Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I like that video of Dr. Fauci that Penton posted just above, couple hours ago.

Tony was quite diplomatic, for example, given the impending situation in Arizona and to alert residents there as to the seriousness of the pandemic there, during the press conference, he could have explained what can happen to the quality of care at an overloaded medical facility when it enters the phase of crisis standard of care. Some physicians in some hot spots there are already quite concerned if the situation gets out of hand.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

It’s largely about people of certain way of thinking trying to force everyone to comply basically. This virus (like many other things currently ) is just being used to promote a certain way of thinking.

“If you don’t do what we say it is because you’re a bigot, selfish, lacking in empathy... etc...)

I disagree, it’s simply a matter of public health and if irresponsible people can’t accept that, then like with smoking indoors and the effects of secondhand smoke on others or drinking while driving and the related potential hazard to others while intoxicated, there should be a mandate to keep innocents safe.

The outrage and indifference to a minor inconvenience like wearing a mask for the sake of public health is ludicrous when it such a little ‘ask’. Out of respect for others, Asian cultures have been mask wearing when conditions prompted it long before the corona virus pandemic. Even the youngins like 3rd and 4th year med students don a mask during their surgery rotations without whining, even though in some cases they stand for hours applying hemostats and such.

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

Not to mention that a huge chunk of the people that are most at risk are at an increased risk because they haven’t taken their own health seriously... Therefore developing a longer list Of underlying conditions. Having a society where people are not even being responsible for their own health is a problem.

Actually, CDC guidelines were just recently tweaked this past week to place age at the forefront of consideration - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...er-adults.html, rather than emphasizing comorbidities so much like in past.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433b...ature=youtu.be

Florida

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I disagree, it’s simply a matter of public health and if irresponsible people can’t accept that, then like with smoking indoors and the effects of secondhand smoke on others or drinking while driving and the related potential hazard to others while intoxicated, there should be a mandate to keep innocents safe.

The outrage and indifference to a minor inconvenience like wearing a mask for the sake of public health is ludicrous when it such a little ‘ask’. Out of respect for others, Asian cultures have been mask wearing when conditions prompted it long before the corona virus pandemic. Even the youngins like 3rd and 4th year med students don a mask during their surgery rotations without whining, even though in some cases they stand for hours applying hemostats and such.

Actually, CDC guidelines were just recently tweaked this past week to place age at the forefront of consideration - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...er-adults.html, rather than emphasizing comorbidities so much like in past.

The CDC has said lots of things. One day it is this... The next day it is that. The day after that it moght be the opposite.

The CDC has a history of being inept, and I’m not sure they are reliable.

This about more than “public health”.

The virus took a backseat (while the riots have taken place) for the last month. It has been okay to go out or whatever the last month.

Now, you have a law in Oregon where some people are required to wear masks and some are not. So, I’m not buying it.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by deckard82

Our reproduction rate went from 2.88 to 0.59 within 5 days. Hmmmm....

That is very very good. You want to be below 1

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

The CDC has said lots of things. One day it is this... The next day it is that. The day after that it moght be the opposite.

The CDC has a history of being inept, and I’m not sure they are reliable.

This about more than “public health”.

The virus took a backseat (while the riots have taken place) for the last month. It has been okay to go out or whatever the last month.

Now, you have a law in Oregon where some people are required to wear masks and some are not. So, I’m not buying it.

Well said and spot on. I agree.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by chip75

So you have to enter a business you can't do business with at that time if they're full. How hard is it to have an appointment book like every other beauty salon on the planet?

You ring for an appointment then wait outside. Entering the premises to fill out your details is madness.

Well I got my haircut this morning. The damn guy raised his price from $20 to $24. This is madness!!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

The CDC has said lots of things. One day it is this... The next day it is that. The day after that it moght be the opposite.

The CDC has a history of being inept, and I’m not sure they are reliable.

This about more than “public health”.

The virus took a backseat (while the riots have taken place) for the last month. It has been okay to go out or whatever the last month.

Now, you have a law in Oregon where some people are required to wear masks and some are not. So, I’m not buying it.

No taking issue with comments regarding secondhand smoke or DUI and public health?

The point is, it’s troubling that the end of your last post mocked people for not taking their own health seriously (as if they deserve what they get if they are infected with coronavirus) -

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

....Not to mention that a huge chunk of the people that are most at risk are at an increased risk because they haven’t taken their own health seriously... Therefore developing a longer list Of underlying conditions. Having a society where people are not even being responsible for their own health is a problem.

when in fact many of the comorbidities have nothing to do with people being irresponsible with their pre-COVID-19 personal health - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...onditions.html

Even with commonalities like hypertension and Type II diabetes, there is often a genetic component to being predisposed to them which manifests itself as people age and there is no personal negligence involved. And I truly feel sorry for those, no matter how hard they try, when they get older as their metabolism slows, they just can’t avoid gaining weight. As to the CDC, it’s good that the CDC has brought more awareness to the age element in and of itself, regardless of what you perceive as prior missteps.

[deckard82]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

That is very very good. You want to be below 1

Oh, I know. It just goes to show how quickly things can be turned around with the right response. And what could have happened without the right response to the recent clusters.

[LordoftheRings]

Couple Coronavirus facts (stats) ... global:

Six months ago (December 27, 2019) -> Zero cases, zero deaths (including USA).
Six months later today (June 27, 2020) -> 10 million+ cases, half million+ deaths (US alone, almost 130K).
¤ https://covid19info.live/

How accurate are those numbers? Your guess is as good as mine, plus or minus?
For anyone who keep track with the world news those numbers might actually be much higher.
...Way way more infected cases globally...perhaps more that one hundred million.
And more deaths globally too...perhaps 30%+ more deaths than the number given.

Question: In six months from today (December 27, 2020) where will we be?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by deckard82

Oh, I know. It just goes to show how quickly things can be turned around with the right response. And what could have happened without the right response to the recent clusters.

Exponentially true.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

you know what they say, if you don’t have a proof pic to show, e.g. - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post14982129
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...p#post16844182

it never happened.

post a pic of you not watching movies and being outdoorsy on your island! If we can’t get back to B.C. in the near future due to the corona pandemic, at least I can live vicariously for a moment thru your Vancouver Island pic.

Someday Penton I will post few pics, in time ...
Right now it's not very important ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrB9...ature=youtu.be

* Just imagine the world around is a trillion times more beautiful than in words I use and you get a clearer picture (HDR, HFR, HLG, DV, 32K, 3D ...). And live is best.

[rocknblues81]

[quote=Penton-Man;17794772]No taking issue with comments regarding secondhand smoke or DUI and public health?[\quote]

Smoking is a habit in which one can control to some degree.

Again, coronaviruses are always going to exist, but society accepts that there are consequences to freedom. You can’t always have it both ways. I mean, why not demand people wear face masks from here on out? There will be more cornaviruses that emerge?

It seems at this point that a lot people want a full blown nanny state (which exceptions being on wedge issues that benefit certain people).

I mean, where does it end? It’s likely to be a seasonal virus that is here for the long term.



[quote]The point is, it’s troubling that the end of your last post mocked people for not taking their own health seriously (as if they deserve what they get if they are infected with coronavirus) -[\quote]

[quote][b]Originally Posted by rocknblues81 View Post
....Not to mention that a huge chunk of the people that are most at risk are at an increased risk because they haven’t taken their own health seriously... Therefore developing a longer list Of underlying conditions. Having a society where people are not even being responsible for their own health is a problem.[\b][\quote]

Where is the mockery tone or anything?

I was mocking in the jayman post, but not here.

This is largely an unhealthy nation, and that is well known.

[quote]when in fact many of the comorbidities have nothing to do with people being irresponsible with their pre-COVID-19 personal health - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...onditions.html[\quote]

I didn’t say all. I said a chunk.

Even with commonalities like hypertension and Type II diabetes, there is often a genetic component to being predisposed to them which manifests itself as people age and there is no personal negligence involved. And I truly feel sorry for those, no matter how hard they try, when they get older as their metabolism slows, they just can’t avoid gaining weight. As to the CDC, it’s good that the CDC has brought more awareness to the age element in and of itself, regardless of what you perceive as prior missteps.

Sure there is often a genetic component, but things like type 2 diabetes can easily be controlled in most cases. If you maintain a good lifestyle. Yes, I have a family history of diabetes.

The average person has vitamin deficiencies. Vitamin D, potassium and other things. Just look at the standard American diet where 300 or 400 carbs a day is considered normal.

It’s not like you’re hopeless to just taking your Metformin. It can be controlled.

I don’t care what the CDC says about it. I have a family history of diabetes and mine was almost as bad as you can get.80% of it was my fault for being an idiot from not taking my health as seriously as I do now. I know what it takes.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Tony was quite diplomatic, for example, given the impending situation in Arizona and to alert residents there as to the seriousness of the pandemic there, during the press conference, he could have explained what can happen to the quality of care at an overloaded medical facility when it enters the phase of crisis standard of care. Some physicians in some hot spots there are already quite concerned if the situation gets out of hand.

He has to, that's part of his job, plus if he doesn't want to get fired.

I was reading earlier why all the protests didn't get more Coronavirus spreading.
Because everyone else stayed home.
• https://nationalpost.com/news/why-di...study-suggests

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Couple Coronavirus facts (stats) ... global:

Six months ago (December 27, 2019) -> Zero cases, zero deaths (including USA).
Six months later today (June 27, 2020) -> 10 million+ cases, half million deaths (US alone, almost 130K).

How accurate are those numbers? Your guess is as good as mine.

Question: In six months from today (December 27, 2020) where will we be?

20 million+ cases, 1 million deaths with 250,000 in the USA. There is nothing on the immediate horizon that will reduce cases/deaths. The only things that work are S-I-P, social distancing and wearing a mask. That's how they beat the 1918 Spanish Flu.

[LordoftheRings]

Tobacco smoking (nicotine) is an addiction, a killer, a grandiose health issue highly toxic and highly deadly. ...Created by the big tobacco corporations, industries, manufacturers, advertisers, ... Amazing they sell deaths in a world of health concerns.

What is new today with eating bats and rats?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

20 million+ cases, 1 million deaths with 250,000 in the USA. There is nothing on the immediate horizon that will reduce cases/deaths. The only things that work are S-I-P, social distancing and wearing a mask. That's how they beat the 1918 Spanish Flu.

Lee, you quoted me before I edited my original post and before I read your post.

• You say 20 million cases globally, I say 100 million cases.

• You say 1 million deaths globally, I say 650,000 deaths Coronavirus related but it could be three times that number...roughly 2 million deaths. It's impossible to know exactly how much higher those numbers are because some countries they hide them and others they fudge them and others they just won't say and others they missed many outside of their very limited restricted conventional count and parameters and sectors and jurisdictions and all the untested, uncounted, unaccounted, without autopsies, without symptoms, forgotten, in the streets, in the fields, in the basements, underground, under the bridges, in homes of the very poor ...

• In the US alone you say 250,000 deaths, I say 170,000 deaths, as of today. But again, I don't know all the poor areas in America. I only visited quickly the east and west coast stopping here and there along the way shortly.

Mexico and Central America there I know more because I stayed longer, I lived in some areas. I've seen a lot of poor people but beautiful people in their heart, in the mountains with the Indians. ...In villages, with families...we lived with.

California I've been, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Montana, Florida, New York, Seattle, ...
Canada, I've been there too, living there, mostly there, mainly there, ... there's good and bad like anywhere else, it's just that we are less in population compared to America.
...38 million versus 331 million.

India and China have bigger populations...1.380 billion and 1.444 billion respectively.

Who's the richest man in the world?

[Chaotic]

Outside at a restaurant and everyone is spaced out. Colorado is doing a good obeying the rules.

[Lee A Stewart]

You posed this question:

Question: In six months from today (December 27, 2020) where will we be?

I gave you my prognostication using your numbers.

We are between a rock and a hard place. To fight the pandemic people need to S-I-P, social distance themselves and wear masks when around others. Of late I have seen very little compliance. States need revenue. They have to open their economies. The Fed isn't going to cover their budget shortfalls. They have relied on small business to help carry their load - that help is disappearing quickly.

We have two big events here in ABQ: Balloon Fiesta and the State Fair. Both have been cancelled. There are literally thousands of mom and pop businesses that depend on them. They will not survive. Restaurants are designed for max capacity not 50%. Very few will survive.

I remember visiting some family who lived in Monticello, NY (upstate) about 10 years ago. Driving down main street, of the 100 businesses there maybe 10 were still open. Two of them were banks. All the others had For Sale or For Lease signs on them. People didn't want to live there anymore. I also remember visiting Monticello back in 1968 when all businesses on main street were open and thriving.

When businesses begin to close due to lack of sales it becomes a downward spiral. People don't want to shop in areas like that. It's very depressing.

How can we accommodate fighting a pandemic and at the same time supporting our local businesses? I sure don't have the answer.

[Batman1980]

If you leave your house wear a mask. It's really that simple.