Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Batman1980]

We are being lied to about how dangerous it is because fear is one of the most powerful tools on this planet.

[bruceames]

According to the CDC's website, they estimate the symptomatic fatality rate at 0.4%, and the flu at 0.136%. So Covid 19 would be three times deadlier.

By age group

Age Covid 19
0-49 0.05% (3.7 times deadlier than flu)

50-64 0.2% (2.6 times deadlier)

65+ 1.3% (1.5 times deadlier)

What is interesting is that Covid 19, relatively speaking, is more deadly to younger people than to older, when compared to the flu. I would have thought it be the other way around. According to their estimates the Covid 19 is 1.5 times more deadly than the flu for people 65 or over, and 3.7 times more deadly for people younger than 50.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...18/archive.htm

[mar3o]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-...172847936.html

A Houston-area waterpark reopened in defiance of state orders on Saturday, May 23, and attracted a line of hundreds of people, most of whom did not wear face-coverings or practise social distancing.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by bruceames

According to the CDC's website, they estimate the symptomatic fatality rate at 0.4%, and the flu at 0.136%. So Covid 19 would be three times deadlier.

By age group

Age Covid 19
0-49 0.05% (3.7 times deadlier than flu)

50-64 0.2% (2.6 times deadlier)

65+ 1.3% (1.5 times deadlier)

What is interesting is that Covid 19, relatively speaking, is more deadly to younger people than to older, when compared to the flu. I would have thought it be the other way around. According to their estimates the Covid 19 is 1.5 times more deadly than the flu for people 65 or over, and 3.7 times more deadly for people younger than 50.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...18/archive.htm

I won't say this well but my guess is old folk already have so many other things that can kill them that something like CO-VID 19 doesn't actually increase their chances to die that much. They're already dying.

[Dollar Colonel]

Originally Posted by MrHT

https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci...ble-damage.amp

Now it seems like Dr. Fauci is in favor of reopening the economy. I don’t know; I could’ve sworn he originally wanted to keep the economy closed. This is why I am one of the few people that have a hard time taking this guy seriously. One day, he says one thing and then the next day, he says something else.

He's got the weight of the nation hanging on his every word. Presidents and generals have changed their minds with less pressure.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by bruceames

According to the CDC's website, they estimate the symptomatic fatality rate at 0.4%, and the flu at 0.136%. So Covid 19 would be three times deadlier.

By age group

Age Covid 19
0-49 0.05% (3.7 times deadlier than flu)

50-64 0.2% (2.6 times deadlier)

65+ 1.3% (1.5 times deadlier)

What is interesting is that Covid 19, relatively speaking, is more deadly to younger people than to older, when compared to the flu. I would have thought it be the other way around. According to their estimates the Covid 19 is 1.5 times more deadly than the flu for people 65 or over, and 3.7 times more deadly for people younger than 50.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...18/archive.htm

Interesting, but wouldn't that partly be because the flu itself is more deadly to older people than younger people, making the gap between the flu and COVD-19 less for older people? Younger people fight off the flu better, so the gap between that and COVID-19 is greater for younger people.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I won't say this well but my guess is old folk already have so many other things that can kill them that something like CO-VID 19 doesn't actually increase their chances to die that much. They're already dying.

You beat me to it. That's just what I was trying to say in my previous post. It doesn't mean it's less deadly to older people than younger people, it means more things like the flu are deadlier to older people.

[BucketheadPikes]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

I was saying staying closed too long would cause irreparable damage weeks ago.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious oh so long ago, nobody here would've known that if it weren't for you, so give yourself a pat on the back & we'll all pitch in & send you a box of cookies.

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024

The article of the title "Coronavirus: How Scare Should We Be?"

The first few paragraphs. All fear mongering words and sentences. Dug down in the article, a graph with a reality check.

A graph that shows that your risk of death is around or under 1% when catching Coronavirus up to the ages of 60 and tracking close to a "Normal" death rate on average. I don't know about you guys, but that says to me they're deliberately spreading fear over COVID-19. Also, why is it Police at least here in the UK don't wear masks, interact with other officers who obviously aren't of their own households, and members of the public, just like Supermarket workers and yet we haven't heard about deaths from them sectors at all in alarming numbers? Just health workers with inadequate PPE constantly exposed to the virus and contracting it consistently. That leads me to believe we're being lied to over the true risk this poses imo.

And that’s what happens when we seek out sources of information that feed into our preconceived mindsets. If anything you are supporting my comments regarding people reacting in different ways to information. I would encourage you to be more analytical. A more balanced approach, so that we can be in a position to recognise when a source is trying be sensationalist or just be informative, even when that information is unpalatable. I see a couple of folk here who swing from fear to confidence on a daily basis based on what they’ve just read or watched on tv/YouTube that particular day.

Here in Scotland supermarkets are doing a fair job at protecting their staff, plastic shielding at tills, face masks, gloves. And customers are adhering to the distancing and signage. That’s not to say there haven’t been some who haven’t caught it. Police will wear a mask depending on the situation, particularly if they are taking someone into custody, and if they have to come round to your house they will ask if you are self-isolating or showing symptoms. My OH is a nurse and worked in Covid wards, thankfully there haven’t been any PPE shortages at the hospital and neither she or none of her colleagues have become ill either (and she is tested every couple of weeks). Obviously I have no idea if we are being lied to, but I know cases are real, and I also know it’s a new virus and the people charged with finding solutions are figuring it out as they go along, and that will often lead to missteps, sometimes costly. But of course, each country will deal with it in own way, and often lead by politics.

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[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by bruceames

According to the CDC's website, they estimate the symptomatic fatality rate at 0.4%, and the flu at 0.136%. So Covid 19 would be three times deadlier.

By age group

Age Covid 19
0-49 0.05% (3.7 times deadlier than flu)

50-64 0.2% (2.6 times deadlier)

65+ 1.3% (1.5 times deadlier)

What is interesting is that Covid 19, relatively speaking, is more deadly to younger people than to older, when compared to the flu. I would have thought it be the other way around. According to their estimates the Covid 19 is 1.5 times more deadly than the flu for people 65 or over, and 3.7 times more deadly for people younger than 50.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...18/archive.htm

I look at percentages and i see less than 1% fatality rate and with an adjusted attitude we could have had more "normality" if we had guidance to try mitigate the risk by having people showing symptoms isolate for 2 weeks until all clear and physical distancing to help reduce transmission chances. The 3x or so on multiplier used gives a false impression of lethality. If 99% of people are usually fine on average, why jot just accept some people will die regardless of what you do? Just manage it as best as possible as we do for literally everything else.

Originally Posted by mar3o

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-...172847936.html

Well, there's no evidence masks apparently help mitigate COVID-19 that much either. That article stuff around N95 masks apparently making it spread particles was posted a while back too. Who knows whether it was true but they're putting stuff out there.

At some point, when will we stop viewing each other as walking disease transmitters and go back to normality? There's no physical activities we can do with friends, form relationships and so on. The mental health implications of all this are going to unfold if it keeps going too.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by BucketheadPikes

Thanks for pointing out the obvious oh so long ago, nobody here would've known that if it weren't for you, so give yourself a pat on the back & we'll all pitch in & send you a box of cookies.

...

I'd rather you send me a box of Aubrey Plaza...

[Pondosinatra]

...and in morning milestones...

Canada passes China for total number of Covid cases.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

...and in morning milestones...

Canada passes China for total number of Covid cases.

Assuming China’s numbers are truthful....

[Moe Szyslak]

Thought I'd pass this along. Seems like a pretty reasonable assessment.

From Camping To Dining Out: Here's How Experts Rate The Risks Of 14 Summer Activities
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...summer-activit

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Josep5349

Re Covid-19 and HIV, it’s not about the actual similarities / differences between the two. It’s about their impact on society. In Europe, North America and other countries, there hasn’t been such fear of a pandemic since HIV in the 80s.

Even though in the early days of aids there was a lot of misinformation about how easily it could be transmitted. The simple reality is that you could not catch HIV by going to a wedding (that is how Covid-19 spread to hundreds of Montrealer's early on), going to a dental conference (hundreds of people caught it that way in westerrn Canada)…

Also there are easy precautions against HIV/AIDS (a condom). The only real way to protect from covid-19 is not to be in vicinity of someone or something that has it. Yes people are hyping protective gear like visors and masks but the reality is they are not all that effective in protecting people. Last weekend I brought up that Quebec and Ontario asked the federal gouvernment for help with senior residences a few weeks ago and the military was sent in to help and 5 of them ended up catching it even though they have visors and proper masks. on Thursday the count was up to 28 https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b6891657e4b659

[CyberpunkCentral]

Is anyone losing or has lost their marbles during this pandemic. i began to question reality ever since the whole "evidence of aliens" reveal.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

You're right, but it's a lifelong condition requiring medicine and leaves you with a shortened life span even with the drugs now helping people live longer.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hiv-and-aids/causes/

Also, apologies but when has somebody caught Coronavirus having sex with dispersed droplets from a sneeze

Seriously though, in MOST cases, for particularly Younger age groups the symptoms are mild and they're highly resistant. It also doesn't leave you needing lifelong HIV drugs. So i ask again. WHY are they comparing Covid-19 to HIV if not to deliberately stoke fear? It doesn't make any logical sense and it goes against everything ethical to not educate people properly on the risks of Coronavirus with REALITY. That is that it can kill. Again, much like the flu but it can clear through the body completely and leave a possible immunity.

We've had Covid-19 officially since December 2019, so why has there NOT been any individuals tested and confirmed as having had a build of immunity in all the different areas we usually require?

Try to remember, that we also have similarities between COVID-19 and the common cold. Yet, we didn't go to these lengths for that. So my point is this whole thing stinks and reeks of an agenda somewhere or other with regards to the current narrative. We haven't been given a consistent and effective leadership in the UK, Europe or US imo and they're literally changing advice like the wind under the pretence of "It's an evolving situation" or similar phrases do downplay their responsibility.

I'm also left baffled by HOW a virus has ravaged the entire globe like this and there's a need for SERIOUS investigations to be done and people made accountable. However, just like 2008, i already see the signs on the wall. BBC spreading propaganda like "We'll probably never know what caused transmissions as the link from bats to humans" being an example. Convenient i think that they already ruled it out yet here we have hundreds of pharmaceutical solutions being worked on. So how come they can't find one link on how COVID-19 spread to humans but they're able to work up hundreds of different ways to try and stop it?

There is no conspiracies, it is just that you are not getting it.
there are almost 350k official deaths in a few months, which is only the tip of that iceberg.

It appears (for now) for some people this could be a big nothing but it is not just those two extremes

some people will need months of hospitalization
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ht/3114917001/

others can lose limbs
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...ions-1.5542217

there are many that don't require hospitalization but even then it does not necessarily mean a walk from the park and it can mean not feeling well for months (and possibly for ever)

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52548843

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by mar3o

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-...172847936.html

a face mask would be useless at a water park. A mask is 100% useless if damp and a damp surface can help the viruses survive longer.

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Is anyone losing or has lost their marbles during this pandemic. i began to question reality ever since the whole "evidence of aliens" reveal.

UFOS, not aliens.

[MazeRunner]

My Midwestern hick town had free testing and only 15% showed up to get tested. 2 people here tested positive before and were in self-isolation.

The numbers are definitely a small percentage of what they should be.


Anyway, I went shopping yesterday at all my stores (2 walmarts, Target, gamestop, barnes & noble, etc.) and only like 1/3 of people were wearing masks. So many people age 40+ not wearing masks.