Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Lacit170]

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

"A study published Friday in the journal Cell suggests that everyone who gets COVID-19 — even people with mild or asymptomatic cases — develops T cells that can hunt down the coronavirus if they get exposed again later."

"The authors of the new study examined blood from 206 people in Sweden who had COVID-19 with varying degrees of severity. They found that regardless of whether a person had recovered from a mild or severe case, they still developed a robust T-cell response. Even coronavirus patients who did not test positive for antibodies developed memory T cells, the results showed.

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called T-cell studies like this one "good news."

"Both of those previous studies yielded a more surprising finding as well: Many people who've never gotten COVID-19 seem to have memory T cells that can recognize the new coronavirus."

"The likeliest explanation for these findings is a phenomenon called cross-reactivity: when T cells developed in response to another virus react to a similar but previously unknown pathogen. In this case, experts think these cross-reactive T cells likely come from previous exposure to other coronaviruses — those that cause common colds."

https://www.businessinsider.com/long...t-cells-2020-8

[veritas]

I would say around the majority of people are wearing masks more often now but we have a fire and the air quality is at around 200 right now and 90% are not wearing masks outside probably. The smart ones are staying inside but not even toxic unhealthy air is going to stop the dumb ones I guess.

Its just crazy to me to see a guy walking with a mask on his chin with an aqi of 200 that should be physically painful to breath and hes choosing to breath this stuff in.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by veritas

I would say around the majority of people are wearing masks more often now but we have a fire and the air quality is at around 200 right now and 90% are not wearing masks outside probably. The smart ones are staying inside but not even toxic unhealthy air is going to stop the dumb ones I guess.

Its just crazy to me to see a guy walking with a mask on his chin with an aqi of 200 that should be physically painful to breath and hes choosing to breath this stuff in.

[Batman1980]

Almost 2,000 K-12 students in Mississippi have been quarantined in the state due to possible exposure to Covid-19, according to the state's department of health https://www.cnn.com/webview/world/li...892dd64213a528

Source - CNN on Twitter

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

"A study published Friday in the journal Cell suggests that everyone who gets COVID-19 — even people with mild or asymptomatic cases — develops T cells that can hunt down the coronavirus if they get exposed again later."

"The authors of the new study examined blood from 206 people in Sweden who had COVID-19 with varying degrees of severity. They found that regardless of whether a person had recovered from a mild or severe case, they still developed a robust T-cell response. Even coronavirus patients who did not test positive for antibodies developed memory T cells, the results showed.

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called T-cell studies like this one "good news."

"Both of those previous studies yielded a more surprising finding as well: Many people who've never gotten COVID-19 seem to have memory T cells that can recognize the new coronavirus."

"The likeliest explanation for these findings is a phenomenon called cross-reactivity: when T cells developed in response to another virus react to a similar but previously unknown pathogen. In this case, experts think these cross-reactive T cells likely come from previous exposure to other coronaviruses — those that cause common colds."

https://www.businessinsider.com/long...t-cells-2020-8

So why am I hearing on the news about people getting reinfected? Why didn't those people develop immunity?

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by MrHT

So why am I hearing on the news about people getting reinfected? Why didn't those people develop immunity?

Some articles have been saying for months that they suspect traces of the dead virus in your body can trigger a positive test. So even though they recovered, there are traces of the dead virus still inside that trigger a positive reading if tested again. They didn't actually catch it again - the dead virus is triggering a false positive.

We need better tests. And there's still a ton we don't know yet about this virus.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Some articles have been saying for months that they suspect traces of the dead virus in your body can trigger a positive test. So even though they recovered, there are traces of the dead virus still inside that trigger a positive reading if tested again. They didn't actually catch it again - the dead virus is triggering a false positive.

We need better tests. And there's still a ton we don't know yet about this virus.

Well that's great news. That gives us some hope that this nightmare will actually end one day.

[Pondosinatra]

So Covid is now because of 'Systemic Racism'.

According to an article on a popular news website.

Obviously can't expand upon that at all here but I will point out - one minority group in the chart is doing exceptionally well at handling Covid, a fact which is glossed over in the article for some reason (doesn't fit the narrative I guess).

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

So Covid is now because of 'Systemic Racism'.

According to an article on a popular news website.

Obviously can't expand upon that at all here but I will point out - one minority group in the chart is doing exceptionally well at handling Covid, a fact which is glossed over in the article for some reason (doesn't fit the narrative I guess).

i'm at a loss of words over that article.... I'll just leave it at that

[Lee A Stewart]

'Silent spreaders’: Evidence grows that children may play a larger role in transmission than once believed

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...?ocid=msedgntp

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

'Silent spreaders’: Evidence grows that children may play a larger role in transmission than once believed

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...?ocid=msedgntp

We'll find out soon. Think the little kidlets are going back to school soon in Alberta.

[deckard82]

I think it's too early to say that people who had the virus once develop long-term immunity. A good t-cell response would be swell. But so much is still unknown when it comes to that, same goes for antibodies. Patient Zero over here for example didn't have any antibodies anymore after just 3 months.

[dublinbluray108]

BREAKING:

CNN has just reported that a 6 year old girl from Hillsborough County; Florida has died from Covid-19.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/21/h...ath/index.html

May she R.I.P.

[bruceames]

7 day rolling average for cases, as of 8-21, is at 45,222, down 16.1% from last week, and down 34.7% from the peak of 69,328 on 7-25. Making really good progress.





Deaths are still near their peak because of the lag, but there has been a slight drop. Now at 1022, down 4.4% from last week, and 12.6% from a peak of 1169 on 8-1. The decline should start to accelerate some next week.

[MrHT]

Oh man. I just heard the news that three gyms in my neighborhood (one of which I am a member of) have closed permanently due to the heavy hit from their prolonged closures. This exactly what I’ve been saying here. Keep businesses closed for too long and they will be forced to shut down!

[Pondosinatra]

Just passed 800,000 global deaths...

[chip75]

Not sure if it's been prominent before but I noticed that the BBC now have a little bit of text after the daily/weekly death numbers, words to the effect of, "deaths are included if a person dies within 28 days of testing positive". I remember people complaining about the numbers because people were being added if they deaths were related to underlining conditions and they were positive for the virus (so they had a heart attack it was a listed as a coranavirus death), but the new disclaimer? isn't that dangerously disingenuous?

With parameters like that you could get hit by a number 32 bus and get killed by number 19 at the same time. Perhaps I'm reading to much into it ...

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Also the holidaymakers in Croatia, rushing home from a "hotspot" before quarantine measures are put in place. Grown adults giving absolute zero shits for their fellow countrymen and women, not sure why they were told in advance. I understand people want a break and they want to get home, but they all knew that they may be faced with restrictions coming back.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

We now have the best evidence yet that everyone develops long-term coronavirus immunity after infection — and it's not just about antibodies

"A study published Friday in the journal Cell suggests that everyone who gets COVID-19 — even people with mild or asymptomatic cases — develops T cells that can hunt down the coronavirus if they get exposed again later."

"The authors of the new study examined blood from 206 people in Sweden who had COVID-19 with varying degrees of severity. They found that regardless of whether a person had recovered from a mild or severe case, they still developed a robust T-cell response. Even coronavirus patients who did not test positive for antibodies developed memory T cells, the results showed.

Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called T-cell studies like this one "good news."

"Both of those previous studies yielded a more surprising finding as well: Many people who've never gotten COVID-19 seem to have memory T cells that can recognize the new coronavirus."

"The likeliest explanation for these findings is a phenomenon called cross-reactivity: when T cells developed in response to another virus react to a similar but previously unknown pathogen. In this case, experts think these cross-reactive T cells likely come from previous exposure to other coronaviruses — those that cause common colds."

https://www.businessinsider.com/long...t-cells-2020-8

the problem with that article is that it is contradictory.
If people that have never had covid-19 already have t-cells that are good at fighting Covid-19 this thread and this situation would not exist. People would not be dying of covid-19 and people would not be getting sick with covid-19

either them finding t-cells that fight covid-19 in people that have never had it is wrong (and so questions their whole methodology) or their conclusion that those t-cells are enough is wrong.

Originally Posted by MrHT

So why am I hearing on the news about people getting reinfected? Why didn't those people develop immunity?

Originally Posted by mar3o

Some articles have been saying for months that they suspect traces of the dead virus in your body can trigger a positive test. So even though they recovered, there are traces of the dead virus still inside that trigger a positive reading if tested again. They didn't actually catch it again - the dead virus is triggering a false positive.

We need better tests. And there's still a ton we don't know yet about this virus.

reality and hopefullness means that they are seen as anecdotal and not proof

The issue as mar3o pointed out is that no one can say how long immunity lasts even if there are anecdotal cases of people getting re-infected.

1) reality is:

a) some people will be asymptotic
b) some people will feel sick and get better
c) some people feel sick for a very long time
d) some people say it comes and goes

Until proven other wise the medical field is assuming that these people caught it, had it for a week or two and then got better.

2) reality is:
a covid-19 test is not absolute, it looks for some pieces of RNA (RNA is like DNA but for viruses). That RNA might not be found because the swab (or spit with the new spit tests) might not have enough of those pieces to show positive if someone is infected. It can also have false positives (for example pieces of dead virus still floating around your system after you get better.)

that is why the CDC said that people that tested positive once should not get tested (even if they fill sick again) for at least 3 months.

so if a test could be useless (i.e. falls positive and the guy just has alergies, something else) it is impossible to prove he caught it again because the test might come back positive either way.

add 2) to 1) and it makes it impossible to know if someone is re-infected or he falls in one of the definitions of long-hauler (i.e. 3-4) (even if you eliminate all other causes.

the issue is any spit or swab test would need to work based on virus RNA fragments and so will never be precise enough to say "today this person is 100% OK" and so will never work if the immunity length is too short.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by chip75

Not sure if it's been prominent before but I noticed that the BBC now have a little bit of text after the daily/weekly death numbers, words to the effect of, "deaths are included if a person dies within 28 days of testing positive". I remember people complaining about the numbers because people were being added if they deaths were related to underlining conditions and they were positive for the virus (so they had a heart attack it was a listed as a coranavirus death), but the new disclaimer? isn't that dangerously disingenuous?

With parameters like that you could get hit by a number 32 bus and get killed by number 19 at the same time. Perhaps I'm reading to much into it ...

Yes you are. Many diseases have long term effects. Take polio for example
https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-po...f%20the%20body).

Even children who seem to fully recover can develop new muscle pain, weakness, or paralysis as adults, 15 to 40 years later. This is called post-polio syndrome.

do you think if someone catches covid-19, gets heart damage because of it and 20 days later dies of the heart damage caused by covid-19 that we should turn a blind eye to it? No body will blame a bus accident on covid-19 (unless there is undeniable proof that brain damage caused by covid-19 causes people to jump in front of busses)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Yes you are. Many diseases have long term effects.

Perhaps I am, but the way they worded it was just odd (and felt like it was open to interpretation). We've already discussed long term issues of the virus.

Deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test.