Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

When I made previous post about the apparent drop in clusters in NYC. I have just read this article about a super spreader sweet 16 party taking place in Long Island; NY last night. 37 people were infected at the event at Miller Place Inn with 270 people being forced into self-isolation by authorities. The party broke the maximum capacity limit with 80 people attending it on the night. A maximum of 50 people were only allowed to attend parties in Suffolk County.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...irus-new-york/

Wow. The people who have attended this party last night are a big bunch of idiots. Think of the damage that you have done to yourselves & to others.

Who would be attending this type of party while the restrictions were in force.

lets get this straight though....so, they were 30 people over the limit...so, if they had 50 people at the event, this would not be a case of people being idiots?

do you really think that had there only been 50 people, the same issue would not have occurred? or do you think the 50 person limit itself is the problem?

[dublinbluray108]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

lets get this straight though....so, they were 30 people over the limit...so, if they had 50 people at the event, this would not be a case of people being idiots?

do you really think that had there only been 50 people, the same issue would not have occurred? or do you think the 50 person limit itself is the problem?

I must admit that while the looking at the Covid situation that occur in other countries. It's difficult to say things in a careful way about this incidents of this description. The people who are responsible for organizing the party should known about the consequences of their actions while living with this pandemic.

The numbers who attended this event in Long Island is probably also the biggest worry for me.

I think this event is very unusual in that the amount of people who turned up on the night were not able to foresee how the big the consequences were going to be for them & for other people around them. The authorities who found out the details of what actually happened for the duration of this evidently large event were probably also shocked at the number of infections occurring among all of the people at this venue.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

lets get this straight though....so, they were 30 people over the limit...so, if they had 50 people at the event, this would not be a case of people being idiots?

do you really think that had there only been 50 people, the same issue would not have occurred? or do you think the 50 person limit itself is the problem?

They're all idiots. From the people who set the rules, to the people who set up the party, to the kid spitting all over the cake as the candles go out.

At least the kid is 16.

Unless it was a HazMat suit themed party it (and others) shouldn't have happened.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by chip75

They're all idiots. From the people who set the rules, to the people who set up the party, to the kid spitting all over the cake as the candles go out.

At least the kid is 16.

Unless it was a HazMat suit themed party it (and others) shouldn't have happened.

thoughts on weddings?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

thoughts on weddings?

Those HazMat suits come in white.

[ltb2.0]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

thoughts on weddings?

The "in sickness and in health" thing will be proved true/false pretty fast.

[Anthony P]

I can't believe how much misinformation there is on here.

let's star with some basics

saying virus is a bit like saying animal, saying flu or coronavirus is like saying bird or mammal.

there are many different flus, just like there are many different bird species, there is H1N1, H3N2, H10N10...

once you catch one of those flu viruses you have immunity for 2-4 years, but the same way that a hummingbird trap is useless for an Ostrich and vice versa you are not imune to other flu viruses.

The powers that bee look at the rest of the world and decide what 3-4 flu viruses atre most likely to be problematic in the coming season and make a vaccine that will help with those flus.

Now human beings reproduce by a male and female having a kid that is generically a mix of both parents> Viruses don't work that way. Viruses are more like keys. A key can rust or brake but it can't have kids. If we need more keys the key needs to be put in a key copier and an exact match is made. It is the same with viruses. Covid-19 can't have covid-19 babies. To make more Covid-19 it needs to find a compatible cell (key copy machine) that it converts to make copies. like with key copying (or any copying) sometimes the process is not perfect and the viruses coming out are not perfect clones, then you have clads and subclades but they are still the same virus (i.e. some people are taller and some are shorter some are wider and some are thinner and we are not identical (in appearance or genetics) to one and other but we are all humans, except for identical twins that genetically are the same.)

when we talk about different strains of Covid-19 what we mean is the same why one can tell the difference between two none identical twins we can now tell the difference between two none perfectly cloned covid-19 viruses. We loo at different strains not because they are that important directly (just like individual humans are still human) but because they make the difference obvious. Because Covid-19 can last a long time in some individuals and a real short time in others, some people have "symptoms" even if it is gone from their body while others don't feel symptoms at al.... it si extremely hard to know if someone got re-infected and if a detailed test is done and both cultures match to the same strain of covid-19 it is impossible to say for certain that it was caught a second time.

Because we have seen in enough people two different strains (i.e. not clones of each other) at two different times we now know if there is any immunity it is extremely short lived 3-4. Now how many people have caught the same strain or how many caught a different one but it is unknown because samples (assuming they are taken) did not go to a lab for detailed analysis is unknown.

it is also a black or white scenario. You either have immunity or you don't so how many times we are sure it happens is not as important as it does happen. If person A takes all proper precautions, never catches it, good for him. If person B Catches it, gets better, takes all the right precautions and does not catch it again that is an other possibility. If person C catches it gets better but still does not take the right precautions and catches it again that is a third possibility. in all three scenarios A,B and C can catch it (again) if they don't it is because of their attitude and the precautions they and the people around them take that makes the difference between the scenarios.

As for that old lady that caught covide-19 twice I get why some people want to dismiss it by sticking their head in the sand. Yes she was old but she was old the first time she caught it, she had cancer but she had it the first time she caught it. OLD + Cancer+ covid-19 was not enough to kill her which is why she survived Covid-19 the first time. But Old+Cancer+Covid-19+Covid-19 was and that is not surprising but confirms the reality that catching Covid-19 even if you survive it is meaning less because unlike the flue where you are immune for years immunity is extremely short with covid-19 and unlike the flu where once you get better your body is better suited for the next time the damage done by covid-19 is additive (at best) and in her case that was what was needed to get her past the point of no return. Obviously that does not mean catching Covid-19 twice=death but it does mean that people need to take care and protect themselves and even if they caught it once and were asymptomatic they still need to take care of themselves and take proper precautions.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Obviously that does not mean catching Covid-19 twice=death but it does mean that people need to take care and protect themselves and even if they caught it once and were asymptomatic they still need to take care of themselves and take proper precautions.

and the recent reinfection news has other implications as well as raising more questions -
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...-trials-paused

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

As for that old lady that caught covide-19 twice I get why some people want to dismiss it by sticking their head in the sand. Yes she was old but she was old the first time she caught it, she had cancer but she had it the first time she caught it. OLD + Cancer+ covid-19 was not enough to kill her which is why she survived Covid-19 the first time. But Old+Cancer+Covid-19+Covid-19 was and that is not surprising but confirms the reality that catching Covid-19 even if you survive it is meaning less because unlike the flue where you are immune for years immunity is extremely short with covid-19 and unlike the flu where once you get better your body is better suited for the next time the damage done by covid-19 is additive (at best) and in her case that was what was needed to get her past the point of no return. Obviously that does not mean catching Covid-19 twice=death but it does mean that people need to take care and protect themselves and even if they caught it once and were asymptomatic they still need to take care of themselves and take proper precautions.

So why did I get attacked for taking that article seriously???

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by MrHT

So why did I get attacked for taking that article seriously???

because some people would rather stick their head in the sand. Haven't you been in this thread long enough or looked at the news at all?

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

because some people would rather stick their head in the sand. Haven't you been in this thread long enough or looked at the news at all?

I have. I try to watch the news everyday and read up on this virus as much as possible. Yet somehow, I still always say the wrong thing.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

the news

Covid-19 Cases On The Rise In At Least 38 States | NBC Nightly News - YouTube

and what’s this about 30 ? or more states in the “uncontrollable spread” category – https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I should question everything considering the inconsistencies we are getting on the news on a day to day basis. One day, it's like don't wear a mask. The next day, wear a mask. One day, close all businesses and keep people safe! The next day, don't close businesses completely since that will hurt us more than the virus. One day, a vaccine is coming in the Fall. The next day, a vaccine won't come until Spring to late 2021. One day, people are developing antibodies! The next day, oh no, people are getting reinfected.

Good Lord, the mixed news we've been getting is enough to drive me mad! No wonder why we can't get through this pandemic.

If there's been ONE consistency since the pandemic hit, it's been "wear a mask". There was one time, back in the late Spring, where I heard some kook say that he "heard masks don't help" but that's it.

[Uptight]

I went outside no more than 10 times in the last 180 days. Everytime I weared a mask I suffered greatly with oxygen deprivation. I couldn't breathe properly minutes after wearing one.

Then there was the fact it was impossible to adjust this mask (usually you put your fingers in front of them) while making sure bacteria would not be spread to it.

That's because people pretend they don't know that everything they touch instantly infect them (and COVID can stay alive for hours to weeks, depending on the surface! Meaning a supermarket with items touched by 600 hands/a day is probably more dangerous than a brothel or hospital...) and you need to reapply hand sanitizers multiple times a day, then there's the fact they are very likely less effective than washing/scrubbing your hands with water and soap for 30-60 seconds.

Moreover finally someone (the CDC) admitted the obvious, that coronavirus is AIRBORNE, meaning that it can be spread through aerosols, which “can linger in the air for minutes to hours” and travel farther than six feet.

So, it seems very odd to me that:

a) we are relying on cheap $1 masks instead of any HAZMAT biohazard suit, that covers the entire body and you can only breath through an apparatus (check the movie OUTBREAK, from 1995, starring Dustin Hoffman and Morgan Freeman, to see how they work).

b) Again about the masks, we are wearing them the entire day, on a daily basis, with all the disadvantages mentioned before.

And c) we are told to comply with this without questioning, despite all the evidences from the scientific community, and don't mention all these obvious facts.

I know that it would be impossible for most people to do anything looking like astronauts walking on the Moon. Yet why are we pretending the alternatives are in any way safe? Do we like being lied to?

You can catch this disease even if you spend most of your days like me and don't go out there. The few moments I did this I noticed it was extremely difficult to not get infected.

My face itches just being in an unknown environment, and of course you can't keep carrying hand sanitizers and dodging others and worrying about anything like a person suffering from OCD (Obsessive-compulsive disorder).

Even here at my house I don't act like a lunatic cleaning everything possible the entire day.

What I did as a measure was to never share any towel whatsoever and adjust my diet, supplements, and habits, but ever since this started I stopped going to the gym (will only return in January, and if they are still forcing me to use a mask I'll postpone again) and every day is spent at home.

This isn't healthy, no matter what I do to improve my situation. And there are reports saying that even if we have a vaccine available, some are still pushing for people to wear masks for the next 2 years.

Have we all gone mad and megalomaniacal? What makes you think that a virus that linger on the air for hours isn't going to easily penetrate the cheap mask you use (and can easily breathe through) and hits your body just like that:

Outbreak - It Keeps Coming In - YouTube

Do you think this makes you automatically safe?

Worse: some news reports correlate wearing or NOT WEARING masks with the rise or decline in new cases! Correlation does not imply causation!!!!!!!!!

The same people that call "quacks" the few that advocate for natural ways to heal our bodies and improve our health (because only Big Pharma knows best! right?) are the ones telling us to wear a mask no matter what.

I am sorry but I believe in science, strong evidences and more: the right to challenge one's findings, do some scrutiny (conveniently denied by those that only want one voice to be heard...) not authority figures and especially the big media that has lost all credibility they once had.

The same benefactors that urge us to wear a mask nowadays were the ones that told us to stay at home and don't go to a hospital unless COVID symptoms began to worsen.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

No, I'm not concerned nor do I think it will be a huge disaster. More are being identified because we're now testing more people that have already been infected; remember the results to some of the tests are delayed by up to a week. Over the next couple of weeks those numbers should start to taper off given more people are aware and the effect of social distancing.

Back in March, the above post was written to me. It is now 7 MONTHS later and the numbers are going up. In fact, states like Iowa, South Dakota, and Wisconsin are showing 24-48% daily infection rates!!!!

And somehow I was assured several months ago that the numbers would taper off and everyone here was in agreement.

So why aren't numbers going down as people here have predicted? I need an answer ASAP.

[Chaotic]

Because no one can predict the future?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Back in March, the above post was written to me. It is now 7 MONTHS later and the numbers are going up. In fact, states like Iowa, South Dakota, and Wisconsin are showing 24-48% daily infection rates!!!!

And somehow I was assured several months ago that the numbers would taper off and everyone here was in agreement.

So why aren't numbers going down as people here have predicted? I need an answer ASAP.

To foretell the future . . . look back to the past. Just Google: 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic. Your answer will be there . . . clear as glass.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Because no one can predict the future?

Well actually, I originally predicted it was going to be this bad and hence why I was panicking the way I did at the time. Yet people assured me it would be gone within months. Turns out as I was right.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

To foretell the future . . . look back to the past. Just Google: 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic. Your answer will be there . . . clear as glass.

My next prediction.... this will be worse than the Spanish Flu and will last longer than two years. You know why? Because we can't even get people to wear a damn mask!! Do people really think a vaccine is going to solve this? If we can't get people to do something simple like putting a mask on their face, how are we going to get millions and millions of people to get a needle stuck on their arm.... TWICE because there are talks that the vaccine will most likely require two doses!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by MrHT

Back in March, the above post was written to me. It is now 7 MONTHS later and the numbers are going up. In fact, states like Iowa, South Dakota, and Wisconsin are showing 24-48% daily infection rates!!!!

And somehow I was assured several months ago that the numbers would taper off and everyone here was in agreement.

So why aren't numbers going down as people here have predicted? I need an answer ASAP.

You’re listening to the wrong people.
In early March I, for one (and I wouldn’t be surprised if there were others) specifically said it was going to ‘get worse before it got better’, feel free to check my old posts. Not sure if I was made aware of this thread at the time, so I could have posted that on the multi-topic HDR thread. What irritates me is all the talk of ‘COVID fatigue’ (including by Tony, for that matter) as an excuse for people not being strict and compliant about public health measures for coronavirus.

You know what ‘COVID fatigue’ is? Losing or almost losing one’s family member hospitalized with the virus for months with the associated roller coaster rides of ups and downs in her condition and then dealing with it all over again with another family member in the same shape, or worse.

P.S.
Update on my brother-in-law:
O2 sat dropping
now with a pericardial effusion
BUN and Cr increasing, etc. and my wife and I can’t do a damn thing about it but pray for the best
bottom line – consider yourself lucky, remain vigilant and stop panicking

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

What irritates me is all the talk of ‘COVID fatigue’

as well as the proponents of the herd immunity concept, which any doctor worth his salt will tell you that the cost is waaaay too great for that being a ‘solution’