Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

actually, it (influenza) could be inserted on line 4 of Part 1 –
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/ppt/nchs2012/LI-14_MININO.pdf

yes i know that. but the first line for cause of death is pneumonia, not influenza. line 2-4 would then be influenza.

but for statistics, the cause of death is pneumonia (the immediate cause of death).

whereas they are instructing doctors to say Corona as the immediate cause which is inaccurate.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

aah, ok, thats what i thought you meant but was hoping i was wrong.

yea, i'll never agree to that, ever.

So if you are tested positive for it, you wouldn't want others you've been in contact with to be notified so they can be tested? Likewise, if you had an acquaintance that was tested positive, you wouldn't want to be notified if you had recently been in contact with them and was exposed? That's contact tracing, and is a critical part of getting this under control.

I don't believe in the apps form of contact tracing, because honestly there is severe doubt whether it's actually even effective, since it's voluntary and most don't install the apps, plus the question of how well do they even work? Plus factor in severe privacy concerns. But doing it the old-fashioned way, like when somebody gets an STD - making phone calls or tracking people down to let them know they've been exposed - that's an important step that we should be doing.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

yes i know that. but the first line for cause of death is pneumonia, not influenza. line 2-4 would then be influenza.

but for statistics, the cause of death is pneumonia (the immediate cause of death).

whereas they are instructing doctors to say Corona as the immediate cause which is inaccurate.

They would not have caught pneumonia if it wasn't for COVID-19. So COVID-19 is what killed them. It caused them to catch pneumonia. We need to know how many people this virus is killing, and that includes causing secondary infections. We're familiar with the flu. We're not with COVID-19. So we need all the numbers we can get. If we don't link secondary infections to COVID-19, then we won't know how many people are dying from those secondary infections, giving us far under-reported figures.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

So if you are tested positive for it, you wouldn't want others you've been in contact with to be notified so they can be tested? Likewise, if you had an acquaintance that was tested positive, you wouldn't want to be notified if you had recently been in contact with them and was exposed? That's contact tracing, and is a critical part of getting this under control.

I don't believe in the apps form of contact tracing, because honestly there is severe doubt whether it's actually even effective, since it's voluntary and most don't install the apps, plus the question of how well do they even work? Plus factor in severe privacy concerns. But doing it the old-fashioned way, like when somebody gets an STD - making phone calls or tracking people down to let them know they've been exposed - that's an important step that we should be doing.

sorry for the confusion.

i am against the phone app tracing due to privacy and that i really dont believe it will even be effective, so again, why give up my privacy for something not likely to work anywau.

if i test positive, of course i would give any info i have of where i have been and who i had been in contact with to my doctor or whatever.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

They would not have caught pneumonia if it wasn't for COVID-19. So COVID-19 is what killed them. It caused them to catch pneumonia. We need to know how many people this virus is killing, and that includes causing secondary infections. We're familiar with the flu. We're not with COVID-19. So we need all the numbers we can get. If we don't link secondary infections to COVID-19, then we won't know how many people are dying form those secondary 9infections, giving us far under-reported figures.

lol, thats not how it works though...doctors deal with facts and the fact is, they died from pneumonia.

hence the reason for lines 2-4, to provide additional information.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by veritas

A decently large number of people had corona virus but have low or no antibodies for it meaning they can probably catch it again.

Do we have links for this?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

lol, thats not how it works though...doctors deal with facts and the fact is, they died from pneumonia.

hence the reason for lines 2-4, to provide additional information.

Obviously not, since this is how they are listing it. I trust the medical professionals and scientists know what they are doing here and why they are listing them like this.

If they didn't list secondary deaths like this, how else could we possibly know how many secondary infections are causing people to die from this virus? The facts are, people are dying from secondary infections caused by COVID-19.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by veritas

A decently large number of people had corona virus but have low or no antibodies for it meaning they can probably catch it again.

I have no idea where you heard that, but since we haven't done any kind of widespread antibody testing yet, there's really nothing at all to back that statement up.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Obviously not, since this is how they are listing it. I trust the medical professionals and scientists know what they are doing here and why they are listing them like this.

If they didn't list secondary deaths like this, how else could we possibly know how many secondary infections are causing people to die from this virus? The facts are, people are dying from secondary infections caused by COVID-19.

whoa, wait, lost in this conversation is the fact that they are being listed as covid deaths WITHOUT ever having been testing. they are guessing/giving their best judgement. that is where the issue lies.

if they test positive and ultimately die of pneumonia, then sure, covid was the underlying factor but thats not what is happening in many cases.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

First world problems

And yet, a first world problem - is still a problem.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by veritas

A decently large number of people had corona virus but have low or no antibodies for it meaning they can probably catch it again.

But meaning if they previously had no or mild symptoms - then they likely will again if they manage to get infected again. It's called peace of mind.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Seems like paper money was the least of their problems by that chart. Besides if they’re still issuing receipts what’s the point?

Instead of printing more money they should be printing more toilet paper; it's safer.

[LordoftheRings]

More about masks, homemade and all that jazz ...
• https://diymask.site/

The new frontier in science (diy virus protection) ...

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

whoa, wait, lost in this conversation is the fact that they are being listed as covid deaths WITHOUT ever having been testing. they are guessing/giving their best judgement. that is where the issue lies.

if they test positive and ultimately die of pneumonia, then sure, covid was the underlying factor but thats not what is happening in many cases.

This isn't a perfect scenario. Have you read some of the reports from the doctors in the front lines of all this? They literally have been dealing with death on a large scale 16 hours a day. They're doing the best they can while being vastly under-staffed and without the necessary equipment and supplies they need. In some cases bodies were being carried off and stored temporarily in refrigerated trucks. Obviously nothing about this situation is ideal. It sounds like you're upset that they're not doing a perfect job and testing every patient that dies, so we don't have perfect tracking and 100% accurate numbers, but they literally do not have the time when another patient is rolled in right after the last one just died.

[Britbuffguy]

Originally Posted by mar3o

This should be the absolutely least of our worries. I'm needing one too soon and it's the last thing I'm worrying about. It's not ludicrous that barber shops and hairdressers are closed. That's a perfect place for this to spread as there is direct contact with one person's hand touching another person's face/head, and people being in close-proximity for a good amount of time.

I tried to get some clippers at Wal-Mart yesterday, but they were locked up and I think every employee was hiding. Target was closed and Walgreens is forcing you to wear masks now, and I don't have one.

I basically took a pair of scissors and cut off enough up top, but I like a good 1 on the sides and back, it's where all the grey grows bad in my hair, so I'll need clippers to do that.

Might just shave my head. Not like any ladies are looking anyways, plus I can wear a hat if it looks to brutal.

[sfmarine]

For all the sports & photography fans out there....we lost a really gifted and talented unsung hero last night from NYC. You may not know the name Anthony Causi but he captured some amazing photos over the last few decades for the New York Post.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/12/anthon...navirus-at-48/
He was just 48 with two small kids. I followed him on Instagram and he would always reply back to me. I saw him at Yankee Stadium a few years ago and he was such a cool guy who had an amazing relationship with players.


A few of his shots in spoiler tags to keep the clutter down.

[Show spoiler]

He will definitely be missed as he made a huge impact in the sports world. Derek Jeter gave his condolences today.


A few articles and a link to his Instagram which sadly has his final photo which is of him in a hospital bed wondering what the heck is going on.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/12/anthon...-in-ny-sports/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/40-of-...-best-shots/#1
https://www.instagram.com/acausi/?hl=en
RIP Anthony....

[LordoftheRings]

WHO ... Timeline ...
⏰ http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-to...lection=427762

[Britbuffguy]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

whoa, wait, lost in this conversation is the fact that they are being listed as covid deaths WITHOUT ever having been testing. they are guessing/giving their best judgement. that is where the issue lies.

if they test positive and ultimately die of pneumonia, then sure, covid was the underlying factor but thats not what is happening in many cases.

I've yet to see any proof of this, minus the trolls/bots repeating it like crazy all over Facebook. I have heard that a certain someone on a certain Network has been pushing it, but can't back that up yet.

I've seen at least 100 people on FB claim that people are dying in car accidents and doctors are counting it as Covid...yet not a single one gave a link, so I'm guessing it's just more made up nonsense/

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Britbuffguy

I tried to get some clippers at Wal-Mart yesterday, but they were locked up and I think every employee was hiding. Target was closed and Walgreens is forcing you to wear masks now, and I don't have one.

I basically took a pair of scissors and cut off enough up top, but I like a good 1 on the sides and back, it's where all the grey grows bad in my hair, so I'll need clippers to do that.

Might just shave my head. Not like any ladies are looking anyways, plus I can wear a hat if it looks to brutal.

Agreed. Again, it's all about sources. There's a lot of bad reporting and screwball conspiracy theories going on out there. People need to pay attention to where they get their news from. Social media is not news. And a certain radio personality that should be taken off the air is also not news.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Easy solution: make mask wearing mandatory in fields where social distancing at all times isn't possible, just like I suggested. Optional wouldn't cut it and keeping the construction industry closed down for several months is obviously out of the question, much less until a vaccine is found.

Masks won’t help very much if people are going to be shoulder to shoulder without social distancing. Most of the masks people wear also do very little in terms of protecting oneself and are more protect others a bit.

Personally I think they should have just shut it all down for like a month or 2 with no construction, no retail, no manufacturing, no restaurants... just hospitals grocery stores, pharmacy’s, delivery and essential manufacturing of goods like masks food etc that you need to permission to be open for. As we currently are we are running at like 40% for 2 months and we will need to continue for a undetermined time when we could have been done with the quarantine by now if we had shit it down at a level similar to China. These half measures will just draw it out over years rather then spreading theeconmic pain evenly for a couple of months.