Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

No. We have thousands of hotels right now that are currently not being used that can easily be shifted to this purpose. In fact, there are several hotels set up right now as self-isolation locations where hospitals can send patients to if they can't isolate at home (due to living with a high risk person for instance). We also have thousands of public schools that are also not being used, and could be quickly transformed into living spaces if need be.

I took create as in build, that's not a half bad idea.

[Underworld54]

The book: Corporate Flight: The Causes and Consequences of Economic Dislocation. Published in 1982, in the book it states each 1% increase results in 36,000 deaths due to heart attacks, suicides, homicides, mental institution admissions & prison admissions to name most reasons.

[meremortal]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Yes, there's a much lower risk with that age group, plus they make up a good portion of the workforce. It could potentially be expanded to people under 40, but the older you go the more risk you take on, and this is designed (hypoethetically) to be as low risk as possible.

It seems like everyone's focused on just death. I don't know if I ever came down with COVID-19, but I've had ups and downs of unwellness since early March. I went from running over five miles a day at reasonably competitive speeds to still not being able to run a full mile without feeling the best. Had one day where my temperature dropped down to around 92 degrees and I came down with hypothermia while walking in 60 degree weather. And there were two different days where my leg was feeling a bit numb and I nearly tripped while walking around the house. Also had several days where I woke up with near tremors from nightmares or restless sleep. But yet because I'm under 40 with a BMI under 25, don't smoke, and didn't have a fever, the concensus seemed to be to rest and take it easy. And even if a + test came back, it might've been classified as a "mild" case.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by meremortal

It seems like everyone's focused on just death. I don't know if I ever came down with COVID-19, but I've had ups and downs of unwellness since early March. I went from running over five miles a day at reasonably competitive speeds to still not being able to run a full mile without feeling the best. Had one day where my temperature dropped down to around 92 degrees and I came down with hypothermia while walking in 60 degree weather. And there were two different days where my leg was feeling a bit numb and I nearly tripped while walking around the house. Also had several days where I woke up with near tremors from nightmares or restless sleep. But yet because I'm under 40 with a BMI <25, don't smoke, and didn't have a fever, the concensus seemed to be to rest and take it easy. And even if a + test came back, it might've been classified as a "mild" case.

Statistically speaking, the younger you are the less likely you need to be hospitalized, and die. The symptoms you mentioned aren't really indicative of covid, but should potentially have been looked at by a professional as it could signal some sort of gland issue, or other deficiency.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I proposed something similar back in March, but no one seemed to take notice of it. I believe would it would be largely beneficial in multiple ways with minimal downside. Not only in creating a sizable workforce, but also providing an ample supply of convalescent plasma to later be used on higher risk people. Since this post, I've mentioned the idea elsewhere, and have fine-tuned it to only recruit people with no risk factors like HBP, diabetes, obesity, etc..thus minimizing the risk of this group further. I also added that they would be compensated well.

I'm for anything to speed up the process of a vaccine. I hope that they allow something like this to proceed. I'm sure they won't have any trouble getting participants.

[meremortal]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Statistically speaking, the younger you are the less likely you need to be hospitalized, and die. The symptoms you mentioned aren't really indicative of covid, but should potentially have been looked at by a professional as it could signal some sort of gland issue, or other deficiency.

Probably so. Not to make the focus of the thread on myself, but I had a comprehensive evaluation five months prior and so wasn't terribly worried. But you never know. Hopefully everyone's staying safe out there. I know a lot of people who lost their insurance recently and are terrified of seeing a doctor any time soon.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Moe Szyslak

mar3o, what state is she working in?

Rhode Island.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

At a bare minimum she should at least get the $600 per week. That goes out to everyone who files unemployment due to Covid-19.

Yeah, that's what I figured. But because the system literally won't let her file, she isn't getting that either. The system won't accept the numbers she puts in. It says the gross is too high, with her hourly pay x 24 hours. Happening to other employees at her office too.

We're worried she won't be able to get those back $600 payments by the time this is sorted out.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

did you see that youtube took the video down. censorship at its finest. god forbid people hear something that goes against what they are pushing us through their narrative. we are becoming more and more like China by the day, its sickening.

if i were young, college kid with little money, no family (children wife) and the money was right, id consider it. 10 g's would do it

Companies like Facebook and Youtube have a responsibility not to allow nutcakes to spread dangerous conspiracy theories in a time of global crisis that put the public at risk. I don't believe in censorship, but people like Rush Limbaugh should not be allowed to spew their bile to the public.

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Wouldn't this "huge living space" in NYC take a while to build and cost a great deal of money? Why just 18-30 year olds? Why not up to 45-50 year olds?

Because 45-50 are at a higher risk than 18-30.

[Pondosinatra]

Guess children are back to being disease breeders again...

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/..._autoplay=true

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Companies like Facebook and Youtube have a responsibility not to allow nutcakes to spread dangerous conspiracy theories in a time of global crisis that put the public at risk. I don't believe in censorship, but people like Rush Limbaugh should not be allowed to spew their bile to the public.

Because 45-50 are at a higher risk than 18-30.

who decides if its a conspiracy theory though? plenty of aspects of that video are alarming. so, its a health risk to the public by spreading misinformation, right? yet, trump video saying to ingest disinfectants still remains? but thats not a literal health risk lol...

love the double standard censorship.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by meremortal

It seems like everyone's focused on just death. I don't know if I ever came down with COVID-19, but I've had ups and downs of unwellness since early March. I went from running over five miles a day at reasonably competitive speeds to still not being able to run a full mile without feeling the best. Had one day where my temperature dropped down to around 92 degrees and I came down with hypothermia while walking in 60 degree weather. And there were two different days where my leg was feeling a bit numb and I nearly tripped while walking around the house. Also had several days where I woke up with near tremors from nightmares or restless sleep. But yet because I'm under 40 with a BMI under 25, don't smoke, and didn't have a fever, the concensus seemed to be to rest and take it easy. And even if a + test came back, it might've been classified as a "mild" case.

I've mentioned before about the long-term effects of COVID-19. Like you said, it's not just death, which most people are focusing on, for obvious reasons. People that recover from a moderate to serious infection can have months or years or a lifetime of breathing complications and other issues. Blood clotting is a serious concern right now for those that get even a moderate infection. People who otherwise seem to be doing okay with the infection are suffering from blood clots. Inflammation is another issue they're concerned with.

Even if you recover, you may not be the same.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Even if you recover, you may not be the same.

Since the following movie classic is soon due out on 4K Ultra HD + Blu-ray
, a reminder analogy for those dismissive of public health guidelines in this era of coronavirus:

the revolver representing how anyone’s body could respond to becoming infected and developing COVID-19 (the peanut gallery being progeny virions in waiting) –

YouTube

P.S.
Looks like my sister-in-law (in her 50’s) has/will survive (although still in hospital, no longer critical), however apparently either when coded during a cardiac arrest or a hypercoagulable state due to the virus, she suffered a mild ischemic stroke and now is in rehab.

[dublinbluray108]

The overall unemployment rate in Ireland is now at 28%. Youth unemployment in Ireland, among the 15-24 years age group, now stands at 52.8%.

Also from Ireland; news came from it's Department of Education today to announce that the sitting of the Leaving Certificate exams, for the 61,000 students who were heading into 3rd level this year, have officially been cancelled due to Covid-19. The exams were already given a revised date up to recently to take place in late July. Their results will be given on calculated predicted grades from the student's teachers within their schools which will be then be officially signed off by their principals. The marking & certification process for this years exams according to Education Minister Joe McHugh will be held to the same standards as the marking of the exams in previous years.

For Irish farmers; the National Ploughing Championships, which were due to take place in September, have also been cancelled.

For international events; official commemorations to mark 75 years of VE Day have been taking place in countries around the world.

Restricted celebrations, due to Covid-19, have been taking place within the UK, France, Germany & outside The White House in the U.S.

In the UK; PM Boris Johnson held a 2 minute silence within 10 Downing Street to officially mark the end of WW2 in Europe.

A VE fly past was done by The Red Arrows as the only mass public event to take place in London because of the restrictions from Covid-19. Other fly pasts were carried out by the RAF in various cities in the UK such as Belfast, Cardiff & Edinburgh. The Prince of Wales & The Duchess of Cornwall also lead commemorations & laid a wreath at the tomb near Balmoral.

French President Emmaunel Macron laid a wreath of the unknown solider in Paris. Wreaths were also laid by the German Government in Berlin.

Queen Elizabeth II is to make a televised address to the British public for VE Day at 9pm tonight UK Time which is less than 30 minutes from now.

[bruceames]

Here's an excellent article on what the risks are and where to find them.

http://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid...hem-avoid-them

Rarely does transmission occur outdoors, although that would change if there were large gatherings with people packed together.

The reason to highlight these different outbreaks is to show you the commonality of outbreaks of COVID-19. All these infection events were indoors, with people closely-spaced, with lots of talking, singing, or yelling. The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, infections while shopping appear to be responsible for 3-5% of infections. (ref)

Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections).

Social distancing rules are really to protect you with brief exposures or outdoor exposures. In these situations there is not enough time to achieve the infectious viral load when you are standing 6 feet apart or where wind and the infinite outdoor space for viral dilution reduces viral load. The effects of sunlight, heat, and humidity on viral survival, all serve to minimize the risk to everyone when outside.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

who decides if its a conspiracy theory though? plenty of aspects of that video are alarming. so, its a health risk to the public by spreading misinformation, right? yet, trump video saying to ingest disinfectants still remains? but thats not a literal health risk lol...

love the double standard censorship.

No one is saying they can't spew their nonsense on their own site but facebook, youtube, etc aren't owned by the people. It's not about free speech. They're allowed to dictate what people can post there.

Are you pissed that nudity isn't up there as well? Cuz I'm far less offended by that than some of this crap.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

There's a Youtube video of a conspiracy documentary, "Plandemic", featuring Dr. Judy Mikovits, that has been making the rounds on Facebook today. Mikovits, who has been a fixture in pseudoscience circles for years, is now seeking to uncover the supposed hidden agenda behind the COVID-19 pandemic.

Years ago, I would have made a bet that nothing could possibly be more amusingly mindless than the 9/11 conspiracy video, "Loose Change", and I would have lost that bet.

Originally Posted by Lacit170

i watched the video; did you?

im just curious how parts of the video do not alarm you. the Fauci ties in particular. the clear evidence that cheap drugs are being pushed aside for more expensive drugs with patents where someone stands to gain financially from. it doesnt alarm you that Fauci/Gates have a financial gain in this somehow? to blatantly push aside Chloroquin until vetted (its only been used for 70 years for similar viruses) yet he will push out a vaccine to millions without the same vetting he speaks of? hmm, wonder why that might be.

its just very coincidental how many ties some of these people have to all of this. Fauci giving 3.7 million to the wuhan lab to study coronaviruses is sketchy. Do i belive Fauci has the general public's general safety as a top priority, yes. do i think he also has ulterior motives (among basically everyone else politically tied to this ordeal) absolutely.

Originally Posted by Lacit170

did you see that youtube took the video down. censorship at its finest. god forbid people hear something that goes against what they are pushing us through their narrative. we are becoming more and more like China by the day, its sickening.

A few things...

1. The "Plandemic" video featuring Dr. Mikovits is not being repeatedly taken down by YouTube because of a global effort to silence her.
The video is being taken down because it violates copyright laws by using news clips and music without permission from the original rights owners.

2. I did watch all 26 minutes of “Plandemic”, and I want those 26 minutes of my life back. I am astounded...astounded...that anyone with two adjoining brain cells is taking that video seriously. My spider-sense went into overdrive just 10 seconds into the video, thanks to the godawful manipulative music, the amateur video setup, and the whole "Inside Edition"/"A Current Affair" cheap whistleblower documentary effect of the whole thing.

3. The allegations about Fauci brought on by Mikovits in the “Plandemic” video have been debunked several times over. Fauci has served as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984, so of course he has consulted with Wuhan's laboratory regarding coronavirus in the past, because he has kept abreast of any possible pandemic threats over the years. The end of “Plandemic” shows old footage of Fauci predicting that such a virus will sweep the world, as though it's supposed to be some sort of revelatory smoking gun that he leads a "Hail Hydra" hidden agenda. Geez. Anybody who follows news stories about SARS, MERS, Ebola, and such could have predicted that a scenario like our current one was an inevitability.

4. Notice how the news clips (used in the video without permission from the rights owners) are intentionally blurry in “Plandemic.” The newsreel dates and such are obscured...because each and every one of the news clips are being used outside of their original context to support the fictional conspiracy narrative of Dr. Mikovits.

5. Pretty much everything in “Plandemic” is a lie.
Here are some handy pages debunking assertions made in the video, complete with listed sources.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CovIdiots/c...tary_debunked/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae.../#318d50155fa3

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/07/pl...judy-mikovits/

Speaking of listed sources, the “Plandemic” video does not list any of its sources. It simply demands that you take its 26 minutes of spooky music, emotional manipulation, and gaudy tabloid whistleblower antics at face value.

6. What went wrong with the education system here in America that so many people are taking the “Plandemic” video seriously? I'm amazed at how many otherwise intelligent people are sharing the video on social media.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

No one is saying they can't spew their nonsense on their own site but facebook, youtube, etc aren't owned by the people. It's not about free speech. They're allowed to dictate what people can post there.

Are you pissed that nudity isn't up there as well? Cuz I'm far less offended by that than some of this crap.

im not offended by anything really.

but youre missing the point. they change the guidelines based on what they want to censor. the reason it was removed is becuase it violates Covid-19 guidelines. meaning, the spread of misinformation jeopardizing the safety of the public. right?

so, they are saying it was removed becuase in the video, she talks about how wearing a mask could be harmful (it goes into detail but she doesnt explicitly say to not wear a mask). ok, so their reasoning is becuase people then might not wear masks...pubic safety hazard per se

then, you have a video of trump where he says that ingesting/injecting disinfectants can cure covid-19. but yet, these videos remain.

why is that lol... its a rhetorical question, we all know why. motives.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Guess children are back to being disease breeders again...

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/..._autoplay=true

Fortunately though, children don't have quite the viral load that adults do.


Viral load by age:

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

A few things...

[Show spoiler]1. The "Plandemic" video featuring Dr. Mikovits is not being repeatedly taken down by YouTube because of a global effort to silence her.
The video is being taken down because it violates copyright laws by using news clips and music without permission from the original rights owners.

2. I did watch all 26 minutes of “Plandemic”, and I want those 26 minutes of my life back. I am astounded...astounded...that anyone with two adjoining brain cells is taking that video seriously. My spider-sense went into overdrive just 10 seconds into the video, thanks to the godawful manipulative music, the amateur video setup, and the whole "Inside Edition"/"A Current Affair" cheap whistleblower documentary effect of the whole thing.

3. The allegations about Fauci brought on by Mikovits in the “Plandemic” video have been debunked several times over. Fauci has served as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984, so of course he has consulted with Wuhan's laboratory regarding coronavirus in the past, because he has kept abreast of any possible pandemic threats over the years. The end of “Plandemic” shows old footage of Fauci predicting that such a virus will sweep the world, as though it's supposed to be some sort of revelatory smoking gun that he leads a "Hail Hydra" hidden agenda. Geez. Anybody who follows news stories about SARS, MERS, Ebola, and such could have predicted that a scenario like our current one was an inevitability.

4. Notice how the news clips (used in the video without permission from the rights owners) are intentionally blurry in “Plandemic.” The newsreel dates and such are obscured...because each and every one of the news clips are being used outside of their original context to support the fictional conspiracy narrative of Dr. Mikovits.

5. Pretty much everything in “Plandemic” is a lie.
Here are some handy pages debunking assertions made in the video, complete with listed sources.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CovIdiots/c...tary_debunked/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahae.../#318d50155fa3

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/07/pl...judy-mikovits/

Speaking of listed sources, the “Plandemic” video does not list any of its sources. It simply demands that you take its 26 minutes of spooky music, emotional manipulation, and gaudy tabloid whistleblower antics at face value.

6. What went wrong with the education system here in America that so many people are taking the “Plandemic” video seriously? I'm amazed at how many otherwise intelligent people are sharing the video on social media

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i dont disagree with any of that, those are all aspects of the video that i specifically did not mention a being alarming and you failed to even bring them up.

Fauci donated 3.7 million to wuhan lab - this is not new news but was mentioned in the video.

the fact that cheap drugs are being pushed aside (chlorquin for example) in favor of drugs that are expensive.

denouncing chloroquin (used for 70 years and has proven results worldwide used in covid patients) claiming its not vetted, yet literally says a vaccine will be pushed out earlier without the same vetting requirements.

and then there's the whole issue of patents which he stands to financially gain from along with Mr Gates.

forget all the other nonsense, i dont believe Fauci was invloved in some conspiracy to release this upon the world lol. i believe he has the general publics health as his primary concern. as for the other stuff about her being silenced and him stealing the paperwork, honestly, we'll never know. its a he said she said, so, irrelevant to what actually does matter in the video.

just like every other piece news out there, we have to unfortunately discern fact from fiction.

and if you are saying the reason it was removed is becuase of the sources used without permission, which i heard it was for misguiding the public health, then i can guarantee you i can search on youtube in 5 minutes and find similar stuff which has not been removed.

"Suggesting that wearing a mask can make you sick could lead to imminent harm, so we're removing the video," a Facebook spokesperson told CBS News in a statement.