Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Pondosinatra]

Majority of people infected don't have any symptoms...

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUKKCN21Y2GB

[Pondosinatra]

"The American spirit is too strong, and Americans are not gonna take it."

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...navirus-orders

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Majority of people infected don't have any symptoms...

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUKKCN21Y2GB

More accurately a majority of mostly young people in the Navy on a carrier were asymptomatic at the time they tested positive.

Younger demographics are less likely to display symptoms, so this isn't exactly a new finding, nor can it be applied to a general population. The article also notes that these positives may go on to become symptomatic later on, which may very well happen with some.

[Moe Szyslak]

Aww cool video from south Florida. Animal shelter empties for first time in its history

https://www.fox13news.com/video/674244

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by intoanewlife

Really, I haven't heard that at all and I've been reading the Guardian live updates all day and half the night for well over a month.

The measures were put in place to STOP that from happening and thus far it has worked brilliantly.

All I have heard is that they don't have enough personal protective gear and that seems to be pretty true all round the world.

There has been 500 - 1,000 people dying a day in the UK for over 2 weeks with little proof it is slowing, so it sounds pretty real to me.

You are of course allowed your opinion, but do you really believe the world would shut itself down and destroy its economy for shit and giggles?

Frankly it disgusts me that some people seem to think that not enough people are dying from it to warrant the reaction.

I know we've already fallen pretty much as far we can as a race, but really...

I think the main issue here is the reality is somewhere in the middle of all this, and as for the lock down it's very difficult to measure it's precise success or faliure, but being honest it's there to help out an already overstretched and struggling national health service, which probably could not cope with a much higher rate of infection.

As for the media, I feel like always they do like to push the fear factor, it's rally simple science when you step back from it, as our brains are far more geared to receive bad information than good, it's the way we work, all the media is doing is using this to their advantage as it were.

I for one feel that any single loss of life to any virus or anything else that matter is tragic, but you also have to put things in perspective, which can be tough if you or somebody you know is affected personally, but all the same the sad fact of the matter is people die every day, and the common flu kills a lot of people each year, some years more than others, and while it's not as deadly of infectious as this latest virus it still is very dangerous, and yet we do not shut down the global economy because of it.

The death rates caused by the latest outbreak are also not as simple as some are making out. for instance if you are going to send an infected person to a hospital where there are already sick people, I don't care what measures you take it's going yo cause issues, and this will contribute to the overall deaths that are linked to the virus, of course you can have places for only the corona virus infected, but in some instances it's not always possible, and you still have to consider the people working there.

I remember a doctor a while ago stating many men died whilst having prostate cancer, not because of it, you have to take underlying health issues into consideration, and even if the media states somebody did not have any underlying health issues, it's hardly a scientific statement, as how many people could have things they are not even aware off, my mother for instance, visited the doctor for a minor issue, three months later died of ovarian cancer, you just don't know.

So let's just hope were all safe and sound, and also lets have some healthy debate about all this, without resorting to saying people have little credibility because their own personal views differ a little.


To long in lock down

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The last hundred days have been tough, the next hundred days I'm afraid are going to be tougher.

In terms of what? Deaths? Unemployment? The economy sinking further? The curve has peaked in my State (NY) and is about to peak or has also peaked in other hot spots. The high death toll we're hearing about on the news are people who got sick a month ago so those numbers were bound to spike. The good news (if you can call it that) is that hospitalizations and intubations are down dramatically. Hospitals are still overwhelmed but the mass chaos should start thinning out soon.

As far as unemployment, a lot of people will actually be making MORE money that they were when they were working because of the additional $600 in benefits that the Feds kicked in. If someone was properly employed and paying their taxes, they should be doing well. Now I'm hearing that Democrats are proposing paying people $2,000 a month for up to 6 months. I don't know how much of this is fantasy but even if we get half that, it's money in our pockets. What people do with it is up to them.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by chip75

If you can't even show you can enact social distancing practices, outside, during a protest, what makes you think we can believe you can manage at work, when no-one's watching?

Yeah, this was just another embarrassing moment from my fellow Michigan residents.

[Blu2u]

So, with 2 million confirmed infections worldwide and with a worldwide population of nearly 8 billion people, that is .025 percent. Even at 4 times that rate, we would have a 1 percent infection rate. Maybe that puts it into a little better perspective.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

More accurately a majority of mostly young people in the Navy on a carrier were asymptomatic at the time they tested positive.

Younger demographics are less likely to display symptoms, so this isn't exactly a new finding, nor can it be applied to a general population. The article also notes that these positives may go on to become symptomatic later on, which may very well happen with some.

Or it perfectly illustrates that so many people are walking around infected and not even knowing it - which is why social distancing is critical and needs to continue for more than just a few weeks.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Blu2u

So, with 2 million confirmed infections worldwide and with a worldwide population of nearly 8 billion people, that is .025 percent. Even at 4 times that rate, we would have a 1 percent infection rate. Maybe that puts it into a little better perspective.

Numbers are about to get hugely skewed because of India and Africa

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Can't tell you how many people I see on the roads every day, betting 95% of them aren't doing anything essential. Best guess is most of them are just joyriding out of boredom.

P.S., during this pandemic, it should be considered to make it a ticketable offense to drive with your windows open or top down for no reason.

thats going a bit too far. i see no reason why someone cant go for a drive. dont even give me the "what if you have an accident" nonsense. and open windows? are you kidding me? youre a runner right?

[PS-RagE]

So here is an interesting view from that Worldometer page:




This is a completely isolated environment.

I'm unsure just how good their medical facilities are, but assuming the people remaining on the critical list die, that is a 2.8% fatality rate (i.e. 20 out of 712).

I wonder what the range of ages is for these passengers?


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[IndyMLVC]

Went food shopping overnight because there's usually less people when you go at midnight.

Man, people are still idiots. Not social distancing *AND* mask idiots. I'd say about 50% of people were wearing masks, 25% completely without and 25% with it down around their chin.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Went food shopping overnight because there's usually less people when you go at midnight.

Man, people are still idiots. Not social distancing *AND* mask idiots. I'd say about 50% of people were wearing masks, 25% completely without and 25% with it down around their chin.

not for nothing, but you realize these homemade masks basically do nothing to stop spreading or getting it? its a false sense of security and another reason for people not to buy medical masks or N95's leaving them available for healthcare workers.

im all for the social distancing and actual medical masks or N95 but the homemade cloth masks and bandanas, useless. i assume the "mask idiots" you are referring to are people NOT wearing masks, correct?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

not for nothing, but you realize these homemade masks basically do nothing to stop spreading or getting it? its a false sense of security and another reason for people not to buy medical masks or N95's leaving them available for healthcare workers.

im all for the social distancing and actual medical masks or N95 but the homemade cloth masks and bandanas, useless. i assume the "mask idiots" you are referring to are people NOT wearing masks, correct?

If they do absolutely nothing then why are we being directed to wear them at all times in public?

[PoLskA]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

If they do absolutely nothing then why are we being directed to wear them at all times in public?

surgical and n95 masks are not available for purchase right now so these recommended homemade masks is the govt making everyone feel 'safe and secure'

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

If they do absolutely nothing then why are we being directed to wear them at all times in public?

again, false sense of security. yes, its better than nothing. but that number for "better" is extremely low. basically inconsequential to 99%.

read the data, check the facts of actual medical cases studies.

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/...e2=tf_ipsecsha

[ArrestedDevelopment]

N95 masks need to be properly fitted anyways in order to be effective. For the general public, chances are that they'll be more a hindrance and possibly account for a greater risk of transmitting the virus (i.e. fumbling with the mask with your hands and introducing the virus through your nares or eyes).

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by ArrestedDevelopment

N95 masks need to be properly fitted anyways in order to be effective. For the general public, chances are that they'll be more a hindrance and possibly a greater risk of transmitting the virus (i.e. fumbling with the mask with your hands and introducing the virus through your nares or eyes).

that goes right into medical masks and cloth masks too then.

the issue of N95 likely not working for most people as you mentioned, was due to them not being worn properly ie. not a suction around mouth and nose. cloth masks and surgical masks have openings all around the damn thing, so those arent doing all that much either. yes, they help, but in reality, they help very little unfortunately.

[ArrestedDevelopment]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

that goes right into medical masks and cloth masks too then.

the issue of N95 likely not working for most people as you mentioned, was due to them not being worn properly ie. not a suction around mouth and nose. cloth masks and surgical masks have openings all around the damn thing, so those arent doing all that much either. yes, they help, but in reality, they help very little unfortunately.

Yea definitely.

I think at this point the recommendations to wear any masks is to prevent further hysteria and provide people with a sense of safety and security.