Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I gotta tell you...Chinese Food is practically found every few blocks in NYC. It kills me that those places have been closed for 2 months. That's my go-to comfort food.

cant get takeout/delivery?

my kids have been asking for chinese past few weeks. might order some tomorrow

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

cant get takeout/delivery?

my kids have been asking for chinese past few weeks. might order some tomorrow

Don't order Chinese food, do you not watch the news, the virus came from Chiiiiinnnaaa.

[LordoftheRings]

I found it surprising that all the places I go to (including drug stores and banks), they don't offer masks to their customers ... money or free (it don't matter to me, but for others it does a great deal).

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I found it surprising that all the places I go to (including drug stores and banks), they don't offer masks to their customers ... money or free (it don't matter to me, but for others it does a great deal).

Not so sure banks should be offering face masks.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

10-90% lol

cmon

It's an answer to one of the comments from his article. Go ahead, laugh, but there is a wide range of homemade and other cloth masks out there, and if he believes most of them fall within 50-70%, why would you doubt him?

A cloth mask, depending on how it’s made will reduce the viral load you inhale somewhere between a 10-90%, with most masks being around 50-70%.

BTW, here are so other answers to comments regarding risks in certain activities.

Hiking. 3 hours of drafting someone could potentially lead to infection. But, I tend to think that the outdoor environment rapidly dilutes infectious material and the risk would be low.

But there are many caveats. Some people release huge amounts of infectious material, others very little (that is assuming they are infected). Same with infectious dose, it’s different for different people.

Gyms. I have reservations about gym classes and gyms in general. We know that someone can feel perfectly fine, but still be releasing virus into the environment.

Cardio results in huffing and puffing, so the chances for lots of virus being released in the air would be high (if someone is infected). Your deep breathing, especially mouth breathing, gives the opportunity for infectious particles to get in you.

I guess it comes down to the air source in the room. If it’s recycled air, then I wouldn’t do it. If it’s single pass conditioned air, then possibly. If it’s natural ventilation, then possibly. If it’s outdoors, yes.

Gloves are meaningless in a gym (and most places outside of a lab or hospital setting. You are going to touch you face with the gloves and then touch equipment and then your face.

I’ve seen some gyms discuss being open for an hour then closing for 30 minutes to air-out and decontaminate. It’s Possibly the best idea I’ve heard if it’s going to happen.

But social distancing in an enclosure spin studio/Pilates etc, is fairly meaningless from a transmission standpoint, especially if the air is recycled.

Schools are going to be interesting. No one want to be the first. But most evidence points to the fact that children can be infected, but they are not very good at infecting others. So child-to-child or child-to-teacher infection risk appears low.

The larger risk is teacher-to-teacher/staff. And that risk needs to be managed and can be managed.

We are going to have a similar and maybe larger problem at universities. College kids are likely more infectious (than younger kids), and professors are usually older.

My hope is that countries innovate the heck out this and come up with a testing solution for works places to mitigate risks. It can be done.

I’m not too concerned with salons as long as both people can wear masks, and every second seat is unoccupied. That would reduce infection risk dramatically.

Typical male haircuts are only 15 minutes. So the time v exposure is low. So risk is low (with mask).

A basic trim for long hair, is also pretty quick.

I’d start to be a little more cautious with longer appointments.

Minimize people waiting.

(air travel) There have been recorded incidents of infections occurring on planes, but for the volume of air traffic, the incidence is low. They have great air filtration on board most modern planes.

Those immediately around you on the plane and fomite transfer from surfaces are your major concern. We travelled internationally recently, and just had wipes with us to clean our immediate contact surfaces and limited/were super cautious using the bathroom.

The article itself is must read IMO.

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the...hem-avoid-them

[MifuneFan]

If someone is infected and doesn't know it, even a cotton mask can reduce the amount of viral particles being released by them. That alone makes it a better solution than nothing at all. If everyone wore a mask at the start, things would have been a whole lot better than they are now.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

10-90% lol

cmon

And I suppose it's a coincidence that the 3 countries that have the most widespread mask use: Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong, are the countries that have flattened the curve the most? Singapore had a spike but their government actually discouraged mask use (likely following the advice of the WHO, who have lost much credibility) until the spikes started up.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by bruceames

People talk of this second wave like it's going to be a certainty. But there is no consensus among scientists regarding this. Some think that there is going to be spikes as restrictions ease, but not enough to launch a full-blown wave.

There are going to be a lot of controls in place until we get a vaccine. Social distancing, masks, contact tracing and widespread testing. More readiness in terms of healthcare PPE and capacity.

Plus they will be on the alert for this. It's not like the Spanish flu where it just took everyone by surprise and there are no troops this time to transport a newly mutated virus around the world.

You never know, but I don't think a second wave is a slam dunk.

▪https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriswe.../#7f9ee6dd4ffe

▪ https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...look-in-canada

I don't know Bruce, I'm just a reader like you. I've read several articles and from the smartest pandemic experts there seems to be a general consensus on reality.
There is no doubt that Fall is Flu season.

We'll see, and hope for the best.

[DanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

Colorado restaurant ordered shut after viral video

https://www.yahoo.com/news/colorado-...204932662.html

Simon Pegg represents the restaurant owner.

"We did our time." The nerve....

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by bruceames

And I suppose it's a coincidence that the 3 countries that have the most widespread mask use: Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong, are the countries that have flattened the curve the most? Singapore had a spike but their government actually discouraged mask use (likely following the advice of the WHO, who have lost much credibility) until the spikes started up.

And a great deal of people in S. Korea, and Japan aren't wearing surgical masks, or respirators, but just regular cotton/custom masks.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I gotta tell you...Chinese Food is practically found every few blocks in NYC. It kills me that those places have been closed for 2 months. That's my go-to comfort food.

My favorite Chinese restaurant is just a 5-mnute walk from my apartment, and thankfully they are still delivering, so we still have that option. Though we're not ordering much of anything for food due to finances.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

▪https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriswe.../#7f9ee6dd4ffe

▪ https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...look-in-canada

I don't know Bruce, I'm just a reader like you. I've read several articles and from the smartest pandemic experts there seems to be a general consensus on reality.
There is no doubt that Fall is Flu season.

We'll see, and hope for the best.

Yeah we'll see. There probably will be a wave to some degree, in part due to the colder climate coming in the fall. But as bad as what we're seeing now? I doubt it, unless it mutates into a worse strain like the Spanish flu did.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

And a great deal of people in S. Korea, and Japan aren't wearing surgical masks, or respirators, but just regular cotton/custom masks.

Yep, they don't have to be medical grade masks to work.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

And I suppose it's a coincidence that the 3 countries that have the most widespread mask use: Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong, are the countries that have flattened the curve the most? Singapore had a spike but their government actually discouraged mask use (likely following the advice of the WHO, who have lost much credibility) until the spikes started up.

I definitely think masks help. I just think it's funny when you see a range as broad as 10%-90% for anything. Especially when it's something this serious.

[chip75]

I was pretty young when they moved locations (same surgery different dentists), but in all the years I've been going to our dentist not once have the dentist or his assistant have ever worn a mask.

Will be interesting to see how they change.

[LordoftheRings]

One of my local Best Buy stores doesn't take cash, only plastic.
Home Depot; one cashier wearing gloves for cash, and another cashier only for credit cards.
Burger King drive thru; both cash and plastic.

I noticed many new faces, and some anguish in some faces, plus people expressing vocal opinions, and frustrations. It is extremely slow most places...except drive thru for fast food.
The new world...eating in the car.
Public restrooms?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I definitely think masks help. I just think it's funny when you see a range as broad as 10%-90% for anything. Especially when it's something this serious.

If I were to run in race where they required masks, then I would use one of those 10% ones (thin single layer porous cloth material ).

Maybe later they'll have standards for cloth masks?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

I gotta tell you...Chinese Food is practically found every few blocks in NYC. It kills me that those places have been closed for 2 months. That's my go-to comfort food.

Not even open for take out?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

cant get takeout/delivery?

my kids have been asking for chinese past few weeks. might order some tomorrow

Originally Posted by bruceames

Not even open for take out?

Nope. They closed before everything else did. In fact, I think they were closed even before my work was.

There's not a single open Chinese food restaurant for miles in NYC.

You could argue both that they knew what was coming so they closed early....or....racism. I've heard both.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by bruceames

It's an answer to one of the comments from his article. Go ahead, laugh, but there is a wide range of homemade and other cloth masks out there, and if he believes most of them fall within 50-70%, why would you doubt him?

BTW, here are so other answers to comments regarding risks in certain activities.

The article itself is must read IMO.

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the...hem-avoid-them

Originally Posted by bruceames

And I suppose it's a coincidence that the 3 countries that have the most widespread mask use: Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong, are the countries that have flattened the curve the most? Singapore had a spike but their government actually discouraged mask use (likely following the advice of the WHO, who have lost much credibility) until the spikes started up.

im not questioning that masks help to varying degrees but for anyone to say 10%-90% is just pointless. just say, they work to some degree depending on the mask.

Originally Posted by chip75

I was pretty young when they moved locations (same surgery different dentists), but in all the years I've been going to our dentist not once have the dentist or his assistant have ever worn a mask.

Will be interesting to see how they change.

my buddy is a dentist and they just re-opened this week for general appointments. was emergency surgical visits only prior which was basically once a week until now.

this is what he said new protocols are:

Gowns, N95 with surgical mask over, gloves, face shield.
head bonnet, clean clothes to wear home (shoes and clothes worn at work are not to be worn home). Temps taken at the door for all employees and patients, questionnaire for all patients upon arrival, arrows around office directing people, limited waiting room, 6ft between chairs.