Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[bruceames]

In a separate, unscientific survey of child care centers, Brown University economist Emily Oster found that, as of Tuesday afternoon, among 916 centers serving more than 20,000 children, just over 1% of staff and 0.16% of children were confirmed infected with the coronavirus.

The Y emphasized to NPR that its data is not comprehensive, and the availability of testing has varied across the country. But experts say it's worth taking these low numbers into account.


A Valley of the Sun YMCA staff member takes the temperature of a child before she enters child care.
Valley of the Sun YMCA
"There are almost no recorded cases of child-to-adult transmission of COVID-19," says Elliot Haspel, an education policy expert and child care advocate who wrote an op-ed arguing for reopening full-time child care and schools as soon as possible. "It's not zero risk, [but] we're acting with a March 2020 understanding of COVID-19 and kids, and not with a June 2020 understanding of COVID-19 and kids."

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/24/88231...ring-lockdowns

[CyberpunkCentral]

QUESTION: Does anyone know if there is social distance when you go and take the COVID-19 test?

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Yep - MrHT gets a bit of cabin fever than begins his chicken little the sky is falling diatribe.

Maybe we're being too harsh. He has to grasp at straws because one of the main reasons that's causing this spike is not allowed to be talked about.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by bruceames

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/24/88231...ring-lockdowns

all daycare in CT has been open the whole time. ours has had zero cases. we still havent sent our kids back but they have taken measure to ensure safety and cleaning etc which is good and CT was listed as the #1 state in the country with positive transmission as of last week...

so, all good signs

edit - #1 state meaning lowest transmissions....

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Maybe we're being too harsh. He has to grasp at straws because one of the main reasons that's causing this spike is not allowed to be talked about.

You should probably do some actual research if you think that.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I really wish you hadn't cherry picked what I wrote and quoted the whole paragraph, not just the part you wanted. I said:



See . . . that changes the whole context. It puts it in the proper prospective. Please don't do that with my posts again.

BTW - it will take at least 12 to 15 months from now to have developed a vaccine and distribute it to the population. No guarantees of being 100% effective either. There isn't a consumer based business on Planet Earth that can withstand doing no business for that length of time. As it is, with the restrictions placed on dine-in restaurants it is estimated that over 50% will permanently close within the next 3 to 5 months.

If you follow the news you see the resistance to another stimulus package. It took four months to go from a thriving economy to the worst Depression the USA has ever seen and like The Great Depression, it will take YEARS before the economy fully recovers.

I don't think most people realize what's in store for the U.S. economy in the upcoming decade with the truly mind-boggling amounts of debt at all levels (corporate, consumer, govt, etc.).

[BucketheadPikes]

Immunity is still uncertain, at least the duration of it. Could be weeks, could be months, could be years. We still don't know much at all about potential immunity. Could be is not a certainty.

Have you all seen those anti-mask protestors at that Palm Beach Commissioners meeting in Florida? Apparently, masks are the work of the devil, yeah, Satan himself. Bunch of quacks imo.

[bruceames]

Immunity is more than just the level of antibodies. Cellular memory also plays a big role.. Since the virus is so stable I think longer term immunity will depend more on the latter. Hopefully it'll be a couple of years at least. No one knows of course, but many scientists are optimistic that it'll be longer rather than shorter, due the stability of the virus.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bruceames

...I prefer to take the middle ground, not being fearful but still being very cautious and respectful of the rules set in place to protect us.

The new normal may be with us for years, so you may as well get used to living in it, and enjoying life's pleasures the best you can. You can't control what others do so no point in stressing over their behavior and just place your trust in the system (local Covid rules in place), that they know what they're doing and that their goal is to minimize the total damage from Covid and to the economy.

Bruce, problem is, a significant proportion of the population is not abiding by public health guidelines, i.e. mask wearing, social distancing. At this point, I’m in favor of the enforcement of fining people (like for smoking) for non-compliance with regards to wearing masks indoors and even outdoors when congregating closely within large groups and not wearing a mask. I guess these days the effect of 2nd hand smoke is considered more dangerous than corona virus transmission.

The thing is I know of no medical center in SoCal that doesn’t require mask wearing and temp. checks of patients and visitors at the entrance to the main hospital or outpatient buildings before the individual can enter and I’ve not heard of one complaint from said patients because treatment if far more important to them than a minor inconvenience. If some of the lay public in various localities won’t follow suit, then rather than ‘encouraging’ residents to be respectful of public health guidelines, then they should suffer some consequence like being fined for speeding or running a red light. Sure a lot of culprits, like speeders, will get away with poor behavior because law enforcement has limited time/resources for misdemeanors, but at least knowing that one could be caught may help cut down with the irresponsibility.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I don't think most people realize what's in store for the U.S. economy in the upcoming decade with the truly mind-boggling amounts of debt at all levels (corporate, consumer, govt, etc.).

so, annuity for my dough?

[Batman1980]

100% on board with fining people who go to establishments without a mask.

[Lee A Stewart]

Went to the doctor this morning which happens to be right across the street from one of the buffet restaurants (Linn's) we used to go to. Drove up to the front to see any news on reopening. Yep - there were two signs: Property For Lease. It went out of business.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

so, annuity for my dough?

I'm generally not a fan of annuities. But, I think we are headed for a major dollar crash at some point and some serious inflation. So for me, international equities and precious metals (including miners) but depends on your age, investment goals, etc. Although I still like having some U.S. I'm a longer term, buy and hold investor with 20 years before retirement. I like a like a lot of Jack Bogle's stuff (especially on indexing and low fees) although I don't see eye to eye with him on some things.

[Batman1980]

I don't see most restaurants that rely mainly on a buffet style income re-opening anytime soon.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

Los Angeles has 88,500 cases and now leads the nation.

We're number one! We're number one!

Not much to be proud about ...
I know I know it was said in Hollywood humor style.

By the way Brazil's number is down today (deaths).

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Immunity is more than just the level of antibodies. Cellular memory also plays a big role.. Since the virus is so stable I think longer term immunity will depend more on the latter. Hopefully it'll be a couple of years at least. No one knows of course, but many scientists are optimistic that it'll be longer rather than shorter, due the stability of the virus.

Is it really stable? I thought the virus changed strains when it passed on from China to Europe?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

I'll agree that things are returning to normal when we can get through 1 day without thousands of new cases.

...Or over couple thousand deaths. ...USA alone (today).

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Is it really stable? I thought the virus changed strains when it passed on from China to Europe?

That's what they keep saying. I really don't know anymore if the virus mutated from China to Europe/US. There was talk about that in March or April, but really don't know if it actually was the case or not.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...owly-good.html

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by MrHT

The length of the pandemic is determined by what we do.

We sure can slow it down. But we cannot stop what can't be stopped (coming).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1U3...ature=youtu.be

By the way I watched this earlier ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KSL...ature=youtu.be

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by MrHT

60-70% herd immunity will require A LOT of deaths; a number that I don't even want to fathom. Sorry, I pick social distancing, wearing a mask, and most importantly.... be smart.

70% of the global population infected; that's a fair scientific estimate.
Yes, few million deaths, no doubt. But not only that; many infected people will get weaker as Coronavirus makes some serious internal damages in humans.
Brief we will lose more and more our autonomy, independence, freedom, stamina and physical and mental health, mostly. The economy? That too, and no matter how the stock markets are doing and the price of oil, gold and diamonds.

We're in a different world than the one we were back in 2019 and before it.

That's just my opinion, and we all know what an opinion looks like ... we all have one.