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Originally Posted by The Great Owl
Inflammation is a natural reaction of the body's defenses against a threat. The justification for the NSAIDS warning is that people who are sick with coronavirus do not want to take something that reduces that inflammation and underscores the body's inherent defense mechanisms.
I have taken Tylenol instead of Ibuprofen anyway for any issues during the past several months since my colon surgery, since I figured that a blood thinner medication would not be a good idea after having a 12-inch surgical wound in my abdomen. I'll continue with Tylenol if I get hit by this virus.
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I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that at least some of the data is suggesting this virus doesn't "kill" anything. It's the body's RESPONSE (overactive immune system) that does the killing. Thus, there is NOTHING to "stop" with the body's immune system. The virus itself may be relatively harmless (as all normal cold viruses are in and of themselves; the misery you get from "colds" are your body's response to the virus that goes way beyond developing antibodies but trying to flush bacteria out that literally don't exist).
Thus, at least some of the sources I've read suggest it may be the triggering response of the immune system that is probably killing these people and if that's true, it seems to me that you'd want LESS of an immune response (so you don't catch pneumonia by your weakened immune system or by the swelling/inflammation caused by the overactive immune system going into hyperdrive (like with allergic shock reactions) against a virus that doesn't actually do all that much.
Thus, what I'm saying is that if indeed this is just a cold virus with a penchant for triggering massive over responses in some humans, then purposely NOT using anti-inflammatory drugs might be the wrong course of action. I've seen some question before whether anti-inflammatory drugs impede natural healing or not and I've never seen an adequate "proven" answer so a few French doctors drawing that conclusion seems like a reach to me. Their advice is for people at home. I hope it's the right advice. I'd hate to find out later on the advice ended up killing more people, not less.
That's why I said I'd like to see some actual data, not just advice on the news. Doctors don't always get it right. It took 13 doctors before I found one that figured out all I needed was a prescription level mucous thinner and decongestant to get rid of the pain (and fluid build up in my cheeks) I had in the corner of my left eye when I blinked. The CT specialists missed it because it wasn't an infection, just fluid leaking into my cheek instead of my nose that caused back-pressure and then hyper-sensitive skin by my eye. An allergy doctor figured it out after 2.5 years of suffering and seeing 13 prior doctors! I had 2 CT scans done by two different doctors over that period and BOTH told me it was 100% NOT a sinus issue! These are the specialists that should have known better. I then went to eye doctors who took the CT specialists diagnosis as gospel and tried drops and even burning out a little white eyelash in the corner (OUCH) to no effect.
Yet at least one day I had no pain in 2.5 years. That was another clue (conditions were right that some drained out on its own that day). The allergy doctor told me to press one the opposite side on the side of my nose and snort. All kinds of fluid shot out of my cheek into my nose like a squirt gun! He said I had a sinus problem and that specialists are trained to looks for known patterns. Anything that requires some THINKING often goes right past them. In other words, some people that are trained to memorize drugs, patterns, pathogens, techniques are VERY good at that, but that doesn't make them good troubleshooters or creative thinkers.
How many times have you heard about doctors cutting off the wrong limb or any number of lawyer cases on the TV? They are not gods and they are not perfect and after suffering for 2.5 years on that one issue alone (I now have a loose lower rib after a horrible cold/cough I had two years ago and the doctors keep looking at my spine, finding nothing on the MRI and saying they don't know what to do even though I keep telling them my chiropractor said I have costochondritis (I can even feel the lower rib move slightly when I push on it) and that it's not getting better on its own. The next stage would be to remove the bits of the rib that are bumping into nerves near the spine, but I can't convince the specialist that is what is wrong. He can't see it in a scan and thinks a cold isn't sufficient enough to knock a rib out of the cartilage even though another guy at my work place had the same cold and knocked one into his lung and had to have surgery to keep it from cutting off the air to that lung. He still doesn't believe me or at least think he can do anything.
THAT is what you're up against in the medical field. You might have to go through a dozen or more doctors before you find one that's seen something before and knows what to do. It's time consuming, expensive and painful. I've lost most of my faith in doctors as "experts" as a result. We're still living in the dark ages of medicine. This is not a belief against science like climate deniers or whatever. It's the simple fact that many doctors are damn near incompetent outside very basic common things (broken bones, the flu, etc.). We need more troubleshooter types in these fields and less people who just memorize books, IMO.
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