Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1...ients-nyc-park

Again, don't blindly trust the news.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Again, don't blindly trust the news.

Did you click on it? It's Gov. Cuomo saying he knows nothing about it.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Those of you in NY, would you be brave enough to go to The Park and get pictures of these supposed death camps?
It isn't that I don't trust the news, but I don't trust the news.
They've already shown themselves to lie, and not just during this outbreak.

Even going by your logic here. If the news were somehow covering something up about the "supposed death camps" in Central Park, do you really think they would do it in a public park where anyone could see for themselves? I mean, suppose I actually went there, and filmed the area, and it shows nothing of the sort happening. Is that enough to satisfy a conspiracy theorist? No. They would just say it's a front, and they're doing it somewhere else where the public can't see it.

[MrHT]

Yay! I finally was able to order toilet paper from Amazon!!

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Again, don't blindly trust the news.

How do you not believe something that is coming directly from someone's mouth?

It's not like they are being misreported, it is coming directly from their mouths in front of your own eyes.

Or are you saying that EVERYONE is lying?

You people really need to stop this shit, you are only hurting yourself.

What do you believe in, if you don't believe anything?

It is beyond ridiculous.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Did you click on it? It's Gov. Cuomo saying he knows nothing about it.

I clicked. Didn't watch.
Can't stand Cuomo.

[mar3o]

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-as-peak-nears

Great, so now the US is cutting testing funding. Just when it should be ramping up even more.

We'll never learn.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I'm still swamped at work, so I guess I'm lucky to have that as a distraction.

we'll be very lucky if there is a solitary silver bullet, rather than a cocktail of anti-virals/inflammatories that do the trick, that said, eagerly awaiting results of -
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04252664
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04257656

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by intoanewlife

How do you not believe something that is coming directly from someone's mouth?

It's not like they are being misreported, it is coming directly from their mouths in front of your own eyes.

Or are you saying that EVERYONE is lying?

You people really need to stop this shit, you are only hurting yourself.

What do you believe in, if you don't believe anything?

It is beyond ridiculous.

The News has proven to lie to the general public for years.
I'm not hurting myself. I'm mostly staying home.
But no, I'm not wearing a mask or gloves when I go out. Mostly because they don't exist around me.
Stores for that week's supplies and Dr appointments are pretty much all I go out for.

I believe in not blind faith and questioning everything.
Don't takes everything read or said as gospel. People and corporations have agendas. Don't trust the majority of them. Ever.

[intoanewlife]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

I believe in not blind faith and questioning everything.
Don't takes everything read or said as gospel. People and corporations have agendas. Don't trust the majority of them. Ever.

So do I, but is possible to still watch the news and take the actual 'news' aspect from something without taking any notice of whatever 'agenda' is going on.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Those of you in NY, would you be brave enough to go to The Park and get pictures of these supposed death camps?
It isn't that I don't trust the news, but I don't trust the news.
They've already shown themselves to lie, and not just during this outbreak.

So you think all the photos and stories we've seen are fake?

I fear the worse.

[Chaotic]

Went to Walgreens (first store I’ve been into in over a month) and wore a mask. It’s kinda hard to breathe.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

not to sound dumb, but how do these experts figure out when a pandemic 'peaks' ?

When the charts show the numbers stop going up and instead levels and starts going down consistently, then it's peaked.

When the graphs start slowing in the number of new cases, that gives a good estimate that we may be nearing peak. Also by comparing our graphs to other countries that have peaked to watch for trends.

[The Great Owl]

[Moe Szyslak]

A hospital in my county (Southeast PA) is now "taking COVID-19 positive patients on all floors".

I don't know what that means exactly because I don't work there, my friend's wife does. As a result of this he was forced to take a layoff at work. GSK won't allow him in their building since he's living with a potentially exposed person.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The CDC estimates this season's flu burden could be as high as 60,000+ deaths, so if by "bad" they're referring to death toll and not communicability, are the CDC morons? There have been 14,865 deaths listed in the US so far from COVID-19 and that represents all deaths where someone tested positive for the virus (as per Dr. Birx) which means that figure does not represent the virus causing death but rather someone dying who then tested positive for the virus or had already tested positive for the virus. What are the actual figures for deaths where symptoms of COVID-19 were present?

The Lancet says the following:

"Our estimated overall infection fatality ratio for China was 0·66%"
https://secure.jbs.elsevierhealth.co...sent?code=null

That is very similar to seasonal flu, but seasonal flu has a high burden so why do people think it's marginalizing COVID-19 to compare it to something that kills tens of thousands of people annually in the US? It's not like saying "COVID-19 is like a knee scratch"



There are states that don't have shelter in place, please point out how much worse they are experiencing this than the other states.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/85354

We've lost 15,774 in the US alone so far, and that's just since this began a couple months ago. Regular flu deaths are for the whole year. There are currently 323,287 confirmed cases still unresolved - they will either recover or die. So far, based on the percentage of deaths we've had, that number has been around 35%-38% of confirmed cases dying. Do the math. 38% of the remaining 323,287 cases could die if that percentage holds steady. That would mean another 122,849 on top of those that have already died. Plus there are still new cases and tons of unconfirmed cases, and the reported deaths are far lower than the actual number.

When have you ever seen bodies being stored outside in refrigerated trucks and tents being set up in Central Park to deal with the regular flu?

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/85354

We've lost 15,774 in the US alone so far, and that's just since this began a couple months ago. Regular flu deaths are for the whole year. There are currently 323,287 confirmed cases still unresolved - they will either recover or die. So far, based on the percentage of deaths we've had, that number has been around 35%-38% of confirmed cases dying. Do the math. 38% of the remaining 323,287 cases could die if that percentage holds steady. That would mean another 122,849 on top of those that have already died. Plus there are still new cases and tons of unconfirmed cases, and the reported deaths are far lower than the actual number.

When have you ever seen bodies being stored outside in refrigerated trucks and tents being set up in Central Park to deal with the regular flu?

stop with this 38% rate, its absurd and ridiculous. so stop using it as proof of anything to back your stance....

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Again, don't blindly trust the news.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

There are states that don't have shelter in place, please point out how much worse they are experiencing this than the other states.

Nevada, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa and Arkansas have no mandatory shelter-in-place directives at the city or state level.

To see their stats just scroll down:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

stop with this 38% rate, its absurd and ridiculous. so stop using it as proof of anything to back your stance....

Apparently you failed basic math.

I explained this yesterday.

It's not 38% of all who get it.

It's 38% so far of all reported cases. Big difference.

Again, do the math. Here, I'll do the math for you again.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/85354

US figures:

451,491 - Total confirmed cases in the US RIGHT NOW
40,728 - Total resolved cases (both recovered and deaths)
15,938 - total deaths
24.790 - total recovered
410,763 - unresolved

38% of 40,728 (total resolved cases) is 15,476 - which is about what the current death tally is (15,938).

Which means out of the resolved cases so far, 38% of all reported infections have died. Based on the 40,728 resolved cases, 38% so far have died and 62% have recovered.

Again, that does not mean 38% of all who get it will die. I have explained this multiple times already. That 451,491 total cases are just those that are reported, and many of those are very sickly or elderly, already in hospitals, or have already died before being tested. So up to now, 38% of those who have either recovered or died have died. It's simple math. All the rest of those unresolved cases (410,763) will either die or recover. So far, the trend has been 38% die.

That doesn't mean 38% of all who get it will die. As I said, the vast majority will either have no symptoms or light to moderate, requiring no hospitalization. They're saying the fatality rate is hovering around 2%, but that's just based on what we know so far. The vast majority of the public still has not been tested. That 2% may become less if we learn more people are infected already but didn't have serious symptoms.