walks a fine line of being sloppy and being intentional. you do realize the more panic and fear created equates to more clicks and viewership, right? these guys are running a business.

again, when this is all over and we have the numbers, only then will we know for sure one way or another the severity of all this being justified.

also, so no one thinks im an absolute scumbag lol. i am following all of the guidelines, staying at home, going to grocery store only when needed and following social distancing practices

[neoz]

Originally Posted by zman73

And the recoveries are slowly if ever added to the totals to keep the fear going. Listening to the Weird Medicine podcast a lot during this and it was mentioned to only pay attention to total case and deaths

Whats also funny is every celebrity/personality death in the last few weeks, if they die from coronavirus, it is in the headline. If not it simply states cause of death unknown buried in the article

I also hate the fact there is never any mentions of people that are recovering. As if they only want to focus on infected and dead.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by neoz

Of course the numbers aren't correct.

One they are just saying anyone that has symptoms but say dies from something like cancer is listed as a corona virus death. That is really misleading and should not be used.

I think that's countered by the many that are dying from the virus but aren't even being reported. Many interviews with doctors and nurses at hospitals say there just isn't time to properly process all the deaths from the virus, so they just load them into the freezers and move onto the next patient. All the articles I have read said the actual cases of death from the virus is vastly under-reported due to the chaos.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by neoz

I also hate the fact there is never any mentions of people that are recovering. As if they only want to focus on infected and dead.

This site reports live stats and lists recovered cases in green in the upper-right corner.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/85354

378,289 - total reported cases
31,833 - resolved (deaths and recovered)
11,830 deaths
20,003 recovered
346,456 - still unresolved

If you add the number of deaths and the number of recovered, and divide that number by just the number of deaths, you get roughly 37% currently, which is the percentage of deaths being reported so far based on number of resolved cases, both died and recovered. If you extrapolate that percentage to cover all reported cases in the US - currently 378,289 cases total - that means if 37% of that number ends up dying, that's 139,966 deaths, and 238,323 recovered, if it holds at a 37% death rate. Of course the numbers are changing all the time.

That's not to be mistaken for a death rate of 37% of all who get the virus - it's nowhere close to that - keep in mind a large majority of those numbers are the ones who are tested positive and have it bad enough to be hospitalized. Much of those 378,289 are the ones who have it the worst. There are tons more cases that are mild or asymptomatic that aren't being tested or reported at all. So the death rate is not 37%. But currently it's 37% of all reported cases.

Also keep in mind this is just the numbers being reported. As I mentioned above, many deaths are not being reported, and many still haven't been tested.

[MifuneFan]

Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes Suggests City Is Undercounting Coronavirus Fatalities

If you die at home from the coronavirus, there’s a good chance you won’t be included in the official death toll, because of a discrepancy in New York City’s reporting process.

The problem means the city’s official death count is likely far lower than the real toll taken by the virus, according to public health officials.


It also means that victims without access to testing are not being counted, and even epidemiologists are left without a full understanding of the pandemic.

As of Monday afternoon, 2,738 New York City residents have died from ‘confirmed’ cases of COVID-19, according to the city Department of Health. That’s an average of 245 a day since the previous Monday.

But another 200 city residents are now dying at home each day, compared to 20 to 25 such deaths before the pandemic, said Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office. And an untold number of them are unconfirmed.

That’s because the ME’s office is not testing dead bodies for COVID-19. Instead, they’re referring suspected cases to the city’s health department as “probable.”

“If someone dies at home, and we go to the home and there [are] signs of influenza, our medical examiner may determine the cause of death was clearly an influenza-like illness, potentially COVID or an influenza-like illness believed to be COVID,” said Worthy-Davis. “We report all our deaths citywide to the health department, who releases that data to the public.”

But the health department does not include that number in the official count unless it is confirmed, a spokesman said.

“Every person with a lab confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis is counted in the number of fatalities,” the spokesman, Michael Lanza, said in an email. He said the city's coronavirus death tally does not break down who died at home versus who died in a hospital from the virus.

“While undiagnosed cases that result in at-home deaths are connected to a public health pandemic...not all suspected COVID-19 deaths are brought in for examination by OCME, nor do we provide testing in most of these natural at-home deaths,” Lanza said.

Worthy-Davis could not immediately provide a tally of how many “probable” COVID-19 deaths have been referred to the Health Department. The health department also could not provide the number of “probable” COVID deaths certified by OCME.

If a person had been tested before death, that record would be passed along, said Worthy-Davis. But testing protocols have generally excluded victims who are not hospitalized.

Statistics from the Fire Department, which runs EMS, confirm a staggering rise in deaths occurring at the scene before first responders can transport a person to a hospital for care.

The FDNY says it responded to 2,192 cases of deaths at home between March 20th and April 5th, or about 130 a day, an almost 400 percent increase from the same time period last year. (In 2019, there were just 453 cardiac arrest calls where a patient died, according to the FDNY.)

That number has been steadily increasing since March 30th, with 241 New Yorkers dying at home Sunday — more than the number of confirmed COVID-19 deaths that occurred citywide that day. On Monday night, the city reported 266 new deaths,suggesting the possibility of a 40% undercount of coronavirus-related deaths.

“There’s no doubt we’re undercounting,” said City Councilman Mark Levine, who chairs the city’s Health Committee. “If the person had a confirmed test result before death then they were marked that was the cause of death on the death certificate. If someone did not have a confirmed test but it appears they had the symptoms, then OCME will flag them as a ‘possible’ [COVID death]. It’s unclear to me whether those are being counted in our total stats.”

Meanwhile, city and hospital morgues and refrigerated trucks used to supplement them are nearing capacity, and first responders continue to answer unprecedented numbers of 911 calls every day. They’re averaging more than 6,400 a day over the last 11 days, compared to 4,500 before the pandemic, according to union officials.

To alleviate pressure on hospitals, last week the council that oversees emergency responders told paramedics and EMTs to try to revive a person whose heart has stopped beating in the field. If they can’t do so, the person is not taken to a hospital for further care.

“We had one lieutenant in his 16-hour tour respond to 11 cardiac arrests, which is beyond abnormal,” said Michael Greco, vice president of Local 2507, the union representing the Fire Department’s EMTs and paramedics. On Sunday, they fielded 187 calls for cardiac arrest, where they would have to try to revive people on site. They used to get 20 of those a day, he said.

“None of us were trained for this,” he said. “None of us signed up for this.”

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes Suggests City Is Undercounting Coronavirus Fatalities

Think Italy and Spain are the same....only deaths while hospitalized are counted.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

did i say this was not happening? who said this isnt happening?

and sloppy journalism walks a fine line of being sloppy and being intentional. you do realize the more panic and fear created equates to more clicks and viewership, right? these guys are running a business.

again, when this is all over and we have the numbers, only then will we know for sure one way or another the severity of all this being justified.

also, so no one thinks im an absolute scumbag lol. i am following all of the guidelines, staying at home, going to grocery store only when needed and following social distancing practices

We all know journalism is sloppy these days. I'm not defending the media. But we still need it. And of course it's going to be the big thing being reported 24/7 - it's a global catastrophe that is impacting every area of our lives.

There are just as many crackpot conspiracy theories floating around on the internet about this thing as there are sloppy articles. You have to know where to get your facts. Don't get your news from Youtube or Facebook or Twitter (or conspiracy sites). Anything you read on Yahoo, MSN, etc - get it verified by reading further articles from better sources. And avoid Fox News. They're more concerned with ratings than accurate information, and they have strong agendas.

The problem is many sites want to be the first one to break any new tidbit of information, without regard for checking the accuracy first. An example is the reports last week of the one who died on the way to the hospital after being rejected by the clinic because he didn't have insurance. Lots of sites reported on that, but none fact-checked. It was reported later in the week that that info was incorrect - he never went to the clinic, and he did have insurance - his dad called the clinic, and asked what to do, and he was (correctly) advised to go straight to the hospital, which he did. His son had a heart attack on the way, and died hours later in the hospital (he was tested positive for the virus there).

If they had fact-checked in the first place, they would not have posted all that false information. Instead, they rushed the story without even giving the dad or the clinic or the hospital a call, instead just reporting using the fragments of info they currently had.

But as I said, just because we have bad journalism doesn't mean this isn't serious.

[Pondosinatra]

Oh oh...grocery stores starting to shut down as employees die...

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/..._autoplay=true