Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[Batman1980]

[Chaotic]

There are people hospitalized that are still calling the virus a hoax. They think they are sick from something else. Humans are stupid.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

And six of those seven people who died were from a nursing home, Maplecrest Rehabilitation Center.

Just sayin'.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

And six of those seven people who died were from a nursing home, Maplecrest Rehabilitation Center.

Just sayin'.

so I guess according to you they should not count?

Just sayin'

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isn't that the point actions have consequences. A person can assume they will be asymptotic and so they don't care, and they might be right. But that attitude helps propagate the virus and soon some people will die. It does not matter if it is the 6 in the nursing home or that other person

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

so I guess according to you they should not count?

Just sayin'

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isn't that the point actions have consequences. A person can assume they will be asymptotic and so they don't care, and they might be right. But that attitude helps propagate the virus and soon some people will die. It does not matter if it is the 6 in the nursing home or that other person

No, I never said that.

At some point you have to blame the lax procedures of the nursing home. They didn't even shut off visitation from outside visitors/relatives until two weeks after they found out an employee tested positive:

Central Maine - Madison nursing home violated federal requirements to prevent spread of COVID-19, documents say

In addition to violating multiple federal standards of care, they violated state standards of care.

Perhaps the nursing home and the nursing home employees should also have taken the virus seriously.

[Batman1980]

I know my uncle got it in his communal living village from an employee and had to be airlifted to a state hospital for treatment. The employee was subsequently suspended.

[Batman1980]

New Mexico idiots actually asked for a half-mask mandate so they don't have to wear them over their nose. Legislators said no. I have no words.

[Pondosinatra]

Study beginning in earnest on the damage done to 'healthy' young people who've recovered from Covid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-covid-cases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Yes they are; the blue disposable surgical masks that many people wear and that are easily available in many drugstores, Amazon, etc.
They come in boxes of 50 for between roughly $30 and $45.

if one chooses the surgical mask route, best get ASTM Level 3’s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNHN...mb_title#t=10s )

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I pray for him.

He coded last night, however, fortunately the code team apparently got to him and restarted his heart to NSR within 4 minutes.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Britbuffguy

At some point on Sunday, the USA will reach a quarter of a million people dead. And It feels like 95% of this country doesn't give a darn.

there are occasional altruistic acts, e.g. Anthony's prayers (? to St. Jude Thaddeus), member The Great Owl’s volunteering months ago for the Phase 2/3 trial for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and this – http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by ctujackbauer

Perhaps the nursing home and the nursing home employees should also have taken the virus seriously.

1) I agree. In march or earlier one could more easily use "no one knew anything" and explain such mistakes, but by August there is no excuse IMHO

2) let's say everyone involbd with the NH did everything right according to what you said that would have only spared 6 out of 7 that seventh persons fate would not have changed

3) You did not say if the virus reached th NH because an employee was at the wedding, a guest of the wedding went to visit a relative afterwards at the nursing home or if the person that brought it into the nursing was even at the wedding (maybe someone from the wedding visited the same shop or public transportation.... as the person that brought it into the NH). But does it really matter what ever it is? you can't build impenetrable walls around nursing homes where nothing and no one goes in and out of them. if the disease is out in the community it will eventually get in there.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Yes, see also Taiwan:
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/taiwan/

602 cases, 7 deaths. TOTAL.

Taiwan is also exemplary in the way they control this nasty virus by slowing it down to almost a complete halt, radically.

I don't know why WHO didn't mention it, and instead mentioned only Thailand.
* Also Vietnam is doing an excellent job, and Singapore, and few other countries.

Those countries don't need a vaccine; everything is under control by sheer will power, total dedication like John Wick...everyone.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

1) I agree. In march or earlier one could more easily use "no one knew anything" and explain such mistakes, but by August there is no excuse IMHO

2) let's say everyone involbd with the NH did everything right according to what you said that would have only spared 6 out of 7 that seventh persons fate would not have changed

3) You did not say if the virus reached th NH because an employee was at the wedding, a guest of the wedding went to visit a relative afterwards at the nursing home or if the person that brought it into the nursing was even at the wedding (maybe someone from the wedding visited the same shop or public transportation.... as the person that brought it into the NH). But does it really matter what ever it is? you can't build impenetrable walls around nursing homes where nothing and no one goes in and out of them. if the disease is out in the community it will eventually get in there.

Anthony, I think we might (maybe?) be on the same side on parts of this one.

I think we agree that the Maplecrest was playing with fire by allowing visitors and relatives five months into a by-now-known pandemic. That they introduced covid in the facility by an employee might have been inevitability. That they didn't do anything two weeks after an employee literally marked "yes" to every covid symptom on the check-in screening log is fairly insane, at least to me, even though I don't know the in-and-outs of nursing home operations.

I would add that some nursing homes are doing everything possible to keep this virus out, there was a thread on bogleheads about a nurisng home that restricted its employees from seeing their grandchildren because they were outside of the family unit: https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=316768 . I don't personally believe there are any easy answers for this situation.

[LordoftheRings]

Just a super short article I've read last night on Coronavirus ...
• https://ca.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27V0E4

[LordoftheRings]

An old video from last week, Thursday Nov. 12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jwB...ature=youtu.be

[LordoftheRings]

The logistics of transporting and distributing this Pfizer vaccine ...
• https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/11/15/...hallenge-.html

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

wife says..."

“this fine diagram in a paper recently submitted to the Annals of Internal Medicine by about 30 contributing co-authors from around the world for consideration for possible publication in an upcoming issue of AoIM, serves as a guideline for clinical trials and emphasizes the importance of proper timing by clinicians for the administration of various therapeutics” -



"let's go for lunch now, I'm hungry"

[LordoftheRings]

More ⚕ vaccine news ...

• https://theconversation.com/covid-19...ts-bets-149962

• https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...accine-status/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The logistics of transporting and distributing this Pfizer vaccine ...
• https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/11/15/...hallenge-.html

until then ^ , regarding bam-bam, there’s this potential lifesaver for well-informed forum members to pass onto your doctors if in the future, god forbid, you happen to test positive and begin to display symptoms -

https://www.fda.gov/media/143603/download
also this - https://www.covid19.lilly.com/bamlanivimab/hcp/access
for them as to the mechanics of access and ordering.

believe me (actually my wife ), thee above ^ is cutting edge info, and as so, many healthcare providers are yet unaware as to the specifics of qualification, access, etc. If you do get the virus, best be one of the first in line due to the shortage in supply of bamlanivimab (bam-bam).