Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

Will you please explain why everyone should watch that video?

Maybe PM has a cameo with his pole?

[MrHT]

If anyone still need toilet paper, Amazon is selling a pretty huge bundle of 80 rolls.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I know I must be crazy for doing this, but I went ahead and placed an order. At a little over 50 cents per roll, that's not a bad deal at all. Some of my neighbors told me that toilet paper is still extremely hard to find at the store and when they do eventually find it, it's overpriced. So, considering I'm always home now and use up toilet paper at a much faster rate, it never hurts to buy a big bulk now and stock up. Looks like 80 rolls might last me a very long time.

EDIT- LOL, two minutes after I posted this, it sold out. But do keep checking, this seems to come back in stock every so often.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

Since this virus began, I've been reading that people have been comparing COVID-19 to the HIV/AIDS virus for some odd reason. However, these viruses couldn't be more different - and, I think it's ridiculous, misleading, and irresponsible to compare the two:

HIV is spread through blood. So, intimate/sexual contact with someone else who has it (if blood is transmitted), a dirty/infected needle, and/or a blood transfusion are ways that this can be transmitted. You cannot get this by hugging someone, kissing someone (unless blood is transmitted, and it's unlikely with kissing), sitting near someone, touching something an infected person has touched, saliva, saliva droplets, via the air, etc. I have also heard that if you get this, it's pretty much fatal - without medication. And, there is no cure for this - AFAIK.

Conversely, COVID-19 can be spread through the air via saliva droplets, by touching something an infected person has touched & then touching your face/mouth, etc. It's much more transmittable/contagious than AIDS. And, people getting this vary widely re: their symptoms: I.e., some are asymptomatic; some get sick but then can recover @ home without going to a hospital; some get very sick and need to go to a hospital & then recover with medical help; and, some get sick & die (even with medical help). So, despite there being no cure for this some people have recovered - even though they still may be able to get this again.

Already responded to that -

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=8357

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

Will you please explain why everyone should watch that video?

Because I think it highlights in easy to understand laymen’s terms the questionable efficacy of HCQ as a prophylactic for COVID-19 at the current time. Right now there is a lack of robust clinical evidence (a peer reviewed prospective randomized, double-blinded study) to date, and despite the questionable efficacy and known safety concerns, the whole HCQ hype may sadly deprive HCQ to legitimate patients due to panic stocking because of endorsement by this or that high profile figure with no experience in medicine, be it a politician, sports figure or Hollywood celebrity, etc.

Not to mention instilling a false sense of protection among the common mass as the Wisconsin lady in the video admits to. The vast majority of physicians and Medical Boards are proponents of science and even though some have legitimately prescribed off-label use of medications for other maladies, including for that matter HCQ for pseudogout, they strongly believe due to its safety concerns, the prophylactic use of hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19 needs to be further investigated before cavalier prescribing it as such.

Hopefully this study should prove guidance -
https://www.dicardiology.com/article...begins-detroit
if it passes peer review.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Blackwater!? How 'bout some quarantined Blackwater.

The Doobie Brothers - Black Water (Live in Isolation) - YouTube

good tune
although not as elegant as the Doobie brothers, they actually had musical entertainment at those Blackwater 100s - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpXPlIQCGgc#t=5m48s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Maybe PM has a cameo with his pole?

believe me, I would if I could, but Top Gun: Maverick didn’t shoot in that neck of the woods, more like further west –



as tacked up on a beam in the respective bar -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...h#post17230335

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Because I think it highlights in easy to understand laymen’s terms the questionable efficacy of HCQ as a prophylactic for COVID-19 at the current time. Right now there is a lack of robust clinical evidence (a peer reviewed prospective randomized, double-blinded study) to date, and despite the questionable efficacy and known safety concerns, the whole HCQ hype may sadly deprive HCQ to legitimate patients due to panic stocking because of endorsement by this or that high profile figure with no experience in medicine, be it a politician, sports figure or Hollywood celebrity, etc.

Not to mention instilling a false sense of protection among the common mass as the Wisconsin lady in the video admits to. The vast majority of physicians and Medical Boards are proponents of science and even though some have legitimately prescribed off-label use of medications for other maladies, including for that matter HCQ for pseudogout, they strongly believe due to its safety concerns, the prophylactic use of hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19 needs to be further investigated before cavalier prescribing it as such.

Hopefully this study should prove guidance -
https://www.dicardiology.com/article...begins-detroit
if it passes peer review.

I don’t think you have to worry about instilling a false sense of protection among the common masses. Quite the opposite. Seems to me that the MSM is ardent to instill fear into the public about this drug. I have only seen reports/articles with the general theme of “you’re going to die if you take it”. Fear, hopelessness and stress take a toll on the body, especially the immune system, as well as the mental aspects. As such people should be allowed in parks and beaches. As an aside note, perhaps hydroxychloroquine helped the woman in the article survive COVID-19?

The drug can only be precured thru a prescription, so I don’t think there will be very much stock piling by the public. Also, I have not seen any articles that it is being prescribed to the public for prevention. I haven’t read of any shortages yet.

I am glad that there are more and more trials. Hopefully they are successful.

[Member-222782]

I'm subscribed to online daily news briefings from The New York Times, which I read diligently on my commute to work. Most of the time the briefings all start with a COVID-related topic but lately they've been about other subjects. Today's top 3 headlines: A California college is dropping the SAT, China cracks down on Hong Kong and Joe Biden is considering Elizabeth Warren for running mate. I guess this means COVID isn't a thing anymore? Or at least it's partial good news that the worst may be behind us.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

I'm subscribed to online daily news briefings from The New York Times, which I read diligently on my commute to work. Most of the time the briefings all start with a COVID-related topic but lately they've been about other subjects. Today's top 3 headlines: A California college is dropping the SAT, China cracks down on Hong Kong and Joe Biden is considering Elizabeth Warren for running mate. I guess this means COVID isn't a thing anymore? Or at least it's partial good news that the worst may be behind us.

I think its a natural reaction to the CNN/MSNBC/FOXN scroll of daily covid death tolls (it even takes up a good section of the right of the TV on CNN). It becomes irritating.

One of the highest spikes of search results in google news is a search for 'good news'. Nightly network news dedicates 2 minutes of the latest charity/non-profit/do-good to keep the populace from going crazy.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

...Nightly network news dedicates 2 minutes of the latest charity/non-profit/do-good to keep the populace from going crazy.

To be fair, that's been going on since I've been alive...

Breaking News! Death! Death! Tragedy! Weather! Sports! More Death! And wrap up with a feel good segment.

Thank you for watching, we'll see you tomorrow.

[ctujackbauer]

You know who didn't need to fill his broadcast with good news?

Walter Cronkite.

[Bigdog]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

To be fair, that's been going on since I've been alive...

Breaking News! Death! Death! Tragedy! Weather! Sports! More Death! And wrap up with a feel good segment.

Thank you for watching, we'll see you tomorrow.

I stick with local news because at least at that level you get more of the facts and less of the opinions presented as facts like you will watching anyone on cnn, msnbc and fox these days.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Bigdog

I stick with local news because at least at that level you get more of the facts and less of the opinions presented as facts like you will watching anyone on cnn, msnbc and fox these days.

Yes, I should add the Collary of then you get the national news which consists of nothing but Government approved, sanitized, official narrative etc. BS.

There's literally a handful of true independent journalists left in the world.

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Already responded to that -

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=8357

Yes - I read your earlier response. This doesn't change my post/thoughts on this one iota. I agree 100% with NARMAK's post that you were responding to in your post.

HIV & COVID-19 are two completely different types of illnesses & shouldn't even be uttered together in the same breath - or compared to each other in any way, shape, or form. Doing so is misleading, erroneous, and ignorant.

And, yes - I understand that the discussion was more on how the illnesses will be dealt with than their method/mode of transmission. But, again, they are two completely different types of illnesses & shouldn't be compared in any way.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

I don’t think you have to worry about instilling a false sense of protection among the common masses.

You don’t think a platform (twitter) with over 80 million followers and like-thinking other media is influential to common masses?

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

The drug can only be precured thru a prescription, so I don’t think there will be very much stock piling by the public. Also, I have not seen any articles that it is being prescribed to the public for prevention. I haven’t read of any shortages yet.

The last time HCQ was hyped so much, March 19th , prescriptions jumped 46 times - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/u...loroquine.html

Of which a ripple effect was –
“Gwendolyn Young walked into her pharmacy in Los Angeles four days after the president’s March 19 briefing, trying to pick up a 90-day prescription of hydroxychloroquine. She has taken the medication for more than 30 years to treat lupus. The drug, while approved for malaria, is also used to treat lupus and other autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis. Hundreds of thousands of patients across the United States rely on it to keep painful symptoms at bay.
At the pharmacy, Ms. Young said, she was told to start rationing her pills because the drug was being given only to patients who had Covid-19. She was eventually able to get a 14-day supply, but the uncertainty has made her anxious.
“Will I have to keep doing this every 14 days?” she said. “What happens to those people who don’t push the way I do?”
Although the availability of hydroxychloroquine has improved in recent weeks, the Food and Drug Administration still lists it as being in short supply.

Mike Donnelly, vice president of communications for the Lupus Foundation of America, said that the organization received calls and emails daily from patients who were told their prescription could be filled only in part or not at all. A spokesman for the Arthritis Foundation said some patients received their refills only after calling around to as many as a dozen pharmacies."

And if you're one of these guys who now questions N.Y. Times reporting, last month the Medical Board of California sent all licensed physicians warning them of the problem/result of over prescribing HCQ which was already happening.

[Pondosinatra]

"More likely is we will end up with a vaccine, or a number of vaccines, that are only partially effective."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...avirus-vaccine

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

To be fair, that's been going on since I've been alive...

Breaking News! Death! Death! Tragedy! Weather! Sports! More Death! And wrap up with a feel good segment.

Thank you for watching, we'll see you tomorrow.

Lately, NBC Nightly News have been pretty positive. Supposedly, people who have had the Coronavirus are showing signs of immunity and so far, the latest testing on a vaccine have been successful, which means we may very well have a vaccine by the end of the year.

Who knows if all this is really true, but it's nice to finally be hearing some good news about this.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

Yes - I read your earlier response. This doesn't change my post/thoughts on this one iota. I agree 100% with NARMAK's post that you were responding to in your post.

HIV & COVID-19 are two completely different types of illnesses & shouldn't even be uttered together in the same breath - or compared to each other in any way, shape, or form. Doing so is misleading, erroneous, and ignorant.

And, yes - I understand that the discussion was more on how the illnesses will be dealt with than their method/mode of transmission. But, again, they are two completely different types of illnesses & shouldn't be compared in any way.

Well, they're both viruses so, no, they're not "different types of illnesses."

You seem to be taking it very personally and I'm curious as to why.

[Dining Dead]

I saw that the CDC is estimating the mortality rate to be a bit lower than previously thought, so that's good. On the vaccine side of things, I've read that the absolute earliest would be sometime next year, and even that would be miraculously fast.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Dining Dead

I saw that the CDC is estimating the mortality rate to be a bit lower than previously thought, so that's good. On the vaccine side of things, I've read that the absolute earliest would be sometime next year, and even that would be miraculously fast.

Yes that is good news. They estimate that the mortality rate is only 0.4%. And that's only for people who have symptoms. They also estimate that another 35% are asymptomatic. So that would put the mortality rate for everyone infected at 0.26% (0.4 x (1 - 0.35)

Using that figure would put the number of currently/previously infected in the U.S. at around 37 million (96,731 deaths / 0.0026), which would be 11% of the population. Seems a little high at this point, but not unrealistically so.

Surprised to see such optimistic estimates from the CDC. I hope they are reasonably close.