Coronavirus (NO POLITICAL OR SOCIAL COMMENTARY PLEASE)

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

There's also -
Did you wear it properly, pretty sure a disturbing percentage of the population do not.
If you wear disposables, do you switch them frequently enough?
If you wear reusables, do you wash them every time you use them?
Circling back around to the first one because even in the workplace so many people use them incorrectly multiple times in a shift.
Are you wearing gaiters or bandanas, which I'm pretty sure don't actually protect anyone.
Also slightly related, are you still socially distancing as much as possible?
These are the things the people want to know.

All very important points for a serious survey about the efficiency of masks, not just wearing them @ 98% of the UK population.

* It's a huge challenge; many people don't watch all the right instructions on masks.
I'm afraid that we'll have to ride the wave as best we can.
We can only do our part, not all parts.

From what the experts are saying the next couple weeks won't be a pretty picture.
And inside those two weeks is Thanksgiving (US) ... & Black Friday ...

[LordoftheRings]

On vaccine (storage, distribution, etc.) ...

¤ https://unfoldtimes.com/the-worlds-n...ey-need-to-go/

[MifuneFan]

Pfizer's vaccine is definitely going to cause a problem as far as storage / distribution goes. It's temperature requirements are way too stringent. The Moderna vaccine is much better in this regard since it can be stored in a regular freezer for months, and even viable at room temperature for 12 hours.

I'd even be a bit concerned about whether I got a working vaccine if I got the Pfizer one.

[LordoftheRings]

Pfizer could be promising...95% effective and the stock market seems to like it.
It also brings optimism in the population; that's good.

[Hatter]

Social distancing and mask wearing indoors? Fine.
Leaders of states and provinces forcing lockdowns however can all rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. Any minute difference they think it makes is offset by increased suicide and domestic abuse cases as well as increased general financial hardship.

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Social distancing and mask wearing indoors? Fine.
Leaders of states and provinces forcing lockdowns however can all rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. Any minute difference they think it makes is offset by increased suicide and domestic abuse cases as well as increased general financial hardship.

Not to mention, people will just gather at each other's houses.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

really sorry to hear. My deepest condolences.

when my mom's cousin passed away at the end of August my cousin decide to have an online videoconference wake for him. People could not be with him but it was a nice way to gather everyone together for one last farewell.

The funeral home is setting up a live streaming and recording of the memorial service for us out-of-towners. Meanwhile, I completed my mission today.

[Spearmint701]

Originally Posted by Hatter

Social distancing and mask wearing indoors? Fine.
Leaders of states and provinces forcing lockdowns however can all rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. Any minute difference they think it makes is offset by increased suicide and domestic abuse cases as well as increased general financial hardship.

Something has to be done. People want to ignore it, and not do anything, then you are forcing the government's hand. They aren't, and shouldn't, just sit around and hope it gets better.

Also, masks and social distancing is more than fine, it's absolutely necessary.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dublinbluray108

Europe is putting together a detailed vaccine rollout strategy to begin in early 2021. Europe is releasing a total of 6 vaccines so far to rollout to their entire population including Pfizer, Moderna & CureVac. I don't know about the other 3 vaccines in this new rollout plan.

The FDA have also received the application from Pfizer & Moderna today to determine approval for emergency use authorisation in the U.S.

If all goes well; those 2 vaccines before the FDA should get approval in Mid-Dec.

That doesn't take away the fact that Penton-Man had lost his brother in law to Covid-19. My sympathy goes out to your friends & family. May he RIP.

Thanks Dublin. Tomorrow I plan to take my mind off it all by watching the Liverpool match. Tonight, my recording of the Spurs v. Man City. My wife will start Obama’s The Promised Land Audiobook.

Regarding the request for emergency use authorization of a COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer, Inc. in partnership with BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH., a positive recommendation from the independent scientific experts on FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee should and will be required before granting an emergency use authorization. This session is open to the public to bring as much transparency to the process as possible and hopefully encourage as many people as possible to get vaccinated -

Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

There's a LOT of people out there who still don't believe the virus is real (viewers of FOX news, mostly) and refuse to wear masks.

If they could watch what’s really going on in hospitals, there would be no more complacency -
https://www.wired.com/story/this-pandemic-must-be-seen/

[Chaotic]

If people still call it a hoax while dying (in South Dakota hospitals) nothing will convince them.

[Lee A Stewart]

They have been showing long lines at grocery stores here. So we have been hesitant to do any "fill-in shopping." At 7:15 I told my son: "let's take a ride." We are going to go first to Walmart than Dollar Tree. In the car we decided to reverse the order. If we see lines, we will just turn around and go home.

Dollar Tree is empty. Maybe 2 other people besides us. OK - get what we need (LOL and what we want) and schlep the packages out to the car. I look over at another store across the way (same mini-mall). Its Sprouts. Veggies, Fruits etc. We desperately need onions. No line. No one in the store but us. Grab $7 worth of onions. We will try Walmart later in the week.

On our way home we pass a Target. with a HUGE line.

SUCKERS!

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

They have been showing long lines at grocery stores here. So we have been hesitant to do any "fill-in shopping." At 7:15 I told my son: "let's take a ride." We are going to go first to Walmart than Dollar Tree. In the car we decided to reverse the order. If we see lines, we will just turn around and go home.

Dollar Tree is empty. Maybe 2 other people besides us. OK - get what we need (LOL and what we want) and schlep the packages out to the car. I look over at another store across the way (same mini-mall). Its Sprouts. Veggies, Fruits etc. We desperately need onions. No line. No one in the store but us. Grab $7 worth of onions. We will try Walmart later in the week.

On our way home we pass a Target. with a HUGE line.

SUCKERS!

You should consider using the Walmart phone app to order most of your grocery needs. They send you a message that the order is ready to pickup and you park in the designated pickup area. They put the bags in the trunk or rear of your SUV.

My wife has been grocery shopping this way every week since May, and it’s been a smooth experience. They tell you in advance if they are OOS or substituting, you can then adjust or refuse items as required.

We still go into Sprouts for a lot of produce due to exceptional prices and high quality. But we’re probably getting 85-90% from Walmart overall.
Funny thing is we didn’t shop for groceries there until this catastrophe happened.

[ctujackbauer]

Originally Posted by gkolb

You should consider using the Walmart phone app to order most of your grocery needs. They send you a message that the order is ready to pickup and you park in the designated pickup area. They put the bags in the trunk or rear of your SUV.

My wife has been grocery shopping this way every week since May, and it’s been a smooth experience. They tell you in advance if they are OOS or substituting, you can then adjust or refuse items as required.

We still go into Sprouts for a lot of produce due to exceptional prices and high quality. But we’re probably getting 85-90% from Walmart overall.
Funny thing is we didn’t shop for groceries there until this catastrophe happened.

I've read that it's different in other areas, but Walmart grocery pickup broke down in the March/April grocery shortages.

People would buy paper products, rice, beans, meat, or other high-demand groceries and then there wouldn't be anything when they picked them up, even with order confirmations and everything.

It works in good times, but in interesting times... not so much. I have read though that Walmart kind of revamped their pickup so where if you reserve an item and checkout, that its sequestered away and locked in. At least it was that way for the big TVs on sale for the weekly Black Friday sales.

[Pondosinatra]

Youngest victim today in Alberta was in her 20's...

[MrHT]

I'm popping in here after my one month hiatus from this thread to express my complete shock and concern for the staggering number of new cases over these past few weeks. We are at the point where some states have hit a 50% infection rate!!!!

Now, I'm going to assume the best in people and hope that most, if not everyone, are wearing masks, socially distancing and only going out for essential purposes. If that's the case, then I'm in complete amazement at how the infection rate has gotten as high as it is today! We are 8 months into this pandemic and things have gotten worse instead of better. I guess we're completely deadlocked on a solution other than hoping that the vaccine will completely solve this. Though at this point, I'm not optimistic that it will and this may be worse, much worse, than the Spanish Flu!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by MrHT

I'm popping in here after my one month hiatus from this thread to express my complete shock and concern for the staggering number of new cases over these past few weeks. We are at the point where some states have hit a 50% infection rate!!!!

Now, I'm going to assume the best in people and hope that most, if not everyone, are wearing masks, socially distancing and only going out for essential purposes. If that's the case, then I'm in complete amazement at how the infection rate has gotten as high as it is today! We are 8 months into this pandemic and things have gotten worse instead of better. I guess we're completely deadlocked on a solution other than hoping that the vaccine will completely solve this. Though at this point, I'm not optimistic that it will and this may be worse, much worse, than the Spanish Flu!

▪ https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

▪ https://theconversation.com/compare-...diction-138895

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[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

I don't understand how this works. Every day that passes, the number goes higher and higher - are these actual new cases every day? This means that hundreds of thousands of people are going out and getting tested daily. That sounds like a mobilization. Many people I've spoken with at work have no plans of getting a test and some have never even been tested. I, myself, only got a test just a few weeks ago and I never would've gone for one if it hadn't been because my dad flew in from where he lives to visit me (against my wishes). There's a LOT of people out there who still don't believe the virus is real (viewers of FOX news, mostly) and refuse to wear masks. So if this is a mobilization, municipalities and local governments are doing something right for a change.

yes those are "new" cases. technically some of them it can be people that caught it months ago, got better and caught it again but not someone tthat got tested, got a positive and then got tested again the next day and the day after...

as for mobilization and good news, no it is not. The natural caurse for a virus is for it to grow exponentially until there is no one left to infect with (from the perspective of the virus) good if before it reaches that point the people that caught early are immunologically susceptible again.

It takes a lot of effort and luck for the new case curb not to be as steep even more so to be flatten and even more so for a decline.

[Batman1980]

Protests in Huntington Beach as people are unhappy with the 10 PM-5 AM curfew.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

They have been showing long lines at grocery stores here. So we have been hesitant to do any "fill-in shopping." At 7:15 I told my son: "let's take a ride." We are going to go first to Walmart than Dollar Tree. In the car we decided to reverse the order. If we see lines, we will just turn around and go home.

Dollar Tree is empty. Maybe 2 other people besides us. OK - get what we need (LOL and what we want) and schlep the packages out to the car. I look over at another store across the way (same mini-mall). Its Sprouts. Veggies, Fruits etc. We desperately need onions. No line. No one in the store but us. Grab $7 worth of onions. We will try Walmart later in the week.

On our way home we pass a Target. with a HUGE line.

SUCKERS!

I (or anyone in my household) have not stepped into a store for groceries (but we did go to a small local bakery for cakes a few times) since this thing started everything has been bought from two grocery stores one that charges 3$ for pickup and the other 8$ for deliver (4$ for pickup but I always get stuff delivered)