Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I think a big problem is that people from different households are dining together, and then they talk to each other without masks face to face. Not much can be done in that situation. Even if they have to wear a mask while waiting for food, they'll be talking and eating without the masks anyway.

Our restaurant relies on tourism, as in we get customers from all over the place. Guessing 60-70% of our customers come from out-of-state and even some from out-of-country. We're breaking quite a few rules there but we probably couldn't afford to stay open otherwise.

We probably do do more to sanitize and keep the restaurant safe than most restaurants do but I'd be 0% surprised if today's gubernatorial update is restaurants are closing again. Or that restaurants are closing again if the numbers after 4th of July are bad. I see a few of our highly populated areas are spiking, that's not going to help the argument to keep restaurants in business.

[Lee A Stewart]

Went to the doctors today. LOL - waited 75 minutes for a 5 minute consultation. I am in tip top shape. Now will go once a month instead of once a week.

On our way home we stopped to eat at the only Burger King we know of that has dine-in service. First time eating out since February. You place your order, you tell them what you want to drink (soda fountain is closed), no tray just a bag with napkins and ketchup packs.

Green sign on a table means table and chairs have been cleaned, red sign, not cleaned, do not sit there. When finishing, turn green sign over to red and leave on table top.

[bruceames]

Arizona and Georgia blowing up. Arizona fixing to join the 5,000 and up club, while Georgia a step below at 3,000 +.

It took a while for Georgia. So long it makes me believe that the case are not coming so much from reopened businesses (other than bars and indoor dining, that is), but by people mingling and socializing more. Family and social ties are strong and there is pent up demand to reconnect and masks and social distancing are just awkward for most people in that situation.

[MrHT]

So glad the warm weather is helping to slow the spread of the Coronavirus...

More than 30 states increasing in cases!! My goodness!

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by MrHT

So glad the warm weather is helping to slow the spread of the Coronavirus...

Yeah, ironically it could be doing the reverse. Since covid is essentially 99.9% caught indoors, most places have A/C in the summer, especially in warm climates, such as the South. The A/C lowers the humidity in the air, making droplets travel further, and it gets more people indoors too, away from the stifling heat outside.

I've lived in Houston for 7 years and that place has horrible heat and humidity in the summertime and all I wanted was to be indoors with the A/C running 24/7.

[bruceames]

U.S. just passed 50,000 cases today for the first time.

At least deaths are still trending down, gotta cling to something positive. But don't think that will last long since cases have only been spikes for two weeks and deaths lag by about 3 weeks.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

what can happen to the quality of care at an overloaded medical facility when it enters the phase of crisis standard of care.

@3:30 timestamp -

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[veritas]

Originally Posted by bruceames

Arizona and Georgia blowing up. Arizona fixing to join the 5,000 and up club, while Georgia a step below at 3,000 +.

It took a while for Georgia. So long it makes me believe that the case are not coming so much from reopened businesses (other than bars and indoor dining, that is), but by people mingling and socializing more. Family and social ties are strong and there is pent up demand to reconnect and masks and social distancing are just awkward for most people in that situation.

I have seen reports that basically theorize that a large number of corona virus cases spread from super spreader events. At low numbers that means you may have very minimal growth as the odds of a super spreader event are low but over time or as your numbers increase the odds of a super spreader event also increase. Its why contact tracing and maintaining a small outbreaks has been so effective in countries like south korea but your absolutely doomed trying to contain the virus when levels get out of control.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by veritas

I have seen reports that basically theorize that a large number of corona virus cases spread from super spreader events. At low numbers that means you may have very minimal growth as the odds of a super spreader event are low but over time or as your numbers increase the odds of a super spreader event also increase. Its why contact tracing and maintaining a small outbreaks has been so effective in countries like south korea but your absolutely doomed trying to contain the virus when levels get out of control.

Not necessarily. NY was out of control back in April, but with contact tracing, aggressive testing, wearing masks and not reopening too quickly, we got cases down to a controllable level. Yes, the impossible can be done. So if these states want to start doing something about these rapid outbreaks, NOW is the time do so...

[veritas]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Not necessarily. NY was out of control back in April, but with contact tracing, aggressive testing, wearing masks and not reopening too quickly, we got cases down to a controllable level. Yes, the impossible can be done. So if these states want to start doing something about these rapid outbreaks, NOW is the time do so...

When I said doomed I meant it more from the stand point of a country that is not willing to do a lock down again. you aren't going to be able to contact trace 50k cases a day (well you could but it means basically hiring like 2 milion people to contact trace and effectively doing the equivalent of a lock down anyway since so many will have possible exposure.)

[bruceames]

I think New York cases went down mostly because they burned out. All the high risk areas got high concentrations of infections, which dropped the infection rate dramatically. This is going happen in these current hot spots as well. The high risk zones will burn out. The faster and higher it rises, the faster it will fall.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by bruceames

U.S. just passed 50,000 cases today for the first time.

51,000+

Globally: 197,000 new cases ... a new record high.

* The Americas: 258,000 deaths plus. That's our continent, many of us here.
That's 50% of all global deaths (520,000).

I think many people (young) still don't realise how bad this is and how it won't get better till another 100,000 die in North America. We are @ square one, even below. Mom she's 85, she is not scared, she just doesn't take chances...she hang on to her flowers on her condo's balcony. She sent me photos...I cried...and I'm only 65.
It's a very very sad situation. It's better to fight someone we can see than this.

I spend more time listening to music, it helps, me.
Playing too ...

[mar3o]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exper...b6acab284ab589

Experts Beg Americans To Take Coronavirus Seriously Or Face Further Disaster

“I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 cases a day if this does not turn around,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, said Tuesday.

Earlier this week, a high-ranking official at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a stunning warning that, in the emerging second spike of coronavirus infections, it was essentially too late to test and isolate cases. “We have way too much virus across the country for that right now,” said Dr. Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the CDC, on Monday.

“This is really the beginning,” Schuchat said of the recent U.S. surge. “I think there was a lot of wishful thinking around the country that, hey, it’s summer, everything’s going to be fine, we’re over this. And we are not even beginning to be over this. There are a lot of worrisome factors about the last week or so.”

[ctujackbauer]

Gov. Newsom today shut down all restaurants in the southern California area, along with a bunch of other places. They were open for like 3 weeks.

Two-thirds of the people working are under the age of 50.

I'm now in the 'coronavirus is here, get over it' camp. We're going to have to live with this for a while, let people work if they want to. Must be nice to be "essential". Must be nice to not have to worry about foreclosure or eviction while The State decides who gets to keep working.

[Batman1980]

he governor and top health officials gave a grim update Wednesday about the coronavirus in the state, adding we’re in real danger of moving backward like other states that have had to shut down businesses again because of a spike in cases.

The next phase of reopening the state will be on hold for at least the next two weeks while officials work to review more data. “Any businesses that have not been allowed to reopen are not going to get to open,” Gov. Lujan Grisham said.

Through July 15, all restrictions and occupancy limits remain in place, and there is a mandatory 14-day quarantine for all out-of-state visitors who fly or drive. Also today, mandatory masks will be strongly enforced in the state, or violators will be given a $100 fine.

Human Services Secretary Dr. David Scrase said he’s concerned that for the first time, there’s a boost in cases in every region of the state. He’s reminding people not to travel, if possible, with about 10-percent of total positive cases being New Mexicans who have traveled out of state. Another 9 percent of cases are coming from people who have traveled from out of state, he added. “I don’t think there’s anywhere you could fly nonstop to that doesn’t have a rapidly increasing number of cases,” Dr. Scrase explained.

Source - KRQE.com

She thinks it's bad now, wait till she sees the numbers in 2 weeks after people have their idiot parties.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

Gov. Newsom today shut down all restaurants in the southern California area, along with a bunch of other places. They were open for like 3 weeks.

Two-thirds of the people working are under the age of 50.

I'm now in the 'coronavirus is here, get over it' camp. We're going to have to live with this for a while, let people work if they want to. Must be nice to be "essential". Must be nice to not have to worry about foreclosure or eviction while The State decides who gets to keep working.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post17702050
it’s a job - http://www.ajilon.com/error.html
and there will likely be more of the same

I think Hopkins has a free (online) training course that can be completed rather quickly.

here -
https://www.coursera.org/learn/covid...ontact-tracing

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post17702050
it’s a job - http://www.ajilon.com/error.html
and there will likely be more of the same

I think Hopkins has a free (online) training course that can be completed rather quickly.

here -
https://www.coursera.org/learn/covid...ontact-tracing

Penton, while I appreciate the help, I wasn't talking about my situation, more towards friends and others affected. This shut it down, then open it up, shut it down - is completely ineffective.

We shut down for 3 months. What good did that do, its spreading like wildfire again.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Happy Canada Day!



Thank you.

I've heard fireworks about half hour ago across the water.
More is coming up ...

HCD!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

Penton, while I appreciate the help, I wasn't talking about my situation, more towards friends and others affected. This shut it down, then open it up, shut it down - is completely ineffective.

We shut down for 3 months. What good did that do, its spreading like wildfire again.

People need self-distancing and wearing masks. By not doing so not only they kill people but they also kill businesses, the economy. They work in tandem...health and economy.
Can't separate them, and we need some bright minds with good planning and smart advice.

I'm afraid that July is going to be no better than June. In a realistic objective scientific factual as a matter of fact point of view. Not as a pessimistic subjective delusional subversive analysis coming up from a hopeless dream for sale based on false optimism.

We've all seen many videos, read many stats, ...everyone should well know the score by now. This thing is going nowhere but widening exponentially and destroying lives.
The expert scientists are quite clear, and are very diplomat about it. But they have to tell the truth like it is or things will get even worse.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

Penton, while I appreciate the help, I wasn't talking about my situation, more towards friends and others affected. This shut it down, then open it up, shut it down - is completely ineffective.

We shut down for 3 months. What good did that do, its spreading like wildfire again.

But the mistakes most of these states did was reopen 100% and go back to the way life was. When businesses reopened, they should have enforced social distancing and wearing masks.

Here in NY, people are on line outside waiting to get into stores because there's a capacity limit to enforce social distancing. And almost all businesses require a mask or no entry. This sucks, I know. But it's what's needed to be done to prevent such a wildfire spread!